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Are demonic possessions just mental illness?

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Q: In watching “The Chosen” I noted a couple of demoniac episodes were included, as are in fact depicted in Scripture. No CGI effects were done to show the demons either going in or coming out of the victims, making the healed person seem to simply be someone with personality disorders. What does the Church say today about demons? Are they real or were they ancient superstitions and misidentifications of what would today be called “mental issues?”

A: The Church teaches that demonic possession, while rare, is certainly something that can happen.

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I forget where I read it, but a few years ago there was a comment by a New York based priest and exorcist (if I remember rightly) that if someone is floating up around the ceiling, you've got a bit more on your hands than a bloke with an inferiority complex (or words to that effect).
 
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Q: In watching “The Chosen” I noted a couple of demoniac episodes were included, as are in fact depicted in Scripture. No CGI effects were done to show the demons either going in or coming out of the victims, making the healed person seem to simply be someone with personality disorders. What does the Church say today about demons? Are they real or were they ancient superstitions and misidentifications of what would today be called “mental issues?”

A: The Church teaches that demonic possession, while rare, is certainly something that can happen.

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As a Christian, one doesn't have a right to question is demons oppression real. Think of the question like this one.....you don't have a right to ask was Jesus really born of a virgin. You can ask why was Jesus born of a virgin. You can ask when did this happen? You can ask where did this happen? But you cannot ask did it really happen. What the Bible says about this OTHER subject is and the Bible describes very clearly there are spirits of affliction and oppression that need to be cast out or bound.
 
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Q: In watching “The Chosen” I noted a couple of demoniac episodes were included, as are in fact depicted in Scripture. No CGI effects were done to show the demons either going in or coming out of the victims, making the healed person seem to simply be someone with personality disorders. What does the Church say today about demons? Are they real or were they ancient superstitions and misidentifications of what would today be called “mental issues?”

A: The Church teaches that demonic possession, while rare, is certainly something that can happen.

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No, demon possession isn't the same as mental illness.
 
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When I was a boy, reading about the (rare in those days) belief of atheism, I first heard the argument against God as a "god of the gaps". Meaning, atheists concluded that people are inclined to attribute to a "god", an idea needed wherever there was a "gap" in human knowledge. And since human knowledge was ever-increasing, the gaps in explanations of things was ever-decreasing, and so one day (soon, they conjectured) men would be able to explain everything and "God" would be irrelevant, unnecessary and "faith" would soon disappear.

This is man's ever-increasing arrogance, but it explains several things: 1) as time moves on, the possibility increases of total global destruction of all life by weapons of mass destruction (nuclear, chemical, biological, genetic, whatever), and 2) God is merciful: God sent the Incarnate Son to enable the making of all things new. The Cross was necessary! Our Cross is therefore a privilege, an honor, a sign of God's favor and vocation. We await, with supernatural Hope, a new heavens and a new earth where righteousness dwells, and reigns.

But meanwhile, "progressives" continue to try to explain everything in natural, material terms because their horizons are confined to the natural, the material, the reasoned. They cannot see the unseeable, or hear that which may be heard in silence. They are too busy to find the space of rest, where learning can begin.
 
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I’ve always wondered if many of the demons in the New Testament were actually mental illness or epilepsy.
If the Bible reads 'demon', it was a demon.

The authors of the Bible were not confused.
There were inspired by God to write what they wrote.
But many times, they also saw with their own eyes, and were given the spiritual discernment from God, to discern the presence of demons.

So, where the Bible reads 'demon', it was a demon ... and not mental illness.
 
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If I remember this story correctly, in the book by Malachi Martin, "Hostage to the Devil,"
a Jewish psychiatrist didn't believe in such things, and when his patient's brothers finally
sought an exorcism for their sister, the doctor insisted that he be allowed into the room
when the exorcism would be performed. The priest finally agreed, but insisted that the
psychiatrist not to speak. When the exorcism began, the demon immediately turned to the
psychiatrist. The doctor, violated his promise and tried to argue with the demon, but the
demon was more cleaver and falsely revealed that the doctor's mother, who had passed away,
was with him in Hell. The psychiatrist's ended up having a mental breakdown and the demon
turned on the priest and physically attacked him. The priest ended up in the hospital for weeks,
but afterwards, he returned to the girl and performed the exorcism successfully.

The book, "Hostage to the Devil," by Malachi Martine has five documented stories by the
Church of exorcisms. It's a good read and usually available in the public library. However,
it will keep you up at night. :D
 
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I forget where I read it, but a few years ago there was a comment by a New York based priest and exorcist (if I remember rightly) that if someone is floating up around the ceiling, you've got a bit more on your hands than a bloke with an inferiority complex (or words to that effect).
Yeah, no kidding, LOL! :)

Far more common in these cases is the fact that the demon possessing the victim will know things about people---the priest, the relatives of the victim, doctors, visitors, all sorts of people, that not even the FBI, CIA, NSA, KGB, and all other assorted intelligence agencies could possibly know. Demons hang around the people they target, and they observe who comes into contact with them. Since we can't see the demon, we don't know that they're even in the room, unless we're spiritually sensitive enough to pick up a feeling that something just isn't "right". Then, the demon starts looking into those people; what they say to other people, what they say to themselves when they're alone, what they do when they're by themselves.

Thus, when the very well-educated and erudite psychologist (whom the demon has been secretly observing for weeks) starts to explain to the victim's relative that the victim only has a psychological aberration in his brain, the demon, speaking through the victim, will say, "Oh, you're a fine one to talk---you have 350,000 pornographic images on your personal laptop, and every night when you're allegedly "working", you're locked in your den masturbating over them, sometimes upwards of five times a night! Talk about aberrations! Does your wife know about this, by the way? But don't worry: her needs are met by Joey the yard man; he comes over to cut the grass three times a week, and he gets a little on the side from the little woman!"

This will cause all the blood to drain out of the psychologist's face as he realizes the most closely-guarded secret of his entire life has just been exposed in public for all the world to hear. No one could possibly know that. No one. But the demon does. And more, and worse. And the demon uses this knowledge to discomfit anyone trying to help the victim whom the demon is inhabiting, so they won't be able to cast the demon out in some way. There's a scene in "The Exorcist" where Father Merrin tells Father Karras, "No matter what the demon says, Damien, do not listen!" The demon will try to confuse or upset an exorcist, to reduce the exorcist's effectiveness.

And, of course, there are also the more blatant signs that simply cannot be explained by medical science, such as bloody scratches appearing on the victim's skin for no reason, obscene messages written in Babylonic cuneiform that the victim has no fluency in---and which totally disappear the next day; or the cases of (as Bob mentioned) possessed kids walking up walls or crawling around on the ceiling like house flies. That specific phenomenon was documented in the LaToya Ammons case in Gary, Indiana, when one of her children in an exam room at the hospital walked backwards up a wall, flipped over the head of an observer, and landed on his feet. Both the registered nurse and the social worker who saw this testified that what the boy did was physically impossible---there is no way he could have done what he did naturally. The examining physician initially attributed Ammon's story to "delusions of ghost in the home" and "hallucinations", but changed his tune after the boy walked backwards up the wall.

The book, "Hostage to the Devil," by Malachi Martine has five documented stories by the
Church of exorcisms. It's a good read and usually available in the public library. However,
it will keep you up at night. :D
I have that book. It's good, but it pulls no punches. You have to be in very, very good spiritual health to read that book. I couldn't make it through the last chapter, and still haven't read it---it was too disturbing.
 
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Q: In watching “The Chosen” I noted a couple of demoniac episodes were included, as are in fact depicted in Scripture. No CGI effects were done to show the demons either going in or coming out of the victims, making the healed person seem to simply be someone with personality disorders. What does the Church say today about demons? Are they real or were they ancient superstitions and misidentifications of what would today be called “mental issues?”

A: The Church teaches that demonic possession, while rare, is certainly something that can happen.

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Saying it's just a mental illness is another example of confirmation bias.

Anyone who's experienced it is then labelled as having a mental illness, so the cycle goes.
 
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I have it all backwards. I often think that many perceived mental illnesses are actually demonic oppression/possession.
No, you don't necessarily have it all backwards.
In many cases, you may be right.
 
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I have it all backwards. I often think that many perceived mental illnesses are actually demonic oppression/possession.
I think you're right; in fact, I agree with you, 100%.

I have known about cases where some guy has gone completely and totally off the deep end---whereas before, he may have been relatively well-adjusted, after investigating "haunted" houses or fooling with a Ouija board or attending spiritism meetings, he suddenly goes weirdo, starts acting erratically, starts dressing in an extreme "Goth" manner, getting tattoos all over his face, starts muttering to himself in odd languages, suddenly gets an obsession with death, or darkness, or violence, and just generally turns into a real freaky, scary guy that makes people very uncomfortable to be around.

And that's the demon: the guy himself is just the host for this malevolent spirit. And if you persuade this guy to go to a doctor and get checked out, the doctor will determine that the change in his behavior has to be due to some illicit drug he's ingested, or to some form of psychoneuropathy. Never mind that the guy has never touched drugs in his life, or that there is literally no history of mental illness in his entire family; his problems have to be psychological, because to admit that this poor guy might be under the control of a demonic force flies in the face of everything which the good doctor believes in, has trained in, has observed and treated and practiced, for his entire life.

Sometimes, the doctor/psychologist/police detective/what-have-you will experience something while dealing with these people that will make him change his mind, but those cases are few and far between. I heard of one case, though, where a psychiatrist was invited to observe an exorcism ritual, and he went along out of curiosity, treating the exorcist with the air of somebody humoring a fool, and what he saw during the exorcism so blew his mind that he came away totally rattled. When he related his experience later, he shuddered and shook describing it; he later gave up his practice and ended up more or less hiding out in his house, rarely venturing outside. The idea of such a malevolent, evil presence which he could not physically see being able to hurl objects around a room, produce vomit-inducing smells, speak with two or more voices coming out of the same mouth at once, levitate the victim into mid-air, and so on, had utterly destroyed his well-ordered worldview, and he was literally afraid to go out and interact with the world. But when someone mentioned attending a church and praying about the situation, he scoffed, since he was a rock-solid atheist. The idea of believing in God was too much for his naturalistic mind, but he was terrified of encountering another demonic presence, which he supposedly didn't believe in, either. (shrug) A sad situation. :(
 
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