The Lord's eyes are too pure to look on evil. Really?

Think of YHWH looking upon Jesus on the cross, cursed, hung upon a tree. 2 Corinthians 5:21. Did God look upon Him?

GoldenKingGaze said:

Think of YHWH looking upon Jesus on the cross, cursed, hung upon a tree. 2 Corinthians 5:21. Did God look upon Him?

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Jesus was not literally cursed. He willingly chose to sacrificially shed his blood on the cross to end the curses that were embodied in the first covenant as punishment for when this first covenant was transgressed. Jesus fulfilled/finished/ended this first covenant by his perfect sacrificial death on the cross, and he ratified his new everlasting covenant by this same death.

Jesus cannot literally become sin. Jesus is perfect. Jesus, as both God and man, did willingly choose to sacrificially die on the cross in order to be the one mediator between God and man so that our sins could be forgiven and thereby we be reconciled with God.

Jan001 said:

Jesus was not literally cursed. He willingly chose to sacrificially shed his blood on the cross to end the curses that were embodied in the first covenant as punishment for when this first covenant was transgressed. Jesus fulfilled/finished/ended this first covenant by his perfect sacrificial death on the cross, and he ratified his new everlasting covenant by this same death.

Jesus cannot literally become sin. Jesus is perfect. Jesus, as both God and man, did willingly choose to sacrificially die on the cross in order to be the one mediator between God and man so that our sins could be forgiven and thereby we be reconciled with God.

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Deuteronomy 21:22-23 NKJV
22 “If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God.

The curse of the human sinful nature which Paul says lives in our bodies, in Romans, in sum total, past, present and future was in Jesus, so that by the time He said, it is finished, He had resisted sin pressure even to death remaining obedient to the Father and Spirit. Sin's power is finished and can be washed away, replaced by righteousness through Jesus' abundant blood. As when sprinkled as from hyssop. Psalm 51.

Jesus and His blood overcame. Like an infection, the blood remembers immunity.

Hebrews 13:20 mentions the Father using Jesus' sacred blood to make the power of the resurrection. Romans 8 says this can quicken our mortal bodies in regards to sin, for salvation.

Jesus was willing, of course, it was a plan and He obeyed. That decision and overcoming power is in Jesus' blood. Replacing Adamic blood with Jesus perfect sinless and powerful blood. Our sin is in our blood, for now.

And Jesus set the example of willingly dying the seed, being on the cross and laying down His life in death, and coming under the power of death, He overcame it. Done in my place and yours.

tonychanyt said:

No, not exactly. Habakkuk complained in 1:


Habakkuk was frustrated and venting. Gill explained:


Proverbs 15:


Habakkuk wasn't making a doctrinal statement that God literally could not see evil. Rather, he's expressing his frustration and confusion about why God, who was holy and pure, seemed to be tolerating wickedness. It's a lament or complaint to God, not a theological pronouncement about God's limitations.

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I agree, and add that examining the context as Gill does here might be called "reading between the lines." Of course, there is a good way to do it and a bad way - the bad way of "reading between the lines" is to add meaning that doesn't fit the context. People do it all the time, even pastors and elders who should know better.

Another example of "reading between the lines" is an obvious one, to those who actually understand scriptural meaning - "Thou shalt not kill." Ignorant people think it means "don't kill anyone for any reason," so they think capital punishment is wrong, or if they are in the Army they are a "conscientious objector," or other such nonsense. Anyone who knows the whole of scripture and believes in the God who has integrity, is consistent, and doesn't contradict Himself, knows intuitively that "thou shalt not kill" means "don't kill for an evil purpose." IOW, don't commit murder. And anyone knowing the law knows that justifiable homicide is not murder, killing an enemy in a just war is not murder, and killing in self-defense or defense of another is not murder. So it becomes obvious that "thou shalt not kill" does NOT mean "anyone for any reason." It becomes necessary to "read between the lines" in cases like this, to understand what it is actually saying.

And another example is "thou shalt not commit adultery." Examining the whole of scripture makes it obvious that it means don't commit any act of sexual immorality, whether it be adultery, incest, beastiality, homosexuality, even mental sex, or anything that God says is detestable or unnatural. Unfortunately many people have corrupted the meaning by claiming this command only prohibits a person from having sex outside a marriage contract. Such people have a rude awakening for them in the day of judgment.

I could write a book of hundreds (possibly thousands) of examples like this - but there are a few commentaries that may address some of them. I'm writing this for the benefit of anyone that might read this post.

GoldenKingGaze said:

Deuteronomy 21:22-23 NKJV
22 “If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God.

The curse of the human sinful nature which Paul says lives in our bodies, in Romans, in sum total, past, present and future was in Jesus, so that by the time He said, it is finished, He had resisted sin pressure even to death remaining obedient to the Father and Spirit. Sin's power is finished and can be washed away, replaced by righteousness through Jesus' abundant blood. As when sprinkled as from hyssop. Psalm 51.

Jesus and His blood overcame. Like an infection, the blood remembers immunity.

Hebrews 13:20 mentions the Father using Jesus' sacred blood to make the power of the resurrection. Romans 8 says this can quicken our mortal bodies in regards to sin, for salvation.

Jesus was willing, of course, it was a plan and He obeyed. That decision and overcoming power is in Jesus' blood. Replacing Adamic blood with Jesus perfect sinless and powerful blood. Our sin is in our blood, for now.

And Jesus set the example of willingly dying the seed, being on the cross and laying down His life in death, and coming under the power of death, He overcame it. Done in my place and yours.

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If we sin grievous sins after we are saved and do not repent before death, we are condemned to hell for eternity. 1 John 5:16

Hebrews 10:25-31
We should not stay away from our assembly, as is the custom of some, but encourage one another, and this all the more as you see the day drawing near.
26 If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who rejects the law of Moses is put to death without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Do you not think that a much worse punishment is due the one who has contempt for the Son of God, considers unclean the covenant-blood by which he was consecrated, and insults the spirit of grace? 30 We know the one who said:
“Vengeance is mine; I will repay,”
and again:
“The Lord will judge his people.”
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Stern Hyperbolic Warning:

Hebrews 6:1-7 Therefore, let us leave behind the basic teaching about Christ and advance to maturity, without laying the foundation all over again: repentance from dead works and faith in God, 2 instruction about baptisms and laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. 3 And we shall do this, if only God permits. 4 For it is impossible in the case of those who have once been enlightened and tasted the heavenly gift and shared in the holy Spirit 5 and tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to bring them to repentance again, since they are recrucifying the Son of God for themselves and holding him up to contempt. 7 Ground that has absorbed the rain falling upon it repeatedly and brings forth crops useful to those for whom it is cultivated receives a blessing from God.

Jan001 said:

If we sin grievous sins after we are saved and do not repent before death, we are condemned to hell for eternity. 1 John 5:16

Hebrews 10:25-31
We should not stay away from our assembly, as is the custom of some, but encourage one another, and this all the more as you see the day drawing near.
26 If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who rejects the law of Moses is put to death without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Do you not think that a much worse punishment is due the one who has contempt for the Son of God, considers unclean the covenant-blood by which he was consecrated, and insults the spirit of grace? 30 We know the one who said:
“Vengeance is mine; I will repay,”
and again:
“The Lord will judge his people.”
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Stern Hyperbolic Warning:

Hebrews 6:1-7 Therefore, let us leave behind the basic teaching about Christ and advance to maturity, without laying the foundation all over again: repentance from dead works and faith in God, 2 instruction about baptisms and laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. 3 And we shall do this, if only God permits. 4 For it is impossible in the case of those who have once been enlightened and tasted the heavenly gift and shared in the holy Spirit 5 and tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to bring them to repentance again, since they are recrucifying the Son of God for themselves and holding him up to contempt. 7 Ground that has absorbed the rain falling upon it repeatedly and brings forth crops useful to those for whom it is cultivated receives a blessing from God.

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Hebrews 6 and 10 are about the same thing. The church addressed here had all the gifts and powers to taste, and if they went on to rejoin the party of the Pharisees... they would be agreeing Jesus deserved the death penalty. This means we should do more than taste the graces and we should prioritise overcoming sin bonds and habits and hidden faults early, rather than rush to the mission field.

The Lord's eyes are too pure to look on evil. Really?​

That means to ever accept it.

Jan001 said:

If we sin grievous sins after we are saved and do not repent before death, we are condemned to hell for eternity. 1 John 5:16

Hebrews 10:25-31
We should not stay away from our assembly, as is the custom of some, but encourage one another, and this all the more as you see the day drawing near.
26 If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who rejects the law of Moses is put to death without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Do you not think that a much worse punishment is due the one who has contempt for the Son of God, considers unclean the covenant-blood by which he was consecrated, and insults the spirit of grace? 30 We know the one who said:
“Vengeance is mine; I will repay,”
and again:
“The Lord will judge his people.”
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Stern Hyperbolic Warning:

Hebrews 6:1-7 Therefore, let us leave behind the basic teaching about Christ and advance to maturity, without laying the foundation all over again: repentance from dead works and faith in God, 2 instruction about baptisms and laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. 3 And we shall do this, if only God permits. 4 For it is impossible in the case of those who have once been enlightened and tasted the heavenly gift and shared in the holy Spirit 5 and tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to bring them to repentance again, since they are recrucifying the Son of God for themselves and holding him up to contempt. 7 Ground that has absorbed the rain falling upon it repeatedly and brings forth crops useful to those for whom it is cultivated receives a blessing from God.

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The warnings in Hebrews are actually about failing to trust in Christ, since all our obedience to the laws of God begins and ends with faith. So your statement begs the question: who are the "we" you are talking about? I'll reiterate your quote: "If we sin grievous sins after we are saved..." - your statement has an inherent contradiction: if a person is saved from his sins, then he's not going to commit any grievous sin, according to 1 John 3:9. So your statement assumes that a person "saved" is not saved from sin. Which means your understanding of the gospel is suspect. If we are "saved completely" as Hebrews clearly states Jesus is able to do, then how can we commit sin we are saved from? John is explicit in saying that anyone continuing in sin is of the devil (1 Jn. 3:8). So if someone continues to commit "grievous sin" without repentance, they have not been saved from anything at all. The gospel speaks life only to those being saved; but to the perishing, it speaks death.

tdidymas said:

The warnings in Hebrews are actually about failing to trust in Christ, since all our obedience to the laws of God begins and ends with faith. So your statement begs the question: who are the "we" you are talking about? I'll reiterate your quote: "If we sin grievous sins after we are saved..." - your statement has an inherent contradiction: if a person is saved from his sins, then he's not going to commit any grievous sin, according to 1 John 3:9.

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All of the following are examples of grievous sins:

1 Corinthians 6:8-10
Instead, you inflict injustice and cheat, and this to brothers. 9 Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Matthew 10:37
“Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;


When we are first saved by baptism according to Jesus' command in Matthew 25:18-20, Adam's sin, which we inherited, and all our own personal sins on our souls at that time are completely forgiven. However, this baptism does not forgive any of our future grievous sins, which is what many people believe.

To receive forgiveness for grievous sins committed after baptism, these sins must be confessed in order to be forgiven.

Hebrews 10:26-31
If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who rejects the law of Moses is put to death without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Do you not think that a much worse punishment is due the one who has contempt for the Son of God, considers unclean the covenant-blood by which he was consecrated, and insults the spirit of grace? 30 We know the one who said:

“Vengeance is mine; I will repay,”
and again:

“The Lord will judge his people.”
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Jan001 said:

All of the following are examples of grievous sins:

1 Corinthians 6:8-10
Instead, you inflict injustice and cheat, and this to brothers. 9 Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Matthew 10:37
“Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;


When we are first saved by baptism according to Jesus' command in Matthew 25:18-20, Adam's sin, which we inherited, and all our own personal sins on our souls at that time are completely forgiven. However, this baptism does not forgive any of our future grievous sins, which is what many people believe.

To receive forgiveness for grievous sins committed after baptism, these sins must be confessed in order to be forgiven.

Hebrews 10:26-31
If we sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins 27 but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who rejects the law of Moses is put to death without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Do you not think that a much worse punishment is due the one who has contempt for the Son of God, considers unclean the covenant-blood by which he was consecrated, and insults the spirit of grace? 30 We know the one who said:

“Vengeance is mine; I will repay,”
and again:

“The Lord will judge his people.”
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

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I guess you didn't get my point. But in response to this, if a person doesn't heed the warnings and goes headlong in the grievous sins you point out, then we can safely say they don't fear God, and therefore are not born again. The Corinthians are explicitly told this - "shall not inherit the kingdom of God" means they aren't born again and have no inheritance in Christ. Notice he says "practices," which means to continue down that path. If anyone committed those sins out of ignorance and repents at what Paul wrote, that is evidence they belong to Christ. This is what 1 Jn. 3:9 means. So if you still don't get my point, then I'm done here.

tdidymas said:

I guess you didn't get my point. But in response to this, if a person doesn't heed the warnings and goes headlong in the grievous sins you point out, then we can safely say they don't fear God, and therefore are not born again. The Corinthians are explicitly told this - "shall not inherit the kingdom of God" means they aren't born again and have no inheritance in Christ. Notice he says "practices," which means to continue down that path. If anyone committed those sins out of ignorance and repents at what Paul wrote, that is evidence they belong to Christ. This is what 1 Jn. 3:9 means. So if you still don't get my point, then I'm done here.

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To be born again refers to the baptism by water and Spirit that is commanded by Jesus Christ in Matthew 28:18-20.

This baptism by water and Spirit is a one-time event. A person can fall away from Christ after becoming born again/baptized. And yes, these fallen-away sinners do not fear God even though they were previously baptized/born again as Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:18-20.

John 3:4-5
Nicodemus said to him, “How can a person once grown old be born again? Surely he cannot reenter his mother’s womb and be born again, can he?” 5 Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.

Acts 2:38
Peter [said] to them, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit.

Acts 22:16
Now, why delay? Get up and have yourself baptized and your sins washed away, calling upon his name.’