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It’s a Task Interpreting Job

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I get it that Chapters 38-42 show how God straightens out Job and his three friends. However, is it correct to conclude that the errant statements of Job & friends are intertwined with truths that can be extracted and taught for the purposes of building up the flock?

I ask this because, as an example, if I had never read Chapters 38-42 before, there are some real gems to teach from, for the good of others—despite the many rashly spoken statements that surround. But in suddenly factoring in the final five chapters, I’m left to wonder if it would be imprudent to approach teaching this way. In other words, would I be cherry-picking in a way that is not valid?
 

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When the bible says that someone said something, it is true. However, what the person said may not be true. One might think of it like a tape recorder. It is an accurate representation of what was said. However, what was said might not be true.

If you are teaching, you should know what presents God's word accurately.
 
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I get it that Chapters 38-42 show how God straightens out Job and his three friends. However, is it correct to conclude that the errant statements of Job & friends are intertwined with truths that can be extracted and taught for the purposes of building up the flock?

I ask this because, as an example, if I had never read Chapters 38-42 before, there are some real gems to teach from, for the good of others—despite the many rashly spoken statements that surround. But in suddenly factoring in the final five chapters, I’m left to wonder if it would be imprudent to approach teaching this way. In other words, would I be cherry-picking in a way that is not valid?
Job may be food for the mature.

I see Job's theme to be about "fairness" in the sovereignty of God, a major question for man, which at some point should be addressed.

To man's view of "unfairness" in Job, I see God's response to be:
Your ways are not my ways,
My ways are higher (better) than your ways (Isa 55:8-9, 29:16).
I do no wrong (Dt 32:4),
All my ways are just (Da 4:37, 9:14, Ps 145:17),
and what I do is right (Da 4:37, see v.35)

Paul reflects the same kind of response, regarding God's sovereign choice not to grant faith to Israel, his covenant people (Ro 11:7-8),
but to cut them off (Ro 11:17, 29-20, 22) and instead, grant faith to the Gentiles who were foreigners to the covenant (Eph 2:11-12), in
Ro 11:33-36:
"How unsearchable are his judgments,
and his ways beyond finding out!
Who is wise enough that he should instruct God? (Isa 40:13)
And who has given to God that God should owe (repay) him?" (Job 4:11).

Job 38-42 is the counterpoint for the above.
 
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The chapters between Job and his friends is their response and understanding to his predicament and God's "hand in it". The dialogues are based on their worldview and understanding of God. Which as stated, according to the end chapters are not necessarily an accurate reflection of God. Job 42:7-8.

To preach the dialogues from Job as nuggets of truth, without the context would be eating the cherries off the cake.

There are universal nuggets, that should be applied correctly. But should not be used to justify wrong conclusions. Wisdom literature should be applied wisely.


Like Job 5:17, blessed is the one the Lord disciplines... A nugget according to Proverbs 3:11-12.

Paul finds the right application for it in Hebrews 12:5-6. One that aligns with the situation and Gods character.
 
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The chapters between Job and his friends is their response and understanding to his predicament and God's "hand in it". The dialogues are based on their worldview and understanding of God. Which as stated, according to the end chapters are not necessarily an accurate reflection of God. Job 42:7-8.

To preach the dialogues from Job as nuggets of truth, without the context would be eating the cherries off the cake.

There are universal nuggets, that should be applied correctly. But should not be used to justify wrong conclusions. Wisdom literature should be applied wisely.


Like Job 5:17, blessed is the one the Lord disciplines... A nugget according to Proverbs 3:11-12.

Paul finds the right application for it in Hebrews 12:5-6. One that aligns with the situation and Gods character.
Thank you, Rose_bud. Your answer gets to the “bud” of the perspective of what I was hoping to see.

A side observation: and then there are those useful but not to be taken so literally observations: like not needing to forsake eating the white of an egg, Job 6:6

What prompted my post was a read of Job, Chapter 8—good stuff, despite Bildad being admonished later.

I’ll also have a better lense when reading Ecclesiastes.
 
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Job may be food for the mature.

I see Job's theme to be about "fairness" in the sovereignty of God, a major question for man, which at some point should be addressed.

To man's view of "unfairness" in Job, I see God's response to be:
Your ways are not my ways,
My ways are higher (better) than your ways (Isa 55:8-9, 29:16).
I do no wrong (Dt 32:4),
All my ways are just (Da 4:37, 9:14, Ps 145:17),
and what I do is right (Da 4:37, see v.35)

Paul reflects the same kind of response, regarding God's sovereign choice not to grant faith to Israel, his covenant people (Ro 11:7-8),
but to cut them off (Ro 11:17, 29-20, 22) and instead, grant faith to the Gentiles who were foreigners to the covenant (Eph 2:11-12), in
Ro 11:33-36:
"How unsearchable are his judgments,
and his ways beyond finding out!
Who is wise enough that he should instruct God? (Isa 40:13)
And who has given to God that God should owe (repay) him?" (Job 4:11).

Job 38-42 is the counterpoint for the above.

There's other things to take from the story of Job.

I'll point to this particular one. In Job 2:9-10, when Job responds to what his wife was saying and about the suffering that is coming upon him. In Ephesians 5:15-17 it talks about wise and redeeming the time.

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The chapters between Job and his friends is their response and understanding to his predicament and God's "hand in it". The dialogues are based on their worldview and understanding of God. Which as stated, according to the end chapters are not necessarily an accurate reflection of God. Job 42:7-8.

To preach the dialogues from Job as nuggets of truth, without the context would be eating the cherries off the cake.

There are universal nuggets, that should be applied correctly. But should not be used to justify wrong conclusions. Wisdom literature should be applied wisely.


Like Job 5:17, blessed is the one the Lord disciplines... A nugget according to Proverbs 3:11-12.

Paul finds the right application for it in Hebrews 12:5-6. One that aligns with the situation and Gods character.

Job had his time in prosperity. He was going through his time of adversity for most of the book. Ecclesiastes 7:14 speaks about this. That's what job went through.

In the new testament Paul talks about suffering with Christ and the rewards that come with it. This was shown with Job.
 
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"answering to people instead of answering to God" comes to mind.

One of the special things of the Book of Job is he actually spent time in personal sharing with Jesus. How beautifully wonderful and marvelous that was, and yet look at how so much attention goes to all the suffering Job went through.

And, yes > once Job was with Jesus . . . there was not getting Jesus to answer to Job about why he went through all that. But Jesus was asking the questions and Job was answering to Jesus!

And best of all was how Job was so blessed to see and appreciate how beautifully wonderful and righteous Jesus is, so that he just repented of how he was . . . seeing how he was, in comparison with Jesus. *That* got his attention!

And then, what had Jesus' attention? Not answering to Job and explaining why things happened that way. But Jesus first dealt with correcting Job, then correcting his three friends about how they had been relating with Job.

And we can consider how Satan also had time to be with Jesus, in a personal conversation, and how Satan spoiled and wasted such a wonderful opportunity to so appreciate and benefit from being with Jesus who is God's own Son. How horrible and sad!!

And now we can grow in Jesus so we are with Him all the time.
 
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When I first read those chapters, I got the impression that God was telling a man, You think you know everything, but let me tell you.... To sum it all up, we don't have the mind of God.
 
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"answering to people instead of answering to God" comes to mind.

One of the special things of the Book of Job is he actually spent time in personal sharing with Jesus. How beautifully wonderful and marvelous that was, and yet look at how so much attention goes to all the suffering Job went through.

And, yes > once Job was with Jesus . . . there was not getting Jesus to answer to Job about why he went through all that. But Jesus was asking the questions and Job was answering to Jesus!

And best of all was how Job was so blessed to see and appreciate how beautifully wonderful and righteous Jesus is, so that he just repented of how he was . . . seeing how he was, in comparison with Jesus. *That* got his attention!

And then, what had Jesus' attention? Not answering to Job and explaining why things happened that way. But Jesus first dealt with correcting Job, then correcting his three friends about how they had been relating with Job.

And we can consider how Satan also had time to be with Jesus, in a personal conversation, and how Satan spoiled and wasted such a wonderful opportunity to so appreciate and benefit from being with Jesus who is God's own Son. How horrible and sad!!

And now we can grow in Jesus so we are with Him all the time.
Amen!
 
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