Do you desire truth above your opinions?

All Becomes New said:

Why is it that so few people are actually pursuing the Truth?

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Well, if someone is calling me to give a lot of attention to knowing about good and evil in this world, first my attention needs to be to God and submitting to how He guides my attention.

So, I need to invest my time wisely. And going through an hour of YouTube, when you can probably could tell me what you got, in a few sentences, might not be a good investment.

Maybe . . . instead of giving me a video of what somebody else has said, give me briefly what you got out of it, with scriptures. And we can test it.

And in case you have a dispensationalist idea or a not dispensational idea . . . how does your idea help you to walk with Jesus and grow in how Jesus is in our character, and therefore to be submissive to God and where He guides our attention?

Because how Jesus is is the truth, and how God personally guides us at every moment is the truth of what His will really is.

So, again, what did you get out of the video? And how have you benefited in God's word, because of this?

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

All Becomes New said:

Why don't people care about the Truth? It's the same thing I run into with atheist all the time. A perfect meme to show this is here:

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Yeah, very frustrating when people do this for things like the historicity of icon veneration.

As for why people disregard evidence that challenges their beliefs, the easy path is to avoid that struggle, not to "work out your salvation with fear and trembling." It takes humility and introspection to avoid dismissing contrary evidence out of hand, and those don't come naturally except by the grace of God. That doesn't mean we have to listen to every half-baked conspiracy theory, but within reason, there are some things that warrant serious consideration, even if it takes effort for that consideration to be serious.

All Becomes New said:

I am absolutely shocked at how few people prioritize the truth over their own opinions.

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Our egos are fragile. We go through all kinds of contortions to protect them, which leads to all kinds of problems...

All Becomes New said:

Why are you assuming I am the bad guy here?

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What I said is >

com7fy8 said:

So, again, what did you get out of the video?

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Praise God for people like this Dr. who thought outside the box to find truth. The Doctor Who Drank Infectious Broth, Gave Himself an Ulcer, and Solved a Medical Mystery

Though most churches do not practice this, here is a true seeker's scripture.
1 Corinthians 14:26 (NASB)
26 What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.

All Becomes New said:

I am absolutely shocked at how few people prioritize the truth over their own opinions.

Just today, I had two people tell me, "I'm not interested in that," BECAUSE it goes against what they already believe. They did not check it out, they did not see what it said, and they said they did not want to even look at it because it disagreed with their previously held assumptions.

This baffles me. How can you consider yourself an honest person if you are not prioritizing the truth? I see this all the time. People hear a certain narrative, they are convinced of those narratives, and then there is literally nothing you can say to change their minds. This is confusing to me because most of my life, I have been trying to strive toward what is true. It started, strangely enough, when I was accused of lying by my father. I told him to check out what I was saying, and he didn't, and I was severely punished for it. Then he finds out some time later that I was telling the truth. He wants to apologize to me, but I was absolutely traumatized that my dad didn't listen to me when I was telling him the truth, and when I refused to hug him, I was punished again. Instead of teaching me to lie to get my way, for some strange reason, this had the opposite effect on me, and it made me a truth teller.

I shared this article with someone just to show that I am not a dispensationalist. They didn't care. Doesn't matter that they are saying I am something I am not. The truth is clearly not important to them

Church History and Israel's Future

A belief in national Israel's future salvation actually goes all the way back to the early church. Here are just a few of the men who held this conviction.

blog.tms.edu

I shared the work of Dr. Roland Fryer, a Harvard African American truth teller to someone close to me stating that police are not more likely to shoot minorities, and the person said, "I am not going to waste my time on any commentary committed to denying the role white supremacy plays in policing."

I literally do not understand this. How can people say something and then not care if what they are saying is true or not? I saw another women yesterday post something saying basically, "I stand for this, but if you disagree, I don't want to hear from you." How does that even work? You want to be able to push your views on other people without examining if what you are saying is the right stance or something? I see it ALL. THE. TIME. Why don't people care about the Truth? It's the same thing I run into with atheist all the time. A perfect meme to show this is here:

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I see this with Protestants and Catholics. Calvinists and Arminians. Anglicans and Wesleyans.

Why is it that so few people are actually pursuing the Truth?

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As a philosopher, truth is something I prefer over my own guesswork. The problem comes in the fact that there is no metaphysical or epistemological agreement among people as to what the term 'truth' is or can perfectly apply to. As Christians, we can say we identify truth as a quality of the Bible or a quality of God Himself, but this is a theological proposition that is contingent on trust in God's revelation rather than on clear and direct demonstration of the matter.

Add to the above complications the fact that among us are various epistemic positions: some people are what are known as 'idealist,' some are 'realist,' some are 'anti-realist.' The last of these sees the world in which we are embedded and lived in as essentially a sheer mental construct rather than an immediate apprehension of actual aspects of the world.

And what does this mean for our disagreements among ourselves about the nature of 'truth'? It means that as Christians, we'll have to work against the Modern and Post-Modern notion that the 'real world' is whatever we think it is or whatever we think we can pragmatically 'make' out of it. And so, we'll find ourselves down in the philosophical Rabbit Hole, having similar encounters to those that Alice experienced while in Wonderland and attempting to get to the 'truth' of this or that matter.

All Becomes New said:

I am absolutely shocked at how few people prioritize the truth over their own opinions.

Just today, I had two people tell me, "I'm not interested in that," BECAUSE it goes against what they already believe. They did not check it out, they did not see what it said, and they said they did not want to even look at it because it disagreed with their previously held assumptions.

This baffles me. How can you consider yourself an honest person if you are not prioritizing the truth? I see this all the time. People hear a certain narrative, they are convinced of those narratives, and then there is literally nothing you can say to change their minds. This is confusing to me because most of my life, I have been trying to strive toward what is true. It started, strangely enough, when I was accused of lying by my father. I told him to check out what I was saying, and he didn't, and I was severely punished for it. Then he finds out some time later that I was telling the truth. He wants to apologize to me, but I was absolutely traumatized that my dad didn't listen to me when I was telling him the truth, and when I refused to hug him, I was punished again. Instead of teaching me to lie to get my way, for some strange reason, this had the opposite effect on me, and it made me a truth teller.

I shared this article with someone just to show that I am not a dispensationalist. They didn't care. Doesn't matter that they are saying I am something I am not. The truth is clearly not important to them

Church History and Israel's Future

A belief in national Israel's future salvation actually goes all the way back to the early church. Here are just a few of the men who held this conviction.

blog.tms.edu

I shared the work of Dr. Roland Fryer, a Harvard African American truth teller to someone close to me stating that police are not more likely to shoot minorities, and the person said, "I am not going to waste my time on any commentary committed to denying the role white supremacy plays in policing."

I literally do not understand this. How can people say something and then not care if what they are saying is true or not? I saw another women yesterday post something saying basically, "I stand for this, but if you disagree, I don't want to hear from you." How does that even work? You want to be able to push your views on other people without examining if what you are saying is the right stance or something? I see it ALL. THE. TIME. Why don't people care about the Truth? It's the same thing I run into with atheist all the time. A perfect meme to show this is here:

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I see this with Protestants and Catholics. Calvinists and Arminians. Anglicans and Wesleyans.

Why is it that so few people are actually pursuing the Truth?

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I definitely want God's truth over man's opinion.

All Becomes New said:

Why is it that so few people are actually pursuing the Truth?

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As I was reading your essay... I was thinking the same thing. Why is ABN not pursuing the truth?
Faith is based on things that are not seen. So, how will you prove it to anyone using empirical methods? Because they are invisible, Paul said the Christian faith comes by revelation, and revelation comes by the Word of Christ. You won't find it in a test tube or a geometry textbook. That is the way God wants it. If we want to please God, we must believe that He exists and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

All Becomes New said:

I am absolutely shocked at how few people prioritize the truth over their own opinions.

Just today, I had two people tell me, "I'm not interested in that," BECAUSE it goes against what they already believe. They did not check it out, they did not see what it said, and they said they did not want to even look at it because it disagreed with their previously held assumptions.

This baffles me. How can you consider yourself an honest person if you are not prioritizing the truth? I see this all the time. People hear a certain narrative, they are convinced of those narratives, and then there is literally nothing you can say to change their minds. This is confusing to me because most of my life, I have been trying to strive toward what is true. It started, strangely enough, when I was accused of lying by my father. I told him to check out what I was saying, and he didn't, and I was severely punished for it. Then he finds out some time later that I was telling the truth. He wants to apologize to me, but I was absolutely traumatized that my dad didn't listen to me when I was telling him the truth, and when I refused to hug him, I was punished again. Instead of teaching me to lie to get my way, for some strange reason, this had the opposite effect on me, and it made me a truth teller.

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I think fundementally this is epistemics, how we should know the truth and reality. This can be subjective but there are certain implicity rules if you like or maybe truth principles which are implied whenever two people come together to discuss a mattr which determines a truth or fact.

That is the basic rules of debate such as not using logical fallacies anf misrepesenting the other persons position or meaning. Being honest and acknowledging when something is shown to be illogical or unsupported by rationality or objective facts.

Otherwise its a never ending circle of claims and counter claims and no way to determine whats going on. Thats because fundementally I believe this is a matter of belief which is influenced by personal experiences which can inflence how people see the evidence. What counts as evidence.

But also a worldview that is resistent to any contradictory evidence. We all do it and its hard to detach from this in a relative world where feelings and experiences are the ultimate measure of truth.

All Becomes New said:

I shared this article with someone just to show that I am not a dispensationalist. They didn't care. Doesn't matter that they are saying I am something I am not. The truth is clearly not important to them

Church History and Israel's Future

A belief in national Israel's future salvation actually goes all the way back to the early church. Here are just a few of the men who held this conviction.

blog.tms.edu

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That are actually say what they are and projecting it onto you. As its about belief there is no way reasoning can help.

All Becomes New said:

I shared the work of Dr. Roland Fryer, a Harvard African American truth teller to someone close to me stating that police are not more likely to shoot minorities, and the person said, "I am not going to waste my time on any commentary committed to denying the role white supremacy plays in policing."

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When ultimatums are given this is more about ideological belief. The cancellation of opposing views and beliefs. Like any radical belief that cancells the rights of others and is dogmatic.

Going back to the rules of debate. Rules like being open to all evidence even the opposing position to ensure all factors are considered before making a determination. If the person is not even willing to hear the opposing view then they are not playing by the implicit epistemic morals that we all imply when discussing a matter that requires at truth or fact determination.

All Becomes New said:

I literally do not understand this. How can people say something and then not care if what they are saying is true or not? I saw another women yesterday post something saying basically, "I stand for this, but if you disagree, I don't want to hear from you." How does that even work? You want to be able to push your views on other people without examining if what you are saying is the right stance or something? I see it ALL. THE. TIME. Why don't people care about the Truth? It's the same thing I run into with atheist all the time. A perfect meme to show this is here:

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I can't quote after the image lol. As mentioned this is because its abiut belief and not truth or fact. In fact under this worldview there are many truths, your truth or my truth. But when it comes to truth we know there can only be one truth. So in the end the relativist position is undermined and they have to insist on their truth because in reality we cannot exist with many truths.

So it comes down to a battle of truths and this comes down to a worldview and metaphysical belief about how the world and humans are ordered. That can depend on personal experiences, political ideology, social norms, religion ect.

But primarily I think if Christ is truth and God is creator then there is a truth to be found on these moral matters and they should align with reality. We are also rational beings as well as spiritual and moral ones. So we can identify when its belief and when its aligned with truth and reality.

But when someone cancells other peoples views or evidence then your not dealing with a rational situation. You can give the logic and reasoning or evidence as many times as you like but it will not be acknowledged. Will not be given a reasoned arguement as to why it doesn't stand. In fact I believe when someone avoids truth due to belief they already know there is evidence and aim to avoid it.

All Becomes New said:

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I see this with Protestants and Catholics. Calvinists and Arminians. Anglicans and Wesleyans.

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Yep and probably the most heated and convoluted arguements lol. I have seen some of the Christian and Islam debates and boy do they go for it. But the arguements between Christian denominations can get fierce. Which is sad considering we are suppose to be on the same team. It makes you wondr what exactly are they fighting over. But also debates on evolution and creation believe it or not on both sides.

All Becomes New said:

Why is it that so few people are actually pursuing the Truth?

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Because there is no truth anymore in a relativistic world. It all depends on what you mean by truth and whose truth they are talking about.

We've all become like Pilate. We dismiss the idea of absolute truths.

Then Pilate said to Jesus, 'So you are a king, are you?' Jesus answered, 'You say that I am a king. For this I was born, and for this I have come into the world, to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.' Pilate said to him, 'What is truth?' After saying this, he went back out to the Jews and told them, 'I find no guilt in him'” (John 18:37-38).

All Becomes New said:

I am absolutely shocked at how few people prioritize the truth over their own opinions.


Why don't people care about the Truth? It's the same thing I run into with atheist all the time. A perfect meme to show this is here:

I see this with Protestants and Catholics. Calvinists and Arminians. Anglicans and Wesleyans.

Why is it that so few people are actually pursuing the Truth?

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I think that the question, "what is truth?" is a good one - even though it was said by Pontius Pilate, and maybe for dubious reasons.

Example: there are flat earthers on these forums who are convinced they have the truth and have told me that I, a globe earther, don't.
Catholics have told me that I don't have all of the truth.
Some have implied that if a person questions the Bible or does not accept every word to be literally true, they don't know the truth.
Some insist that because they are quoting Scripture their belief is true, not realising that they are interpreting Scripture.

What is the truth you believe that people don't care about?