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No I would see them as pretending that the bible supports Genesis being a crock. I know better and if any should make a bible case for their anti creation views, I think that would quickly become apparent
Strawman argument. It is not pride to believe. It might be pride to pretend one has a case that God got it all wrong in Genesis.
Do you not see what you're doing?
Correct, if that is what they do. Do they say Jesus was wrong in talking about the flood and first man and woman?
Right, in some cases that is what people do. For example they pretend that man 'really' got here by evolution as did the stars, and that God's word is simply wrong. You can't have it both ways. If believers actually shared those doubting views, then they would be believers that did not know what they were talking about in that particular area
Are you able to tell us how you 'read Genesis' or not? What should we think of how Scripture says the first woman got on the planet for example? Was Jesus wrong about that? Paul? Etc
Unless you tell us how you read it, what can anyone say? Using the above example, how did the first woman get here? How do you read the bible on that?
Yoiu are the one that said I am not of God. Why pretend I denigrate people here? I denigrate ideas. Casting down every high thing like so called science and it's 'religious' believers that exalt themselves above God. You have resorted to false accusations that are actually demonic. Your statement that 'You are not of God' is not of God.
How can we look at that when you have slithered away from any details on what you claim Genesis 'really' means? The example was given here of where do you think the bible says the first woman on planet earth came from??
I've never heard a Christian say that.
It really does look like you're incapable of seeing this any other way than reading Genesis differently is the same as saying it's wrong.
Uh huh, because the only people who know what they're talking about are you and those who agree with you. Sigh.
You're still missing the point. Before you even know how I read any parts of scripture you've already decided that I am anti-creation, think scripture is bunk, don't believe Jesus, etc.
I didn't say you are not of God, I said you are not God.
You do! In just this thread you've said people who don't share your interpretations pretend the Bible is a crock, are anti-creation, pretend God got it all wrong, don't believe in Jesus, reject God and creation, etc.
You need to read people's posts more carefully, and now you really need to apologize for your mistake and hateful personal attack.
Why are you such an angry, nasty person? Do you always struggle with disagreement?
I have heard people say that basically. Maybe if you tell us how you think Genesis is to be read we might have something to discuss
Once again, what is the right way to read where the first woman came from exactly? (if not the obvious)
No it is not about me or anyone else. Not even Trump! It is about the bible saying what it says and some people not believing it and/or pretending it says or means something opposite
No, the people who are anti creation are those who take science's word over God and proceed to erase creation, pretending that is what Scripture really means.
My bad. Sorry. Rereading the post I see you are correct
I never mentioned interpretation. That would be you. I have said creation is not up for grabs or able to be waved away. Especially by people claiming to believe in the bible and Jesus
Right, either they believe, or not. Can you explain where the first woman on the planet came from according to the bible? Is that an interpretation?
As mentioned above I did have it wrong that you said I was not of God. But while on that subject tell us what God really meant when He said He put the first man to sleep and took a part of his body and created the first woman? Does that really mean they both crawled out of a pond? Or that a meteor deposited some stuff that was used to make little critters that eventually evolved into mankind? Or?
I do not suffer fools gladly. So it would be wise to show a reasoned case for your disagreement with the creation as per Genesis.
To start, thank you for apologizing for what was just an honest mistake.
Absolutely
Sometimes it is hard to know what they are suggesting.
That all depends on what you say it means. I did give an example of the first woman on earth and asked what you thought the bible said about it? How about the sun and stars. did He creates them or did they evolve into being? (stellar evolution, big bang etc) How about the sun, was it really created after plants?
That depends on what your approach is. Maybe address the above examples and we'll find out
Do you recognize the theme here? It's basically, don't go straight to accusing people of not believing in Jesus, rejecting scripture, denying God, etc., just because they disagree with you, particularly when you don't know anything about their views other than that they're different than yours.
Yes your theme seems to be avoiding answering direct questions about the topic such as how do you think the bible says the first woman got here? Why insinuate that is a matter of interpretation?
Jesus is the creator. If people do not believe that, then what jesus are they talking about? If you claim they do believe He created, but that Genesis is wrong, then explain.
How would we know what approach you take except the approach of evasion here? Should we call in Jeanne Dixon to divine it?
That depends on what 'it' is? How about just honestly addressing the few examples that were put to you about Genesis and what you think it says?
I don't know of any other way to explain the point and I'm tired of repeating myself.
Several unsupported assertions. I guess an argument without support can be dismissed without support.
Scoot off without being honest and answering simple straightforward questions then if you like. You never gave any clue as to some other interpretation of Genesis that you hold. For lurkers, he was asked what he claims the bible says about where the first woman on earth came from.I don't know of any other way to explain the point and I'm tired of repeating myself.
God bless and have a wonderful day.
What would you like supported, that God's wisdom is higher than ours? What has no support is your allusion to how science might somehow one day figure out how the universe and we got here.
You really don't understand why someone wouldn't want to explain to you how they interpret Genesis?
No. Not if they insinuated that it was not real. If anyone makes God's word out to be ridiculous and false and not meaning what it plainly says, it would be good for them to explain why.
I actually deal with ideas. It is not a good thing to wave away Genesis as some sort of silly fable that is not to be taken seriously. Now if anyone does that, and feels guilty, perhaps they imagine I was insulting them personally
Pointing out that you refused to come clean and state your position on the examples given is not nasty. The nasty bit is the avoidance and not debating in good faith. It wastes everyone's time.
No. The bible is not my opinion and creation is not subject to opinion. If you want to step out here and explain why the first woman did not actually come from the man as the bible says, then go ahead.
