HOW CAN A JEWISH PERSON BE SAVED AND REMAIN JEWISH ??

timothyu · May 8, 2025

This place is toast

All Becomes New · May 8, 2025

Clare73 said:
Jesus is returning (appearing in the sky, Mt 24:30) at the end of time (1 Th 4:16-17) for the resurrection of the sheep and the goats; i.e., all mankind, and the catching up of the saints in the clouds to meet Jesus in the air.

Acts 1:10-11
"And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, then behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them, and they said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”"

Same way. Christ is returning to Jerusalem.

All Becomes New · May 8, 2025

timothyu said:
This place is toast

It's really something the lies that people believe today. Like thinking God is done with the Jewish people. It is often assumed that the idea that God still has remaining promises for Israel is only an idea of Dispensationalism from the 1800s, when the reality is that Christians all throughout history have recognized that God is not done with the Jews. The ignorance is rampant.

Dan Perez · May 8, 2025

All Becomes New said:
Acts 1:10-11
"And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, then behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them, and they said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”"

Same way. Christ is returning to Jerusalem.

And 1 THESS 4:16 and 17 does not say any thing about SHEEP and GOATS as that passage is in Matt 25:31-46 , which

deals with Israel .

dan p

All Becomes New · May 8, 2025

Dan Perez said:
And 1 THESS 4:16 and 17 does not say any thing about SHEEP and GOATS as that passage is in Matt 25:31-46 , which

deals with Israel .

dan p

The sheep and the goats passage is about different nations. Israel is not mentioned specifically.

timothyu · May 8, 2025

All Becomes New said:
that God is not done with the Jews.

Of course not. He wants to reunite the House of Israel, all 12 tribes, not just the Jewish one, back under the original Abrahamic faith. All but a couple of chapters of the entire gentile bible are about this one family. When He said all nations He meant it.

jas3 · May 8, 2025

All Becomes New said:
It's really something the lies that people believe today. Like thinking God is done with the Jewish people.

God's not done with anyone, but they have to accept the Messiah.

All Becomes New said:
It is often assumed that the idea that God still has remaining promises for Israel is only an idea of Dispensationalism from the 1800s

It is, and the idea that a person can be saved apart from Jesus Christ under the Old Covenant after the establishment of the New Covenant is antithetical to Christianity.

Clare73 · May 8, 2025

All Becomes New said:
It's really something the lies that people believe today. Like thinking God is done with the Jewish people. It is often assumed that the idea that God still has remaining promises for Israel is only an idea of Dispensationalism from the 1800s, when the reality is that Christians all throughout history have recognized that God is not done with the Jews. The ignorance is rampant.

Well, Scripture does present the fulfillment of the land promise--possession by Joshua (Josh 23:14, 21:43) and occupation under Solomon (1 Kgs 4:21, 24-25).
Scripture also presents the promise of an "everlasting possession" (Ge 17:8, 48:4) as fulfilled in the heavenly land (Heb 11:13-16) rather than in earthly land.

So Scripture presents the land promise as having been fulfilled. There remains no land promise to Israel apart from the "everlasting possession" fulfilled in heaven, and that is only through faith in the promise (Ge 15:5, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16), and which promise is being fulfilled today in a remnant (Ro 11:4-6).

Israel is now on the same footing as are the Gentiles:
1) salvation is only by faith in the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ (Ro 3:25).
2) salvation is of a remnant only (Ro 11:4-5).

Strong in Him · May 8, 2025

Dan Perez said:
And 1 THESS 4:16 and 17 does not say any thing about SHEEP and GOATS as that passage is in Matt 25:31-46 , which

deals with Israel .

What has any of this got to do with your question, "how can a Jewish person be saved and remain Jewish?"

timothyu · May 8, 2025

Strong in Him said:
"how can a Jewish person be saved and remain Jewish?"

Because being saved has nothing to do with religion.

JEBofChristTheLord · May 8, 2025

HOW CAN A JEWISH PERSON BE SAVED AND REMAIN JEWISH ??

In order to have an answer to a question which is at all relevant, one must first define terms. What is "Jewish?"

I ask as a man who was born entirely of Jewish ancestry so far as is known, who is now of Christ. When the answer mattered to me, in synagogue and Jewish private schooling, the question "What is a Jew?" was asked a number of times, by rabbis, teachers, and students, and never was a single simple coherent definition permitted, by the rabbis and teachers. We had a few different ones each time, but the rabbis and teachers never allowed any of them to remain.

Clare73 · May 8, 2025

JEBofChristTheLord said:
In order to have an answer to a question which is at all relevant, one must first define terms. What is "Jewish?"

I ask as a man who was born entirely of Jewish ancestry so far as is known, who is now of Christ. When the answer mattered to me, in synagogue and Jewish private schooling, the question "What is a Jew?" was asked a number of times, by rabbis, teachers, and students, and never was a single simple coherent definition permitted, by the rabbis and teachers. We had a few different ones each time, but the rabbis and teachers never allowed any of them to remain.

My first answer would be: a physical descendant of Jacob, loosely termed.
My second answer would be: those who practice/believe the OT Jewish religion of the time of Christ.

Soyeong · May 8, 2025

Dan Perez said:
AND is there a verse that says a JEW an be SAVED and remain a JEW ?

And VIS-VIS ?

dan p

In John 4:22, Jesus said that salvation is of the Jews, so there is nothing about someone being saved that means that they need to cease to be a Jew. Paul never stopped identifying as a Jew (Acts 21:39, 22:3).

Soyeong · May 9, 2025

In Acts 15, the issue facing the Jerusalem Council was whether Gentiles needed to become Jews in order to become saved, but it has since come full circle

Dan Perez · May 9, 2025

All Becomes New said:
Jesus was a Rabbi, not a Reverend. His name is Yeshua, not Jesus. He elevated the Law; He did not discard it. All the Apostles were Jewish. All His first followers were Jewish. The whole of the OT testifies about Yeshua, which is a book written about Israel.

Asking if a Jew can be saved is like asking if a fish can swim.

And in 2 Cor 3:13-14 why Israel was set aside

In verse 15 , But until these day ( written some 2000 yeas ago ) when Moses is being READ , a COVERING lies upon

their HEART .

VERSE 16 , # 1 , NEVER THE LESS // DE , is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 WHEN // HENIKA is an ADVERB

# 3 IT SHALL TURN // EDISTREPPHO , is in the Greek AORIST TENSE , in the SUBJUNCATIVE MOOD , in the SIGNULAR

# 4 TO // PROS , is an ADVERB

# 5 THE LORD // KYRIOS , is in the Greek ACCUSATIVE CASE , in te SINGULAR

# 6 THE // HO , is a DEFINITE ARTICILE , in the Greek NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR and in the NEUTER ,

meaning MALE and FEMALE .

# 7 VAIL // KALYMMA , is in the Greek , NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR , also in the NEUER , meaning

MALE and FEMALE

# 8 SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY // PENIAIREO , in the Greek , PRESENT TENSE , in the PASSIVE VOICE , meaning Christ

will cause it to happen , in the INDICATIVE MOOD , meaning you better believe IT , in the SINGULAR .

There is a prophesy in EZE 36: 25 -38

And since Israel and Judah are two STICKS ( in EZE 37 :15 -28

And in EZE 37 1-10 Isarel will be BORN AGAIN .

dan p

Dan Perez · May 9, 2025

All Becomes New said:
The sheep and the goats passage is about different nations. Israel is not mentioned specifically.

And Matt 25:32 will gather ALL NATIONS

All Becomes New said:
The sheep and the goats passage is about different nations. Israel is not mentioned specifically.

And Matt 25: 32 says .

# 1 SHALL BE GATHERED // SYNAGO , is in the FUTURE TENSE , been almost most 2000 years , inthe Greek , PASSIVE VOICE ,

and just means , it is Christ that is going to do the GATHERING , and in the INDICATIVE MOOD , and you better

believe that Christ will do the gathering , and in the SINGULAR .

# 2 ALL // PAS , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the PLURAL and in the NEUTER , meaning MALE and FEMALE

# NATIONS // ETHNOS , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the PLURAL , meaning all people , in the NEUTER ,

meaning ALL MALES and FEMALES

dan p

HOW CAN A JEWISH PERSON BE SAVED AND REMAIN JEWISH ??

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