New to being a Messianic.

All Becomes New · Thursday at 1:51 PM

I made a post here some time ago about a new congregation I was attending. I have still been going there. It is enough for me to change my religious status to Messianic.

Do you have any helpful links and articles for me to wet my feet in this new denomination?

Yusuphhai · Friday at 7:37 AM

https://bethtikkun.com/

It cannot be accessed in Chn, but it should be possible in the United States.

Due to the fact that many Messianic people attend general Christian gatherings, I would think that it is not necessary to emphasize the difference between Messianic and non Messianic in such occasions, but to explore the difference between true and false logical propositions. Have a blessed trip and Shalom.

All Becomes New · Friday at 8:02 AM

Yusuphhai said:
https://bethtikkun.com/

It cannot be accessed in Chn, but it should be possible in the United States.

Due to the fact that many Messianic people attend general Christian gatherings, I would think that it is not necessary to emphasize the difference between Messianic and non Messianic in such occasions, but to explore the difference between true and false logical propositions. Have a blessed trip and Shalom.

The site, unfortunately, is inaccessible to me.

Yes, I agree. In the end, Yeshua and His sacrifice is what we put our trust in. However, I want to know more about the roots of The Way.

We do a disservice to ourselves when we sever ourselves from the root of Judaism in Christianity.

Yusuphhai · Friday at 8:39 AM

TorahBytes / Biblical commentary from a messianic perspective

This is a short Messianic Torah explanation.

Bless Israel With Yeshua

ONE FOR ISRAEL is an initiative of native-born Israelis on the forefront of high-tech media evangelism, proclaiming salvation to Israel, raising up spiritual leaders through ONE FOR ISRAEL’s Bible College and equipping them with the tools they need to transform our communities.

www.oneforisrael.org

This is a local church website in Israel, not very Messianic, but emphasizing the communion of Jewish and Arab believers.

more:

https://emmausway.org/about-us/

Torah Portions | FFOZ

Teachings on the Torah, the Prophets, and the Gospels.

ffoz.org

Have a blessed trip.

Lily_o_valley · Friday at 1:50 PM

All Becomes New said:
I made a post here some time ago about a new congregation I was attending. I have still been going there. It is enough for me to change my religious status to Messianic.

Do you have any helpful links and articles for me to wet my feet in this new denomination?

Hello, I am wondering how you define 'Messianic" or what it means to you, as I am realising that there is quite a wide variety under the 'Messianic' umbrella.

Lily_o_valley · Friday at 1:54 PM

Yusuphhai said:
https://bethtikkun.com/

It cannot be accessed in Chn, but it should be possible in the United States.

The site won't load for me in the UK.

All Becomes New · Friday at 1:54 PM

Lily_o_valley said:
Hello, I am wondering how you define 'Messianic" or what it means to you, as I am realising that there is quite a wide variety under the 'Messianic' umbrella.

Nothing too extreme. For example, our congregation actually meets (for now) on Sunday. The Pastor is Jewish, and they are part of Chosen People Ministries as well as the Evangelical Free Church. So it is, in a sense, a hybrid between Evangelical and Messianic. I tried to have my faith reflect that with non-denominational/messianic, but that was not allowed.

Lily_o_valley · Friday at 2:00 PM

All Becomes New said:
I tried to have my faith reflect that with non-denominational/messianic, but that was not allowed.

My denominational affiliation ought to read "it's complicated"!

JEBofChristTheLord · Friday at 2:06 PM

Lily_o_valley said:
My denominational affiliation ought to read "it's complicated"!

Why bother? Just affiliate with Christ the Lord and His adopted brothers and sisters.

Yusuphhai · Friday at 10:20 PM

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AbbaLove · Saturday at 10:27 PM

All Becomes New said:
I made a post here some time ago about a new congregation I was attending. I have still been going there. It is enough for me to change my religious status to Messianic.

Would you tend to say your change in religious status is more toward Messianic Judaism or Messianic Christianity (e.g. One For Israel). CF considers the MJ forum to be a form of Christianity.

MC use words like Passover/Pesach in place of Easter and Shavuot instead of Pentecost. MC does recognize the importance of the 7 Feasts Of The LORD. Sacred events are according to a Jewish calendar ... TorahCalendar.com
MJ would eat turkey sausage and bacon, but never any pork whatsoever!
MJ adheres to many of the 613 commands/laws in the Torah as still applicable; especially resting on the 7th day Sabbath and an afternoon Oneg fellowship.
MC is not as "kpsher" (food laws) but do consider the 7th day their Sabbath; whereas it's not uncommon for mainline Christian churches to look upon 7th day Christian churches as a cult (non-Christian) because the Christian day of worship is on the 1st day of the week.

In general MC views MJ as more of a religious pursuit than an intimate relationship with the Father via the baptism (indwelling) of the Holy Spirit. Whereas MJ believes the instruction of Yahweh in the Hebrew Bible (Torah) is just as important today as during the "Acts Of The [Jewish] Apostles). Thus continualism vs cessationism is just as controversial within MC as MJ.

All Becomes New · Saturday at 11:00 PM

AbbaLove said:
Would you tend to say your change in religious status is more toward Messianic Judaism or Messianic Christianity (e.g. One For Israel). CF considers the MJ forum to be a form of Christianity.

MC use words like Passover/Pesach in place of Easter and Shavuot instead of Pentecost. MC does recognize the importance of the 7 Feasts Of The LORD. Sacred events are according to a Jewish calendar ... TorahCalendar.com
MJ would eat turkey sausage and bacon, but never any pork whatsoever!
MJ adheres to many of the 613 commands/laws in the Torah as still applicable; especially resting on the 7th day Sabbath and an afternoon Oneg fellowship.
MC is not as "kpsher" (food laws) but do consider the 7th day their Sabbath; whereas it's not uncommon for mainline Christian churches to look upon 7th day Christian churches as a cult (non-Christian) because the Christian day of worship is on the 1st day of the week.

In general MC views MJ as more of a religious pursuit than an intimate relationship with the Father via the baptism (indwelling) of the Holy Spirit. Whereas MJ believes the instruction of Yahweh in the Hebrew Bible (Torah) is just as important today as during the "Acts Of The [Jewish] Apostles). Thus continualism vs cessationism is just as controversial within MC as MJ.

According to this, it would be MC.

IMO, I am a Gentile, so I do not need to follow the 613 Laws (which is impossible, but anyways).

Mostly, since October 7, 2023, because of figures like Dr. Michael Brown, rather than growing in disdain for the Jewish people, it only awakened my sympathies for the Jewish people. There is so much filth that gets repeated over and over and over about the Jewish people ad nauseam. Then you read passages like Romans 9-11, and it just smacks you in the face that God loves the Jewish people and the Messiah is primarily for the Israelites and not the Gentiles. There have been dominoes along the way to considering myself Messianic. On X, I came across Jews who follow Jesus. I saw the absolute LIES being spread about Israel. I learned that the Gospels are just saturated to the brim with the Jewishness of Yeshua.

I don't claim to know all the ins and outs of being a Messianic. I'm very green to this movement. But I know Messiah's very identity was of an Israelite, not a Gentile. Gentiles have changed and rebranded Christianity in so many ways. I want to get to know the roots. Not this tradition or that steeped in Paganism. Example: How Christians have absolutely warped the first of the 10 commandments. The early church was explicitly against using "icons" in worship. The idea that you can use a statue to aid in worship is absurd to the Jewish people, and all of Church history is against it until about the sixth century. At about the time you get out of the living memory of a movement, about 100 years, things can start to get twisted very quickly. I view my current "Messianic" title as a renewal in the church, at least for me (Hear me Lord! Refine me in the fire! Teach me Your ways!). The Reformation was necessary, but it lacked some essential things that made Yeshua stand out. Messiah is not Western. It is Middle Eastern. I don't know much about Judaism, but I know Yeshua was a Jew, which is a fact that is all too often ignored in the Chruch.

Jerry N. · 2025-05-04T07:32:25-0500

All Becomes New said:
According to this, it would be MC.

IMO, I am a Gentile, so I do not need to follow the 613 Laws (which is impossible, but anyways).

Mostly, since October 7, 2023, because of figures like Dr. Michael Brown, rather than growing in disdain for the Jewish people, it only awakened my sympathies for the Jewish people. There is so much filth that gets repeated over and over and over about the Jewish people ad nauseam. Then you read passages like Romans 9-11, and it just smacks you in the face that God loves the Jewish people and the Messiah is primarily for the Israelites and not the Gentiles. There have been dominoes along the way to considering myself Messianic. On X, I came across Jews who follow Jesus. I saw the absolute LIES being spread about Israel. I learned that the Gospels are just saturated to the brim with the Jewishness of Yeshua.

I don't claim to know all the ins and outs of being a Messianic. I'm very green to this movement. But I know Messiah's very identity was of an Israelite, not a Gentile. Gentiles have changed and rebranded Christianity in so many ways. I want to get to know the roots. Not this tradition or that steeped in Paganism. Example: How Christians have absolutely warped the first of the 10 commandments. The early church was explicitly against using "icons" in worship. The idea that you can use a statue to aid in worship is absurd to the Jewish people, and all of Church history is against it until about the sixth century. At about the time you get out of the living memory of a movement, about 100 years, things can start to get twisted very quickly. I view my current "Messianic" title as a renewal in the church, at least for me (Hear me Lord! Refine me in the fire! Teach me Your ways!). The Reformation was necessary, but it lacked some essential things that made Yeshua stand out. Messiah is not Western. It is Middle Eastern. I don't know much about Judaism, but I know Yeshua was a Jew, which is a fact that is all too often ignored in the Chruch.

This is not a direct answer to the post above, but I hope it will help.

I’m glad you have decided to be Messianic. I’ve been a Messianic Christian for many years, and it has been a wonderful way to stay close to the will of God. This is my advice based on my own learning and experience, but many would disagree. First, don’t try to be Jewish. Second, focus on the Torah and not the Tanakh. As a Christian, you are free of the Law, However, the Law was given, not just to convict us of sin, but also as a way to separate a person for service to God. God also gave the Law for our own good. Study the Torah carefully and prayerfully decide what you can and cannot do. Start with what you can do and work from there. For example, I don’t keep Sukkot fully. Living in a hut outside in my climate would not be wise. My wife doesn’t fully keep Yom Kippur because of her health, but she limits her food to a level that keeps her from getting ill. If you keep the Law of the Torah, do it because you want to do what pleases Him and with conviction of heart. Personally, I think keeping the Sabbath is important, since it was established before the rest of the Law, However, study and pray, and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.

AbbaLove · 2025-05-04T21:07:21-0500

All Becomes New said:
Mostly, since October 7, 2023, because of figures like Dr. Michael Brown, rather than growing in disdain for the Jewish people, it only awakened my sympathies for the Jewish people.

I first met Dr. Brown in '99 when he was teaching at the Brownsville Revival. His latest book "GO AND SIN NO MORE, A Call To Holiness" was just hot off the press ... www.amazon.com/Go-Sin-No-More-Holiness/dp/0615730191

Dr. Michael Brown's take on Messinic Judaism ...

"Messianic Judaism represents a return to the Jewish roots of faith in Yeshua (Jesus). It's not simply Judaism plus Jesus or Christianity with Jewish elements—it's a restoration of first-century Jewish faith in Messiah." (pro Paul's inspired letters to both Jewish and gentile followers.)

Even though Dr. Brown is Jewish I'd say he is both MC and MJ (being of Jewish ancestry). The Apostle Paul was MJ/ MC; whereas the Messianic Jews with James in Jerusalem that travelled to Antioch (to spy on the gentile Christians) are generally considered by MCs to be Judaizers, but not necessarily considered Judaizers by more than a few MJs that question some of Paul's writings as intended for gentile Christians (e.g. at Antioch) fmore so than Messianic Jews at Jerusalem.

One way to find out where a Messianic congregation stands (MJ vs MC) is to ask the following question to the Rabbi and a few Jewish members that are representative of the Messanic congregation you're visiting ...

Do you think some of Paul's instructions in his epistles were his own commentary directed more to gentiles or inspired by the Holy Spirit for both Jews and non-Jews?

Galatians 5:2-4 (CJB - b’rit-milah is circumscism)

2 Mark my words — I, Sha’ul, tell you that if you undergo b’rit-milah the Messiah will be of no advantage to you at all! 3 Again, I warn you: any man who undergoes b’rit-milah is obligated to observe the entire Torah! 4 You who are trying to be declared righteous by God through legalism have severed yourselves from the Messiah! You have fallen away from God’s grace!

All Becomes New · 2025-05-05T16:12:08-0500

AbbaLove said:
Do you think some of Paul's instructions in his epistles were his own commentary directed more to gentiles or inspired by the Holy Spirit for both Jews and non-Jews?

To me, the answer to this is obvious since the Bible makes it abundantly clear that Paul did in fact go to the Gentiles and Peter, James, and John went to the Jews (Galatians as well as other places in the Bible). Acts 15 also is clear, IMO.

AbbaLove · 2025-05-05T18:38:59-0500

All Becomes New said:
To me, the answer to this is obvious since the Bible makes it abundantly clear that Paul did in fact go to the Gentiles and Peter, James, and John went to the Jews

Yes, even today all 'born again, new creations in Yeshua' - Titus 3:5, put the emphsis on Galatians 5:5-6 If a MC godly man has never been circumcised should he now be circumcised in order to satisfy requirements of a Messianic Judaism congregation in order to be accepted as one of them? More than a few MJs would say he is not godly until he is circumcised. And so we find religion exists within MJ as well as MC.

A Messanic Christian (pro-Paul) that joins a MJ congregation is generally expected to follow certain Jewish requirements ... like not eating bacon (pork) and other laws of Judaism. Some Believers believe they will become more righteous as a MC/MJ than as a member of a mainline Christian church. Paul goes on to further emphasize (verses 5-6) the importnce of becoming a "faithful new creation in Christ" more so than whether a follower of Yeshua/Jesus is MJ or MC ...

Galatians 5:5-6 (CJB)
5 For it is by the power of the Spirit, who works in us because we trust and are faithful, that we confidently expect our hope of attaining righteousness to be fulfilled.
6 When we are united with the Messiah Yeshua, neither being circumcised nor being uncircumcised matters; what matters is trusting faithfulness expressing itself through love.
Galatians 5:5-6 (NLT)
5 But we who live by the Spirit eagerly wait to receive by faith the righteousness God has promised to us.
6 For when we place our faith in Christ Jesus, there is no benefit in being circumcised or being uncircumcised. What is important is faith expressing itself in love.

Christianity is not so much a religion as it is an intimate faithful relationship with the Lord

All Becomes New · 2025-05-05T19:13:09-0500

AbbaLove said:
Yes, even today all 'born again, new creations in Yeshua' - Titus 3:5, put the emphsis on Galatians 5:5-6 If a MC godly man has never been circumcised should he now be circumcised in order to satisfy requirements of a Messianic Judaism congregation in order to be accepted as one of them? More than a few MJs would say he is not godly until he is circumcised. And so we find religion exists within MJ as well as MC.

A Messanic Christian (pro-Paul) that joins a MJ congregation is generally expected to follow certain Jewish requirements ... like not eating bacon (pork) and other laws of Judaism. Some Believers believe they will become more righteous as a MC/MJ than as a member of a mainline Christian church. Paul goes on to further emphasize (verses 5-6) the importnce of becoming a "faithful new creation in Christ" more so than whether a follower of Yeshua/Jesus is MJ or MC ...

Galatians 5:5-6 (CJB)
5 For it is by the power of the Spirit, who works in us because we trust and are faithful, that we confidently expect our hope of attaining righteousness to be fulfilled.
6 When we are united with the Messiah Yeshua, neither being circumcised nor being uncircumcised matters; what matters is trusting faithfulness expressing itself through love.
Galatians 5:5-6 (NLT)
5 But we who live by the Spirit eagerly wait to receive by faith the righteousness God has promised to us.
6 For when we place our faith in Christ Jesus, there is no benefit in being circumcised or being uncircumcised. What is important is faith expressing itself in love.

Christianity is not so much a religion as it is an intimate faithful relationship with the Lord

"If you love me, you will keep my commandments" is just as true as "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" and "If we have broken one of the commandments, we are guilty of breaking them all."

Realizing our own sinful nature is key to being redeemed. I can think of no holy man who realized his own holiness. "I am not worthy to untie his sandals."

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