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How do systems of self-development and christian spiritual formation differ?

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I've been looking into a writer. He was a Russian Greek / Armenian mystic called Gurdjieff. His ideas were then developed and published by one of his followers called P.D. Ouspensky. I'm just sort of trying to examine it to see what its about without getting into it.

Can anyone help me with these writers, are they occultists? What was their relationship if any with Christianity?

Gurdjieff differentiates his system from other Eastern ways of self-development that he studied during his travels in the East. He said there are three ways of development traditionally understood in Eastern Religion - the way of the Fakir (physical), the Monk (emotions) and the Yogi (mind). But each demand complete seclusion from the world. His system (called by various names eg. the Work, the Fourth Way etc.) he claimed can be applied within in the midst of ordinary life.

I haven't looked into it beyond reading a bit about it on Wikipedia.

But as to my original question, there are many writers more clearly within the Christian Faith, who write and speak on spiritual formation and there is the christian mystical tradition too. And then there are the self-help books and the various new age books.

With Gurdjieff he says we are only half awake, so he was obviously trying to awaken people more fully by his system of thought. But I don't think this necessarily corresponds to what christians would mean by a spiritual awakening.

Now years ago, I was exploring some of these spiritual paths, including some christian writers and i had an absolutely awful experience that I am not sure how to describe- whether it was what some call a "kundalini awakening" I don't know, but it was some sort of spiritual crisis or emergency. I don't want that to happen again.
 
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I've been looking into a writer. He was a Russian mystic called Gurdjieff and lived in the early part of the 20th century. His ideas were then developed and published by one of his followers called P.D. Ouspensky. I'm just sort of trying to examine it to see what its about without getting into it.

Can anyone help me with these writers, are they occultists? What was their relationship if any with Christianity?

Gurdjieff differentiates his system from other Eastern ways of self-development that he studied during his travels in the East. He said there are three ways of development traditionally understood in Eastern Religion - the way of the Fakir (physical), the Monk (emotions) and the Yogi (mind). But each demand complete seclusion from the world. His system (called by various names eg. the Work, the Fourth Way etc.) he claimed can be applied within in the midst of ordinary life.

I haven't looked into it beyond reading a bit about it on Wikipedia.

But as to my original question, there are many writers more clearly within the Christian Faith, who write and speak on spiritual formation and there is the christian mystical tradition too. And then there are the self-help books and the various new age books.

With Gurdjieff he says we are only half awake, so he was obviously trying to awaken people more fully by his system of thought. But I don't think this necessarily corresponds to what christians would mean by a spiritual awakening. These things seem fairly evident to me having over the years done a bit of study of theology, but in the past I would not have realised there is a difference in what some of these writers mean and what christians mean when they are talking about spiritual rebirth and growth.

Now years ago, I was exploring some of these spiritual paths, including some christian writers and i had an absolutely awful experience that I am not sure how to describe- whether it was what some call a "kundalini awakening" I don't know, but it was some sort of spiritual crisis or emergency. I don't want that to happen again.
Pretty much any system that attempts to " add" to the Gospel of Jesus Christ of Nazareth is headed in the wrong direction.
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I've been looking into a writer. He was a Russian mystic called Gurdjieff and lived in the early part of the 20th century. His ideas were then developed and published by one of his followers called P.D. Ouspensky. I'm just sort of trying to examine it to see what its about without getting into it.

Can anyone help me with these writers, are they occultists? What was their relationship if any with Christianity?

Gurdjieff differentiates his system from other Eastern ways of self-development that he studied during his travels in the East. He said there are three ways of development traditionally understood in Eastern Religion - the way of the Fakir (physical), the Monk (emotions) and the Yogi (mind). But each demand complete seclusion from the world. His system (called by various names eg. the Work, the Fourth Way etc.) he claimed can be applied within in the midst of ordinary life.

I haven't looked into it beyond reading a bit about it on Wikipedia.

But as to my original question, there are many writers more clearly within the Christian Faith, who write and speak on spiritual formation and there is the christian mystical tradition too. And then there are the self-help books and the various new age books.

With Gurdjieff he says we are only half awake, so he was obviously trying to awaken people more fully by his system of thought. But I don't think this necessarily corresponds to what christians would mean by a spiritual awakening. These things seem fairly evident to me having over the years done a bit of study of theology, but in the past I would not have realised there is a difference in what some of these writers mean and what christians mean when they are talking about spiritual rebirth and growth.

Now years ago, I was exploring some of these spiritual paths, including some christian writers and i had an absolutely awful experience that I am not sure how to describe- whether it was what some call a "kundalini awakening" I don't know, but it was some sort of spiritual crisis or emergency. I don't want that to happen again.
Spiritual formation:

Christian: Submission to Christ
Anything else: dung

God bless!
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I was learning recently a lot of Christian self-development teachers pull from those Eastern teachings. The Eastern Teachings are focused on unlocking your inner self, your true self, or your higher self. Often a way to do this is by prayer or meditation for example. So what a Christian self-development teacher will do is slap a cross on their book to make it look Christian, give a couple Bible verses about prayer, & then teach the Eastern teachings. Many of these Christian self-development teachers were discipled by Eastern Teachers. A lot of them will have very poor genuine Christian teaching. I think one that stands out is that they become very works-based. You develop yourself by being a better person by acts of charity. While charity is good, that neglects anything you do God has called you to do is good b/c you are glorifying him in all you do in line w/ his will, & you can rest in Christ's complete work

There's many ways Eastern teachings have come or are coming into the USA..............

I don't know as much about the kundalini thing, but that's one of the end-goals, a kind of physical excitement. You don't hear it enough from Christians but stay away from yoga! IT's not just stretching tho that's what it's marketed as. A lot of these Christian self-development teachers will encourage yoga
 
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