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Yes, if they've been voicing concerns about economic situations and putting emphasis on struggling to make ends meet, and they're turning down a paying job in their field for no other reasons than because a company lets a trans person in the bathroom, they're just as wrong as the Gen Z'ers I was talking about.
That's the question: what makes it wrong?
With regards to my stance on county clerks trying to deny marriage licenses, if you search for my username and "Kim Davis" (that was the high profile case where the Kentucky county clerk was trying to deny marriage licenses to gay couples), you'll see I've been pretty consistent on this. (albeit, a government employee is held to different standards, legally, than a person in the private sector).

Kim Davis was getting paid to be a clerk and issue licenses, her refusal to do so because she disagreed with court ruling was out of bounds.


The Colorado Baker situation was a different set of circumstances and not an apples-to-apples (which we can get into if you'd like)
It seems like you think the county clerk was wrong for different reasons that the college kids you are so bitter about. Why is that? Why is it not OK to complain about low pay in general and then turn down a particular job over some particular issue. Out of bounds? Who sets those bounds?
 
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I don't believe that was even part of the issue. It was merely politics. And it sounds like they wanted their bosses and companies to participate in political movements or agendas. Well, only certain ones. Then they didn't want their bosses to be political on things they didn't support.

I demand my boss not be political, and I demand my boss be political.
Which skirts the interesting question of why the issue of discriminatory practices in the workplace is political at all.
 
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That's the question: what makes it wrong?
If a person has very vocally made economic grievance a central focal point of their position, then turning down jobs of extraneous ideological matters means that were merely leveraging that economic grievance as a talking point, and it wasn't actually what they were concerned about.

As a hypothetical example -
For instance, if a person had spent the last six months incessantly complaining about the price of eggs, and a store pops up that says "great news, we're going to sell eggs for $2 per dozen", and that person's response is "nah, the person who owns that store doesn't agree with me on issue XYZ, so I won't be shopping there, I'll continue to pay $5 per dozen at the store that agrees with me while continuing to complain about the egg prices"

Then it was never really about the eggs in that scenario, it was about wanting to foist XYZ on everyone else.


It seems like you think the county clerk was wrong for different reasons that the college kids you are so bitter about. Why is that?
There's similarities and differences.

The main difference is:
A county clerk is a government employee being paid by tax dollars to provide a public service. Their refusal has more sweeping implications. Much like, if city garbage collector (being paid by the tax dollars) is refusing to pick up the trash at houses with rainbow flags. Those homeowners already paid for the service, and I being denied it after the money's gone.
 
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If a person has very vocally made economic grievance a central focal point of their position, then turning down jobs of extraneous ideological matters means that were merely leveraging that economic grievance as a talking point, and it wasn't actually what they were concerned about.

As a hypothetical example -
For instance, if a person had spent the last six months incessantly complaining about the price of eggs, and a store pops up that says "great news, we're going to sell eggs for $2 per dozen", and that person's response is "nah, the person who owns that store doesn't agree with me on issue XYZ, so I won't be shopping there, I'll continue to pay $5 per dozen at the store that agrees with me while continuing to complain about the egg prices"

Then it was never really about the eggs in that scenario, it was about wanting to foist XYZ on everyone else.
I don't see any "foisting" being done there at all.
There's similarities and differences.

The main difference is:
A county clerk is a government employee being paid by tax dollars to provide a public service. Their refusal has more sweeping implications. Much like, if city garbage collector (being paid by the tax dollars) is refusing to pick up the trash at houses with rainbow flags. Those homeowners already paid for the service, and I being denied it after the money's gone.
But the government employee is obliged to pick up everybody's trash. If he can't do that because of his opinion of rainbow flags and the people who fly them, he should quit the job. His opinion of the pay is a separate issue and he can quit his job over the rainbow flags even if he complains that the pay was too low and even if he has to go to work for less pay somewhere else. But you don't think college graduates should do such a thing? Why not?
 
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Perhaps if they'd stuck with just teaching "Cardiology" instead of "Justice in Cardiology: Heart health from the non-binary indigenous perspective" people wouldn't have gotten a little fed up with it.
Perhaps if cardiology treatments and outcomes were tested on people other than White men, the diagnoses, treatments and outcomes would have been better for those other types of people with heart disease. But now we don't have to worry about disparate outcomes as that sort of data will no longer be tracked or funded - and hopefully the medical databases have been properly purged. I have seen this approach described as "soft eugenics".
 
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I don't see any "foisting" being done there at all.
Per the stat I posted before, 80% of that generation wanting the corporate world to take a stand in their political favor (via public statements and contributions), and 40% refusing to work there if they don't, is foisting.

For example, if me and a bunch of people banded together in ways that threatened a business's ability to operate if they didn't use their outsized megaphone (and wallet) on our behalf to support our causes, and as a result, they capitulate do it, that is an attempt by us, cram down our viewpoints and policy initiatives on everyone else.
But you don't think college graduates should do such a thing? Why not?
Because its financial irresponsibility happening in the name of an unreasonable standard.

Whether it be a unionized government employee with job security and a pension walking away from the job because they don't want to encounter rainbow flags...

...or a recent graduate turning down a job in their field because they don't feel the company management is willing enough to advocate for political causes on their behalf...


My advice would be the same to both of them
"Suck it up buttercup. The world is complex, not everyone in the world is going to agree with you on everything, you have to learn to be able to coexist alongside the other half of the population that disagrees with you"

Setting an expectation of "career happiness in contingent on everyone agreeing with me, and my company's leadership proselytizing my ideological viewpoints" isn't realistic.
 
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Per the stat I posted before, 80% of that generation wanting the corporate world to take a stand in their political favor (via public statements and contributions), and 40% refusing to work there if they don't, is foisting.

For example, if me and a bunch of people banded together in ways that threatened a business's ability to operate if they didn't use their outsized megaphone (and wallet) on our behalf to support our causes, and as a result, they capitulate do it, that is an attempt by us, cram down our viewpoints and policy initiatives on everyone else.

Because its financial irresponsibility happening in the name of an unreasonable standard.
And you reserve to yourself the right to determine what is a reasonable standard. OK.
Whether it be a unionized government employee with job security and a pension walking away from the job because they don't want to encounter rainbow flags...

...or a recent graduate turning down a job in their field because they don't feel the company management is willing enough to advocate for political causes on their behalf...


My advice would be the same to both of them
"Suck it up buttercup. The world is complex, not everyone in the world is going to agree with you on everything, you have to learn to be able to coexist alongside the other half of the population that disagrees with you"
Not possible, since your half denies the existence of any other moral viewpoint but your own.
Setting an expectation of "career happiness in contingent on everyone agreeing with me, and my company's leadership proselytizing my ideological viewpoints" isn't realistic.
No, and despite your valient attempt at number juggling it really isn't happening all that much.
 
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And you reserve to yourself the right to determine what is a reasonable standard. OK.
According to a survey by Indeed and Harris Poll, approximately 40% of Gen Z and millennial workers (ages 18–34) indicated they would leave a job due to political differences in the workplace. In contrast, this sentiment was only shared by 18% of workers across all age groups, highlighting a significant generational divide in attitudes toward political alignment at work.


Outside of the Gen Z and millennials, it would appear that I'm in the large majority with regards to what's considered reasonable.
Not possible, since your half denies the existence of any other moral viewpoint but your own.
I'm not in a "half" per say...

But I don't deny the existence other "moral viewpoints", I simply understand that they're subjective, so one group shouldn't get to cry and stomp their feet make anyone else go along with theirs.
No, and despite your valient attempt at number juggling it really isn't happening all that much.
There was no juggling of numbers, there were stats...are the stats what you're referring to?

Here's the same stats, just from different sources.



If you want to consider numbers like > 40% as "not all that much", then we have a difference of opinion on what constitutes a noteworthy amount.
 
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According to a survey by Indeed and Harris Poll, approximately 40% of Gen Z and millennial workers (ages 18–34) indicated they would leave a job due to political differences in the workplace. In contrast, this sentiment was only shared by 18% of workers across all age groups, highlighting a significant generational divide in attitudes toward political alignment at work.


Outside of the Gen Z and millennials, it would appear that I'm in the large majority with regards to what's considered reasonable.
Good for you. Good for all of you. That means you've got the votes and can force them to take a job you approve of. You can even call out the National Guard like the old days. But I don't think, at least with as much of the Constitution as we have left, you can stop them from complaining about it.
I'm not in a "half" per say...

But I don't deny the existence other "moral viewpoints", I simply understand that they're subjective, so one group shouldn't get to cry and stomp their feet make anyone else go along with theirs.

There was no juggling of numbers, there were stats...are the stats what you're referring to?

Here's the same stats, just from different sources.



If you want to consider numbers like > 40% as "not all that much", then we have a difference of opinion on what constitutes a noteworthy amount.
It was the implication that the entire group was sitting at home in a sulk refusing to take good jobs.
 
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Good for you. Good for all of you. That means you've got the votes and can force them to take a job you approve of. You can even call out the National Guard like the old days. But I don't think, at least with as much of the Constitution as we have left, you can stop them from complaining about it.
Ah yes, having to (gasp) work in a place where not all of upper management voted the same way as you...yeah, that's exactly like Kent State 2.0.

Maybe Neil Young will write a song about the tragedy of working for a company that doesn't add a rainbow border to their social media page for the month of June.
It was the implication that the entire group was sitting at home in a sulk refusing to take good jobs.
No, the implication was that a significant portion of them would be willing to do that (based on their own words in survey/polling responses)

Unless you're suggesting that the 40% who gave that answer were blowing hot air and just saying that to the pollster to sound cool? (but wouldn't actually do it)
 
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Ah yes, having to (gasp) work in a place where not all of upper management voted the same way as you...yeah, that's exactly like Kent State 2.0.

Maybe Neil Young will write a song about the tragedy of working for a company that doesn't add a rainbow border to their social media page for the month of June.

No, the implication was that a significant portion of them would be willing to do that (based on their own words in survey/polling responses)

Unless you're suggesting that the 40% who gave that answer were blowing hot air and just saying that to the pollster to sound cool? (but wouldn't actually do it)
Some of them are, without doubt. Some of them will find jobs which meet their standards (there are quite a few) some will settle for much less than you think they want, some will even influence the culture of their workplace, some will start their own businesses or do gig work, and I suppose a few will stay at home and sulk, as a large slice of the blue collar class seems to want to do. I don't see the threat here, I don't see anything to be bitter about. I don't see how there is anything being "foisted." Unemployed recent college graduates really don't have all that much power in the labor market.
 
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Some of them are, without doubt. Some of them will find jobs which meet their standards (there are quite a few) some will settle for much less than you think they want, some will even influence the culture of their workplace, some will start their own businesses or do gig work, and I suppose a few will stay at home and sulk, as a large slice of the blue collar class seems to want to do. I don't see the threat here, I don't see anything to be bitter about. I don't see how there is anything being "foisted." Unemployed recent college graduates really don't have all that much power in the labor market.

If we're living in a society (and one that's contingent on everyone contributing in some way or another...and that does mean occasionally having to make some concessions pertaining to the jobs one does, and the ideological leanings of the people they're around at work)...

Then any noteworthy portion of the population opting to "sit it out" (over reasons of "I want the corporate culture to be this or that" or "I don't want to have to work in a place that doesn't advocate for the same political causes I do") is detrimental.

As is trying to forcefully change the "culture" at work.

Employer surveys are already reflecting this.

A recent survey by Intelligent.com, a business that provides college rankings and other educational resources, found that 75% of companies “report that some or all of the recent college graduates they hired this year were unsatisfactory.” The survey also found the majority of hiring managers believe today’s college graduates are entitled, easily offended and lack a work ethic.

Many companies have fired Gen Z workers just months after hiring them and several business owners said they are hesitant to bring on recent college graduates due to work ethic concerns, communication skills and readiness to do the job, according to the survey.

Six in 10 employers said they have already let go recent college graduates this year, while one in seven said they are inclined to refrain from hiring new graduates next year, according to a survey conducted by Intelligent.com.

Nguyen said business owners were wary of hiring those born around the turn of the century because they were “often unprepared for a less structured environment, workplace cultural dynamics and the expectation of autonomous work.” Younger workers are also seen as more likely to be “triggered” and galvanized by social media-driven political and social campaigns that could disrupt the workflow and create headaches for their bosses — particularly in light of the national turmoil witnessed in recent years.

Half of employers said Gen Z workers were most likely to display a lack of motivation, while 39% said they lacked communication skills, the survey found.

Nearly half (46%) said Gen Z workers showed a lack of professionalism on the job.



That's not a good sign.

And I've personally seen some of that play out (although thankfully, since we went to remote work, it doesn't happen much anymore), employees arguing about Ohio's abortion laws in the breakroom of an IT company is all downside with no upside.


When it comes to "trying to change the office culture", that can and does lead to issues and there is data to support that

A survey by Enhancv found that 31% of workers have experienced conflict at work involving political beliefs. Notably, Gen Z employees are 10 times more likely than baby boomers, and 4 times more likely than Gen X, to have been disciplined for creating workplace conflicts (involving politics).

According to a Glassdoor survey, only about 62% of Gen Z workers said they are comfortable working with people who have different political views from their own, compared to 83% of Millennials, and 87% of Gen Xers.
 
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If we're living in a society (and one that's contingent on everyone contributing in some way or another...and that does mean occasionally having to make some concessions pertaining to the jobs one does, and the ideological leanings of the people they're around at work)...
Nope. Employment is a free bargain between the employee and the employer. Both parties are free to make, or refuse to make, any concessions they like.
Then any noteworthy portion of the population opting to "sit it out" (over reasons of "I want the corporate culture to be this or that" or "I don't want to have to work in a place that doesn't advocate for the same political causes I do") is detrimental.
Detrimental to the individual's employment prospects, certainly.
As is trying to forcefully change the "culture" at work.

Employer surveys are already reflecting this.

A recent survey by Intelligent.com, a business that provides college rankings and other educational resources, found that 75% of companies “report that some or all of the recent college graduates they hired this year were unsatisfactory.” The survey also found the majority of hiring managers believe today’s college graduates are entitled, easily offended and lack a work ethic.

Many companies have fired Gen Z workers just months after hiring them and several business owners said they are hesitant to bring on recent college graduates due to work ethic concerns, communication skills and readiness to do the job, according to the survey.

Six in 10 employers said they have already let go recent college graduates this year, while one in seven said they are inclined to refrain from hiring new graduates next year, according to a survey conducted by Intelligent.com.

Nguyen said business owners were wary of hiring those born around the turn of the century because they were “often unprepared for a less structured environment, workplace cultural dynamics and the expectation of autonomous work.” Younger workers are also seen as more likely to be “triggered” and galvanized by social media-driven political and social campaigns that could disrupt the workflow and create headaches for their bosses — particularly in light of the national turmoil witnessed in recent years.

Half of employers said Gen Z workers were most likely to display a lack of motivation, while 39% said they lacked communication skills, the survey found.

Nearly half (46%) said Gen Z workers showed a lack of professionalism on the job.



That's not a good sign.

And I've personally seen some of that play out (although thankfully, since we went to remote work, it doesn't happen much anymore), employees arguing about Ohio's abortion laws in the breakroom of an IT company is all downside with no upside.


When it comes to "trying to change the office culture", that can and does lead to issues and there is data to support that

A survey by Enhancv found that 31% of workers have experienced conflict at work involving political beliefs. Notably, Gen Z employees are 10 times more likely than baby boomers, and 4 times more likely than Gen X, to have been disciplined for creating workplace conflicts (involving politics).

According to a Glassdoor survey, only about 62% of Gen Z workers said they are comfortable working with people who have different political views from their own, compared to 83% of Millennials, and 87% of Gen Xers.
Yes, that's all true. Don't forget, I'm a workforce development trainer and I see that kind of thing going on all the time. It's a real problem, but because I am dealing with it myself I know from experience that your proposed causes and solutions amount to nothing but channeling the prurient fantasies of right-wing religious MAGA extremists.

Have you ever read any Max Weber?
 
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Yes, that's all true. Don't forget, I'm a workforce development trainer and I see that kind of thing going on all the time. It's a real problem, but because I am dealing with it myself I know from experience that your proposed causes and solutions amount to nothing but channeling the prurient fantasies of right-wing religious MAGA extremists.
If the changes in focus within the academia system (drifting away from values-neutral environment, toward a more advocacy/activist leaning environment) isn't the cause, then I'd be curious as to what other massive changes line up with that overall shift.

...I'm speaking in regards to this bit
only about 62% of Gen Z workers said they are comfortable working with people who have different political views from their own, compared to 83% of Millennials, and 87% of Gen Xers.


Gen X'ers and Millennials seem to be largely okay with working alongside people with different political views, there's a drastic shift that appears to be happening with Gen Z.

I've heard the theory that it's the prevalence of social media, but plenty of millennials had frequent access to social media.

And in a lot of cases, both millennials and Gen Z were raised by Gen X parents.

So how do we end up with such a disparity in terms of the aforementioned statistic?

What other sources (and types) of influence would Gen Z have had, that Millennials didn't, that would lead so many more to the conclusion of "I'm not comfortable working around anyone that different political views"?

It's not a "MAGA" thing...I didn't vote for Trump in any of the 3 elections he was an option in.

Have you ever read any Max Weber?
vaguely familiar with him... (specifically, the "cage" metaphor) although it's been a few years.

Basically, if a person is born into a structured society, it limits their creativity (and ability to experiment) because in order to survive in the structured society, one has to play by the pre-established rules in it to get by... Fair summary of his theory?

If that's the theory in particular you're referring to, then where I think my conclusion would differ, is that "the rules of a structured society" aren't a purely design flaw or power grab or an "unhealthy fixation on efficiency", but rather an organic outcome based on the fact that humans are wired to detect patterns and repeatable outcomes (both good ones and bad ones) and hierarchies, so I don't see that as entirely being a bad thing.

Many of the structures we have weren't just made-up overnight, many of the result gradual built-up and modification over time after hundreds and hundreds of years of trying various things and observing some things working and other things not working.

Just as a very simplistic example...

Our "established societal rules" dictates that kids shouldn't be playing around with fire, and thus, we perceive any parent who allows their child to do so as being very irresponsible.

Does that established norm limit a kid's potential exploration and creativity with regards to learning things about fire and combustion? Sure, but that norm was created because people probably observed that when kids play with fire, there's higher chances for things accidently getting burned down, and people getting hurt.
 
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If the changes in focus within the academia system (drifting away from values-neutral environment, toward a more advocacy/activist leaning environment) isn't the cause, then I'd be curious as to what other massive changes line up with that overall shift.
There's no such thing as a "values-neutral environment."
...I'm speaking in regards to this bit
only about 62% of Gen Z workers said they are comfortable working with people who have different political views from their own, compared to 83% of Millennials, and 87% of Gen Xers.


Gen X'ers and Millennials seem to be largely okay with working alongside people with different political views, there's a drastic shift that appears to be happening with Gen Z.

I've heard the theory that it's the prevalence of social media, but plenty of millennials had frequent access to social media.

And in a lot of cases, both millennials and Gen Z were raised by Gen X parents.

So how do we end up with such a disparity in terms of the aforementioned statistic?

What other sources (and types) of influence would Gen Z have had, that Millennials didn't, that would lead so many more to the conclusion of "I'm not comfortable working around anyone that different political views"?

It's not a "MAGA" thing...I didn't vote for Trump in any of the 3 elections he was an option in.


vaguely familiar with him... (specifically, the "cage" metaphor) although it's been a few years.

Basically, if a person is born into a structured society, it limits their creativity (and ability to experiment) because in order to survive in the structured society, one has to play by the pre-established rules in it to get by... Fair summary of his theory?
LOL! Except for the main point--the role the Protestant church played in establishing that structure and why they did it the way they did.
If that's the theory in particular you're referring to, then where I think my conclusion would differ, is that "the rules of a structured society" aren't a purely design flaw or power grab or an "unhealthy fixation on efficiency", but rather an organic outcome based on the fact that humans are wired to detect patterns and repeatable outcomes (both good ones and bad ones) and hierarchies, so I don't see that as entirely being a bad thing.

Many of the structures we have weren't just made-up overnight, many of the result gradual built-up and modification over time after hundreds and hundreds of years of trying various things and observing some things working and other things not working.
And many of them are quite recent, arbitrary, and self serving. In any case they are subject to change, as the nature of what constitutes "work" in our society changes.
Just as a very simplistic example...

Our "established societal rules" dictates that kids shouldn't be playing around with fire, and thus, we perceive any parent who allows their child to do so as being very irresponsible.

Does that established norm limit a kid's potential exploration and creativity with regards to learning things about fire and combustion? Sure, but that norm was created because people probably observed that when kids play with fire, there's higher chances for things accidently getting burned down, and people getting hurt.
Do you see the authority of an employer as "parental?"
 
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I've heard the theory that it's the prevalence of social media, but plenty of millennials had frequent access to social media.

And in a lot of cases, both millennials and Gen Z were raised by Gen X parents.

So how do we end up with such a disparity in terms of the aforementioned statistic?

What other sources (and types) of influence would Gen Z have had, that Millennials didn't, that would lead so many more to the conclusion of "I'm not comfortable working around anyone that different political views"?
While Millennials and Gen Z have had similar access to social media, the difference is in its pervasiveness. I'm a middle Millennial (born in '89). Social media didn't even really exist until I was in high school (Myspace launched in 2003, just before my freshman year, and Facebook was opened up to non-.edu emails a couple years later), and you still had to sit at a computer to use it until I got to college (first iPhone was released in 2007). It took a few more years for smartphones to really take off (I'd put it around 2010-2012 for when they really became ubiquitous). While a lot of millennials have embraced smartphones and social media wholeheartedly, pretty much all of us went through at least some portion of our childhoods without those things. The algorithms also weren't nearly as aggressive or predatory at first - Facebook started really going downhill sometime around 2014/2015. Gen Z on the other hand, which is generally accepted to start around 1997/1998, has been immersed in social media for pretty much their entire lives. Politics has been increasingly pushed through social media since Trump's first campaign as well, so kids are becoming politically aware much earlier than they used to. I can vaguely remember my school holding a mock election in 2000, when I was in middle school, but aside from knowing that Bush was a Republican and Gore was a Democrat, none of us really understood what was going on. Today, I can guarantee you that a group of 11-year-olds would have a much better grasp of politics (or, at least, stronger opinions on the subject) than I or any of my peers did at that age.

But, again, I think a large part of Gen Z's intolerance of political differences is that they've grown up with Tea Party/Trumpism/MAGA being the face of the Republican Party. As a millennial, I'm old enough to remember a time when bipartisanship still existed, and thus have hope that one day it will return (even though that hope grows slimmer by the day). But bipartisanship (IMO) died in 2010, with McConnell's declaration that his chief goal as the incoming Senate majority leader would be to make Obama a one-term president. The oldest members of Gen Z were barely teenagers at the time, so that's been the reality of politics for the entirety of their political awareness - the two primary parties exist for the sole purpose of tearing each other down out of spite.
 
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Trump proposes $65M cut for Howard University

In his budget request to Congress on Friday, Trump proposed cutting $65 million in federal funding for Howard.

The proposal comes days after Trump signed an order establishing a White House initiative on HBCUs to “deliver high-quality education to a growing number of students.” Earlier this week, the president also told NewsNation that HBCUs should not be concerned about federal funding cuts to their budgets.

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There's no such thing as a "values-neutral environment."
Maybe not perfectly neutral, but more neutral than "instructors heading out with the students to protest the school's refusal to divest in every company that does business in Israel"
LOL! Except for the main point--the role the Protestant church played in establishing that structure and why they did it the way they did.
Could that just be a regional lens though?

Like a scenario where whatever religion happened to be the prominent one of a specific area alongside the "rise of capitalistic structures" is going to be the one that gets the blame? (for those trying to blame a religious viewpoint for the negative aspects of capitalism)

For example, a lot of the same structures and practices came about (with similar paces of trajectory) in places like Italy and Spain (which were overwhelmingly Catholic).

One could even say that tying it to any particular brand of Christianity would be a bit too "Euro-centric", as similar patterns popped up in East Asian societies.

Could it perhaps be that in a market-based society (where demand precedes supply), any society's structures and product offerings are going to have some level of reflection of the viewpoints and values of that society?


If we had a society where 90% of people like hamburgers, and only 10% liked hotdogs, we wouldn't expect to see as many hot dog restaurants.

We wouldn't say "capitalism (and the structures that go with it) were just a power grab mechanism by hamburger eaters to build society around themselves and box out the people who like hot dogs -- in a fair society, there would be an equal number of hamburger stands and hot dog stands"

Do you see the authority of an employer as "parental?"
There are some resemblances.

Employers/Parents have a bigger vested interest in keeping the business/house in order.
Both act as final decision makers in scenarios where, left to their own devices, employees/kids would either not be able to reach a decision, or left to their own devices, would make a potentially detrimental decision. (that's not to say that bosses/parents can't make bad decisions)
Both will occasionally make people do something they perhaps don't want to do, perhaps for reasons they may not grasp yet.
 
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Maybe not perfectly neutral, but more neutral than "instructors heading out with the students to protest the school's refusal to divest in every company that does business in Israel"

Could that just be a regional lens though?

Like a scenario where whatever religion happened to be the prominent one of a specific area alongside the "rise of capitalistic structures" is going to be the one that gets the blame? (for those trying to blame a religious viewpoint for the negative aspects of capitalism)
Who said that was a negative aspect? In any case it has ever been the function of organized religion in society to help maintain an orderly and productive workforce. Calvin didn't invent the idea, he just changed the rules a little.
For example, a lot of the same structures and practices came about (with similar paces of trajectory) in places like Italy and Spain (which were overwhelmingly Catholic).

One could even say that tying it to any particular brand of Christianity would be a bit too "Euro-centric", as similar patterns popped up in East Asian societies.
They had Confucious--much the same thing.
Could it perhaps be that in a market-based society (where demand precedes supply), any society's structures and product offerings are going to have some level of reflection of the viewpoints and values of that society?


If we had a society where 90% of people like hamburgers, and only 10% liked hotdogs, we wouldn't expect to see as many hot dog restaurants.

We wouldn't say "capitalism (and the structures that go with it) were just a power grab mechanism by hamburger eaters to build society around themselves and box out the people who like hot dogs -- in a fair society, there would be an equal number of hamburger stands and hot dog stands"
Of course. But capitalism can be warped and used for that purpose. It should not go unnoticed that the only two people on the political scene today who are unabashed supporters of free market capitalism are Bernie and AOC.
There are some resemblances.

Employers/Parents have a bigger vested interest in keeping the business/house in order.
Both act as final decision makers in scenarios where, left to their own devices, employees/kids would either not be able to reach a decision, or left to their own devices, would make a potentially detrimental decision. (that's not to say that bosses/parents can't make bad decisions)
Both will occasionally make people do something they perhaps don't want to do, perhaps for reasons they may not grasp yet.
It is clear where the governing authority of a parent comes from. I'm not so sure about a business owner.
 
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