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Actually, it is hypocritical behavior.

Because many of those same young people are the ones who lecture everyone else about how "we need our institutions" and pushing for things like expanding social safety nets and protecting social programs like Medicaid and social security.

In order to expand (or even just maintain) those programs, you need people paying taxes.

And in order for people to pay those taxes, they need .....drumroll..... a job.
Do you think that there are only morally questionable jobs?
 
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If that's what you think, then maybe "common core" was more effective than it sounded to me at the time.
Effective at what?

Making people so fragile that they need a mental health day after an election that doesn't go their way?
 
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And if they did the exact opposite thing, you'd accuse them of being hypocritical because they took jobs that don't follow their moral compass.

Can't please everyone, and some people, you just can't please.

No, I wouldn't, in fact, I've stated on here before in other threads that people insisting that they have an "entitlement" to be paid to do a thing they're passionate about with a boss they love, completely on their terms, is an unrealistic expectation.

And I've been fair in critiquing some of the conservatives on that when they insist that they're somehow entitled to do the job they want, in their hometown they want to keep living there without having to relocate. (in conversations about jobs drying up in smaller towns, and the demand for protectionism measures aimed at trying to on-shore manufacturing jobs back into areas that have dried up)


In that thread about 3-4 months back I stated that the practical reality for most people is:
1) comfortable living wage
2) passion
3) location

...you can pick 2 out of the 3. (very few are able to have all 3...and in some cases, people are limited to just choosing one of those)

If you want to make a comfortable wage at a job you're passionate about, there's a chance you'll have to move

If you want to have a job you're passionate about, and insist on a specific location, there's a chance you may not rake in the $$

If you want a comfortable wage and demand a specific location you want to live in, there's a good chance you'll have to take a job you may not be passionate about
 
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Effective at what?

Making people so fragile that they need a mental health day after an election that doesn't go their way?
Making people emotionally intelligent enough to realize they needed a "mental health day" to process a disaster like that particular election.
 
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That should be the takeaway for any patriotic American and certainly anyone who is a Christian. It's the same as not wanting to sell wedding cakes to gays. You don't need a college course for that, all you need is moral compass.
I'm beginning to see an issue here. You seem to think moral stances and political stances are the same thing. The problem you run into is rhat they are not. And I don't understand the whole moral argument from the left anyway, since most don't believe in objective morality anyway. It's all subjective.

So every patriotic American should be a moral relativist who can tell a boss to shove it because he doesn't agree with you politically.

And apparently patriots are those who sponge off others because they don't want to work for a company that doesn't align with their sociopolitical beliefs.

You know when I grew up we got jobs because we needed money to live on. I really had no clue what that bosses or company believed sociopolitically. I just needed money to pay my rent, car payment, clothes and groceries. I didn't tell my boss I wasnt going to do something because I didn't feel like it. Because you know, my feelings are all that matter.
 
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In that thread about 3-4 months back I stated that the practical reality for most people is:
1) comfortable living wage
2) passion
3) location

...you can pick 2 out of the 3. (very few are able to have all 3...and in some cases, people are limited to just choosing one of those)

If you want to make a comfortable wage at a job you're passionate about, there's a chance you'll have to move

If you want to have a job you're passionate about, and insist on a specific location, there's a chance you may not rake in the $$

If you want a comfortable wage and demand a specific location you want to live in, there's a good chance you'll have to take a job you may not be passionate about
I completely agree. When I moved to the area I was looking for a job. I worked a number of jobs that I was not passionate about. Most paid an okay wage. I was even laid off of a job that I really enjoyed doing due to lack of work.
All those things you said are very true. None of us is entitled to all three. We are very lucky if we find them. It's not impossible of course. I eventually found mine even though I didn't realize it at first.
 
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Making people emotionally intelligent enough to realize they needed a "mental health day" to process a disaster like that particular election.
Perhaps instilling them with the notion of "not getting your way on everything" = "disaster" wasn't a good move.

A person thinking they're going to get their way all the time, and never face any resistance or pushback, and it's the end of the world if it doesn't play out that way isn't a trait I'd associate with intelligence.

It would seem to me that critical thinking would've dictated that they'd have been able to assess things beforehand, evaluate the evidence, and recognize "Hey, there's half of the country that doesn't agree with us right now, they don't seem swayed by our appeals to emotion, the further we try to push, the more they did their heels in, ...there's a very real chance we could lose this one"


There was a time where "temper tantrum because you didn't get your way" was considered being spoiled.
 
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Making people emotionally intelligent enough to realize they needed a "mental health day" to process a disaster like that particular election.
Emotionally intelligent enough to know they are terribly emotionally fragile? Something doesn't go their way so they are so distraught they can't even go to school? School is about the easiest thing to attend. We are feeding them the nonsense that everything is about them and their feelings. We are not teaching anyone about the necessity of resilience and strength in the face of adversity. We are teaching them to melt down and everyone else has to cater to their softness.
 
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No, I wouldn't, in fact, I've stated on here before in other threads that people insisting that they have an "entitlement" to be paid to do a thing they're passionate about with a boss they love, completely on their terms, is an unrealistic expectation.

And I've been fair in critiquing some of the conservatives on that when they insist that they're somehow entitled to do the job they want, in their hometown they want to keep living there without having to relocate. (in conversations about jobs drying up in smaller towns, and the demand for protectionism measures aimed at trying to on-shore manufacturing jobs back into areas that have dried up)


In that thread about 3-4 months back I stated that the practical reality for most people is:
1) comfortable living wage
2) passion
3) location

...you can pick 2 out of the 3. (very few are able to have all 3...and in some cases, people are limited to just choosing one of those)

If you want to make a comfortable wage at a job you're passionate about, there's a chance you'll have to move

If you want to have a job you're passionate about, and insist on a specific location, there's a chance you may not rake in the $$

If you want a comfortable wage and demand a specific location you want to live in, there's a good chance you'll have to take a job you may not be passionate about
That's all very ugly and self-serving, but now you are complaining about (and exaggerating the number of) university graduates who have a moral objection to the policies of their boss or their workplace.
 
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Emotionally intelligent enough to know they are terribly emotionally fragile? Something doesn't go their way so they are so distraught they can't even go to school? School is about the easiest thing to attend. We are feeding them the nonsense that everything is about them and their feelings. We are not teaching anyone about the necessity of resilience and strength in the face of adversity. We are teaching them to melt down and everyone else has to cater to their softness.
Is that why you think it is a good idea to dial up some adversity for them? To toughen them?
 
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Is that why you think it is a good idea to dial up some adversity for them? To toughen them?
For the emotionally fragile and the unstable ones, destroying property should be placed in Time out.
 
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No, I wouldn't, in fact, I've stated on here before in other threads that people insisting that they have an "entitlement" to be paid to do a thing they're passionate about with a boss they love, completely on their terms, is an unrealistic expectation.

And I've been fair in critiquing some of the conservatives on that when they insist that they're somehow entitled to do the job they want, in their hometown they want to keep living there without having to relocate. (in conversations about jobs drying up in smaller towns, and the demand for protectionism measures aimed at trying to on-shore manufacturing jobs back into areas that have dried up)


In that thread about 3-4 months back I stated that the practical reality for most people is:
1) comfortable living wage
2) passion
3) location

...you can pick 2 out of the 3. (very few are able to have all 3...and in some cases, people are limited to just choosing one of those)

If you want to make a comfortable wage at a job you're passionate about, there's a chance you'll have to move

If you want to have a job you're passionate about, and insist on a specific location, there's a chance you may not rake in the $$

If you want a comfortable wage and demand a specific location you want to live in, there's a good chance you'll have to take a job you may not be passionate about
So now the goal poasts have shifted from doing morally dubious work to something one is "passionate" about?
 
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For the emotionally fragile and the unstable ones, destroying property should be placed in Time out.
Yeah, but right now we're talking about the 50% of university graduates who have refused to hold down jobs that conflict with their moral values.
 
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So, in a nutshell, they're going to be shoehorning critical theory about race, class, and gender into climate change classes through an "oppressed vs. oppressor" lens... like what I mentioned before.
Maybe. But again, the courses don't exist yet. So you're guessing, and then getting outraged at your guesses. It's quite silly when you take a step back.
 
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No, that's the actual acronym now.

:rolleyes:
It's not off topic, it stemmed from a direct inquiry from another poster who asked me the question "How does the integration of these types of ideas cause harm to society".

A bunch of working aged people turning down work, or refusing to do assignments at work, because they think they're entitled to have everyone in authority positions agreeing with them politically, is detrimental to society.


You do realize that if you or I want to be able to leverage social security and Medicaid (after we've paid into it for all these years), we do need them to be employable and not have half of them refusing to do their job, or picking unemployment over employment options because "the VP of that company doesn't believe in having gender neutral bathrooms"

If 20 years from now, I get critically injured in a car accident, I'd prefer to not hear the words uttered "sorry, but there's no paramedics here to help, a republican won the election, so they had to take the day off and pet therapy goats in order to focus on their mental health"
I'm not even sure what that was all about, but don't bother.
Can't lay all of the blame on the parents. If that were the case, then we'd see outcomes where all of the kids in the same family turning out the same way. That's not the case. If you have a family where 3 of the kids got into various trades and are just fine, and one goes to NYU for women's studies and comes back 6 years later and is the "holiday gathering ruiner" while the other ones are still normal, that's not the parents, that's something that happened at NYU (and yes, that's a reference to my cousins)
Is this all just because there is an annoying SJW in your family?
To circle back to the original point, if Harvard (or any college) is engaging in political promotion, then their non-profit status should be in question.

If an entity said, "We're not explicitly telling anyone to vote republican, we're just encouraging them to be pro-life, pro-gun, anti-environment laws, anti-regulation, anti-LGBT, anti-universal healthcare, and anti-immigration", we'd throw a flag on the play.
Hillsdale still has their non-profit status (and no suggestion they should lose it) and they are far closer to pure ideology and even partisanship than any of the fantasies you put forth about Harvard or other major universities.
 
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President Donald Trump has called for Harvard University to lose a valuable tax break, hours after his administration announced it is freezing more than $2bn (£1.5bn) in federal funds for the elite institution.

The White House has demanded the oldest university in the US make changes to hiring, admissions and teaching practices which it says will help fight antisemitism on campus. [Harvard said 'No thanks.']

In a Tuesday morning post on social media, Trump threatened to go beyond withholding the federal funds and targeted Harvard tax-exempt status.

Later on Tuesday, White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said Trump wanted the university to apologise for what his administration says is continuing tolerance of antisemitism.

"[Trump] wants to see Harvard apologize, and Harvard should apologize," Leavitt said.
Trump seems to be opening himself up to a major law suit.
 
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Is that why you think it is a good idea to dial up some adversity for them? To toughen them?
Is that why you think it is a good idea to dial up some adversity for them? To toughen them?
Looks through my posts........

Nope never said that. Juat curious, Why did you believe it was necessary to make a false claim?
 
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That's all very ugly and self-serving, but now you are complaining about (and exaggerating the number of) university graduates who have a moral objection to the policies of their boss or their workplace.
Nothing I said was self-serving there about the pragmatic realities about the nature of work and job market with regards to the pay/passion/location dynamic.

It's all very reasonable.


With regards to the numbers, I didn't exaggerate anything, I linked (and copied and pasted directly from) a reliable source that provided the percentages of Gen Z's and millennials (67% went to college after HS) who've refused to do an assignment, and who've rejected an employer due to sociopolitical objections.

The numbers are what they are:
According to Deloitte's 2024 Global Gen Z and Millennial Survey, 44% of Gen Zs and 40% of Millennials reported turning down job opportunities based on personal politics or beliefs.

Furthermore, an additional stat from the same source:
a separate report highlighted that 75% of Gen Z college graduates said they are unwilling to work for companies with opposing political views, and 33% are unwilling to work for a company that doesn't have sufficiently diverse leadership.


So these are by no means fringe viewpoints or "silly sounding cherry picked outliers" among the younger college graduates.
 
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So now the goal poasts have shifted from doing morally dubious work to something one is "passionate" about?
Just curious, since we are throwing around morally dubious work. Who made the claim someone asked them to do morally dubious work? And what what was that morally dubious work they were asked to do?
 
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