That would be appreciated, but i hope you're will to wait. i am unable to write a message like that this late, i need to rest, i hope you have a good night.
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Of course, take your time, think about it. No need to hurry, put your best foot forward. And let's continue this specific stuff about my friend in private messages.
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I'm assuming that you don't play videos games, otherwise your position would seem to be extremely hypocritical. Essentially you'd be against creating video games yourself, but fine with paying someone else to make them.
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You need to follow what you feel God is leading you to do. Stay in his word and continue to pray about it. I would talk to the elders of my Church as about it as well to get some guidance on this issue.
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Oh please, don't start with the accusations. I play games, but that does not contradict my feelings on if i personally should work with them. I never claimed that i am against anyone else working in the industry.
Don't be such a pessimist.
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It's extremely hypocritical. It's like saying that you wouldn't be a cameraman for porn movies, but you'll still watch them. If the video game industry is so riddled with satanist imagery and references that you refuse to be involved with creating them, then why on earth would you support the gaming industry by playing them.
That's the epitome of hypocritical.
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They didn’t address the question, how are you going to fill the hours waiting on the tribulation? How is working another job while you wait acceptable?
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From someone who has an English B.A. and spent some healthy time analyzing comics, I think you're getting your intuition mixed up a bit. You're right, but also wrong. Christian comic art and games are actually used as spiritual battle pieces, they are fighting battles instead of entertaining people. That's because games and comics are storytelling at their root, once you get above Minesweeper and Pac-Man. It's prose.
But that's really hard to see if all you are looking at is unbeliever-produced comics and video games. Talk about sexuality and violence! If that's all you're looking at, no wonder you're becoming discouraged! The more I look at unbeliever literature and poetry, the more discouraged I feel. It's the ugly sensation that there is no room for me in this field. Unbelievers use stories to soothe their emotional pain (entertainment), Christians use them to flex. Check out God's sovereignty! My God is cooler than your idol! He's actually for real and He actually loves and helps people! Burn.
It would behoove you to look at Christian stories and games are constructed before you give up on the idea that your creative abilities cannot be used for God's glory and honor. If you haven't seen the Kendrick's brothers' movies, aka Facing the Giants, Flywheel, War Room, Fireproof, etc, I would encourage you to review those.
Also, I suggest getting out the Wayback machine and type theaetherlight.com into the search bar one day, that will give you some food for thought. The Aetherlight was a VERY high quality Christian game when it first came out, but it did not persist because the founders' vision for the game outran their ability to make money and turn a profit. I trust that you would not be so financially irresponsible. There are also YouTube videos of gameplay for that game still available on the Internet, even through the game is no more. But the biggest lesson that I took away from The Aetherlight was simple: if you're doing a ministry, you need to run your organization like a ministry and take donations. Unbelievers won't fund preaching the gospel because they are opposed to it, there's nothing in it for them to support. When you start telling stories about Christians defeating dark principalities and evil philosophies in the power of the Holy Spirit, you declare war against unbeliever interests.
But that is beside the point. Christian video games and stories are spiritual battle pieces for some pretty obvious reasons. Prose is good guys versus the bad guys, so if we throw Christian ideas into a prose framework, we get Christians (the good guys) versus Satan and his dark powers (the bad guys). From an epistemological perspective, prose examines God's sovereignty, the play by play of what happens when you take up the full armor of God and get to work. At least, that's the Kendricks' Brothers approach and the approach of the Bibleman series of movies. The other approach, which the Aetherlight and VeggieTales did, is to retell Biblical stories with some changes in names or setting elements. Frankly, I think a video game that allows someone to straight-up play through biblical history would have some merit. It would need some type of time travel or immortality mechanic to work properly though. (Maybe playing as an angel? But that loses the Salvation level-up superpower at the end!)
As for comics/cartoons, it might be helpful to know that art is examination of God's creation. I have this big book near my bed called How To Draw and Paint by Stan Smith that really brings that home. I'm sure you know that comics have scripts, just like movies, though. So reviewing movie storytelling with Save the Cat! might be a good idea. A better idea to start is to look for Christian comics to feed your mind on. I actually have a copy of a graphic novel of the Bible in Spanish called El Bien y El Mal: The Bible As Graphic Novel by Michael Pearl. So that medium isn't dead for Christian storytelling either. You just need to put clothes on your characters, and keep the clothes on your characters. More swords (of the Spirit and otherwise!). Most comic artists are funded by Patreon these days, so you don't even have to change the strokes of your business. Produce quality work, and you will pay your rent that way. (But don't post the Patreon link on CF, or you will be banned! Let us find you!)
Now, if only there were more Christian literary journals to submit poetry to...
(That's another medium that examines God's creation, like art does.)The party you're looking for is here: Christian Game Project - could you help? They are in that thread.
Go forth, and may the Lord be with you!
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I think that statement describes many watchers of porn movies. Describing people as hypocrites because they shy away from such an action seems extreme.
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I feel that christian entertainment is only good when it doesn't try too hard to be christian. Veggietales is a good example. The makers of veggietales didn't try too hard to preach and use their show as a soapbox. They set out to make something entertaining and then put a christian bend on parts of it. They might have used biblical stories as the basis for some of their stories, but they weren't slaves to the source material and mixed things up plenty. Most people who try to create christian entertainment start by trying to make something christian and then try to put an entertaining bend on it, and they hold the bible so dear that they don't dare to stray away from it or do something else. And then they fail both with believers and non-believers, since the believers don't have to be told that the christian god is awesome for the thousandth time, and the nonbelievers have also been told that messages plenty of times, and in the end both sides still want to spend their entertainment budget on things that actually entertain them.
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I don’t think games are inherently sinful at all.
It depends on the content and a lot of companies lean into what sells, but there’s a big difference between Hearts of Iron and some hyper sexualised gacha game.
That said, being a creator is virtually impossible if you’re thinking of trying to become a successful streamer or YouTuber.
Choose a practical path and play around with the other stuff on the side.
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Spoken like a true unbeliever who wants to be entertained.
You can rest assured that I am not into religious moralizing when I start storytelling, though. The best stories for me are always more “gossip column” than preachy stuff. There’s nothing better than a good game of forum mafia that is hosted correctly, because that narrative told by the host shamelessly analyzes the foibles of each of the players. I used to be a wickedly good game host for Mafia and similar forum games back in the day, and sometimes I even get nostalgia for that time in my life.
(This forum would never allow a mafia game to be hosted though, it breaks many rules in the TOS.)
Likewise, you’ve probably never witnessed this phenomenon, but some Christians use stories to personally attack each other. When I get out my prose pen, it is always at someone’s expense, guaranteed. Now I can dress it up in religious language and say that I’m spiritual battling (and I am) but it’s also me just being violent and aggressive. Part of why I lean toward “gossip column” type of stories is that I am terrible at making conceptual villains, so all of my villains are disguised or divided portions of real people I am having a personal conflict with. It’s just so satisfying in a mafia type situation to not have to disguise it and to just name the person! Let us go to war!
(I think this is part of why people like the political subforums here, telling/reposting stories at the expense of politicians. They are an easy target for this kind of gossipy storytelling until you grow up and realize that they really don’t care about you at all.)
And that’s why, by extension, I am linux.poet and not linux.prose.
There are many Scripture verses against gossip of all kinds (and murder!!!), besides the fact that poetry uses more of my personal talents. That doesn’t fully get me away from evil temptation, because prose poetry exists. The second poem I got published was so incredibly savage! But it does make more room for the Light, elevating the conversation into spiritual things.However, I presume that the OP of this thread does not have the same problems that I have, as he was mentioning concepts in his first post. That means he’s more comfortable with the idea of conceptual villain making and doesn’t have my problems with punching by proxy.
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The story of Esther they told was so good. Me and my brother watched that over and over again. Granted, we also watched the Bibleman movies over and over again, so I guess our standards were pretty low. But the reason you rewatch those isn’t to hear Bibleman’s preachy moralizing, it’s to laugh at the villains on the show who point out Bibleman’s faults, and all of the dumb jokes the other characters make at Bibleman’s expense. I actually think Willie Aames meant that series as a straight-up children kids series to teach kids the Gospel and the power of Scripture memorization, but I think it’s worth analyzing as a satire of preachy Christian media in general when you consider all the jokes and references at the expense of the main character, and that Aames wrote all the scripts for the films he appeared in as Bibleman.
Ah come on, this post sounds like my dad! No fun!
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I think that most christians also want to be entertained when they spend money for entertainment media like video games.Spoken like a true unbeliever who wants to be entertained.
I would love to try out an entertaining christian video game. I just haven't found one, yet. I'm open to suggestions. I did enjoy Pillars of the Earth and Kingdom Come, but I am not sure if those should be called a christian video game just because they play in the middle ages and had christian themes because of that.
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I know, but it's just the reality. Even D1 athletes are told to make the most of their scholarships because even if they're one of the few that make their respective elite league, chances of them lasting are just as slim.
Same with content creation. It's so saturated.
The folks with the best approach, in my opinion, are already good at something professionally in isolation of content creation, but share that and sometimes it catches on, sometimes it doesn't, but they at least have a reliable skill set or career to support themselves.
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No, they want to subject their children to whatever so-called content it is and then use it to talk with their children about whatever the meaning it has to convince the children to accept the Gospel. Christian parents are very invested in the spiritual salvation and growth of their children. That’s why the Aetherlight existed for awhile and not something else. That’s why my dad bought a bunch of dumb movies at the Christian bookstore based on message and would yell “that’s a good one!” at the screen when the movie said something that agreed with Christian values; and it’s why the website pluggedin.com existed for so long. (Plugged In comically ignored entertainment quality in its reviews.) There are actually Christians out there who enjoy preachy moralistic content purely because they agree with it, they don’t think about entertainment quality, and they are a huge market segment.
With that being said, I can’t really speak to Christian video games in general because I’m not aware of any besides the Aetherlight. But the Aetherlight fits the standard “evangelise your kid” model. That should not be underestimated as a market driver in the Christian media scene. Parental anxiety over the eternal destiny of their child is a big driver of sales.
I’ve already drunk too much of the poison on that, I have web design and English college degrees, way too far gone for you to rescue me.
Honestly though, I find myself drawn into market research and business market evaluation because of my knowledge of internet marketing, which I suppose is more “practical”, heh. That’s what is keeping me afloat financially at the moment. Someone with my qualifications could get a job at the DEA researching criminals or do work for a think tank. So I do think that young people should go for the skills they actually want and worry about the practicalities later. Said practicalities will seep into even the most delusional brain eventually. It is wise to allow young people (such as the OP) time to negotiate with the world on where they want to be, rather than crushing their ambitions with a hammer.
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There is actually a game of my religion fluttering around on steam, but I don't think it's very good for indoctrination purposes.
It is fun, though, in a confusing way.
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As far as I know, other religions aren’t nearly as invested in evangelism as Christianity is - they want to get the passionate true adherents who are willing to put in time and effort to appease their god.
The exceptions may be the Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christian heresies that have retained the Christian approach to evangelism even though those groups’ theology is atrociously distorted beyond all recognition.
Christianity is bold enough to declare itself the one and only truth, as I suspect you may well aware of by now, and thus believes that it is a benefit to everyone who believes it. This audacity really carries over into how we approach media: we’re trying to save people from their sin and death and going to hell, especially the children who are adorable and easy to convince.
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