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Florida State University mass shooting on April 17th

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I thank God for Florida's age limit of 25 to purchase high-capacity semi-automatic rifles. These are commonly referred to as "assault rifles" in the media, but that term has a different technical definition in military science.
 
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I’m sure glad we have an administration that labels random vandals destroying cars as and advocates for human rights as terrorists while mass shootings have become so commonplace a person can film themselves just casually walk past a victim bleeding out on the ground.

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For those not into Gateway Pundit:

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The shooter, identified by police as Phoenix Ikner, is believed to be a Florida State student, investigators said.

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  • One FSU student who saw the shooter described him as a “normal college dude" who was wearing an orange T-shirt and khaki shorts. "I was walking and this guy pulls up in an orange Hummer," the student said. "And he gets out with a rifle and shoots in my direction."
 
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For those not into Gateway Pundit:

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The shooter, identified by police as Phoenix Ikner, is believed to be a Florida State student, investigators said.

NBC
  • One FSU student who saw the shooter described him as a “normal college dude" who was wearing an orange T-shirt and khaki shorts. "I was walking and this guy pulls up in an orange Hummer," the student said. "And he gets out with a rifle and shoots in my direction."
Phoenix Ikner? That doesn’t sound too Salvadoran to me.
 
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For those not into Gateway Pundit:

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The shooter, identified by police as Phoenix Ikner, is believed to be a Florida State student, investigators said.

NBC
  • One FSU student who saw the shooter described him as a “normal college dude" who was wearing an orange T-shirt and khaki shorts. "I was walking and this guy pulls up in an orange Hummer," the student said. "And he gets out with a rifle and shoots in my direction."
The shooter obtained access to a weapon that belongs to his mother, who has been with the sheriff’s office for over 18 years and has been a model employee, force upgraded to new weapons.

The alleged shooter was a long-standing member of the sheriff’s office’s youth advisory council, the sheriff said.​

Another woke lib getting violent.
 
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The shooter obtained access to a weapon that belongs to his mother, who has been with the sheriff’s office for over 18 years and has been a model employee, force upgraded to new weapons.​
The alleged shooter was a long-standing member of the sheriff’s office’s youth advisory council, the sheriff said.​

Another woke lib getting violent.
Ok, but has he ever said the words “free Palestine?” We need to know if we have an actual terrorist on our hands or just your standard American grown lone wolf shooter we don’t need to worry about.
 
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There has been absolutely NOTHING AT ALL revealed by the Sheriff or local law enforcement about what the motives could have been for Phoenix Ikner. This young man killed at least 2 college students and injured at least 6 victims. I simply don't understand for the need or the desire of the apparent snarkiness and other glib comments in some of the previous posts in this thread.
 
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The shooter obtained access to a weapon that belongs to his mother, who has been with the sheriff’s office for over 18 years and has been a model employee, force upgraded to new weapons.​
The alleged shooter was a long-standing member of the sheriff’s office’s youth advisory council, the sheriff said.​

Another woke lib getting violent.
Whether he is liberal or not, as I've said in these forums the hatred and violent rhetoric toward Trump and his followers, and the justification of the murder of the CEO, the vast majority of which comes from the left, needs to stop. They need to tone down the violent rhetoric or else this kind of violence (whether it instigated the actions of this individual or not) will continue.
 
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There has been absolutely NOTHING AT ALL revealed by the Sheriff or local law enforcement about what the motives could have been for Phoenix Ikner. This young man killed at least 2 college students and injured at least 6 victims.
What difference does a motive make to a problem we simply aren’t going to address?
I simply don't understand for the need or the desire of the apparent snarkiness and other glib comments in some of the previous posts in this thread.
It’s a natural reaction to the normalization of mass shooters in this country. Deal with the problem and you might see a change in people’s attitudes towards it. Until then, this must be America made great, since we obviously feel no need to tackle this issue directly.
 
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Whether he is liberal or not, as I've said in these forums the hatred and violent rhetoric toward Trump and his followers, and the justification of the murder of the CEO, the vast majority of which comes from the left, needs to stop. They need to tone down the violent rhetoric or else this kind of violence (whether it instigated the actions of this individual or not) will continue.
Yes, all aware of the partisan garbage you keep spewing - like this comment.
 
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Whether he is liberal or not, as I've said in these forums the hatred and violent rhetoric toward Trump and his followers, and the justification of the murder of the CEO, the vast majority of which comes from the left, needs to stop. They need to tone down the violent rhetoric or else this kind of violence (whether it instigated the actions of this individual or not) will continue.
How about don’t try to find a way to blame the left for every single bad thing that happens in America? That would be a great place to start.
 
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I’m sure glad we have an administration that labels random vandals destroying cars as and advocates for human rights as terrorists while mass shootings have become so commonplace a person can film themselves just casually walk past a victim bleeding out on the ground.
I would politely and respectfully ask for the use of the postscript <sarcasm> after posts like this, as we have a number of literalists in this forum, who may conclude that you actually believe what you just said.
 
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It’s a natural reaction to the normalization of mass shooters in this country. Deal with the problem and you might see a change in people’s attitudes towards it. Until then, this must be America made great, since we obviously feel no need to tackle this issue directly.
I object to the idea that mass shooters have been normalized in the USA. In fact, there ain't nothing at all normal about anyone sociopathic enough to kill innocent people.
 
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There has been absolutely NOTHING AT ALL revealed by the Sheriff or local law enforcement about what the motives could have been for Phoenix Ikner. This young man killed at least 2 college students and injured at least 6 victims. I simply don't understand for the need or the desire of the apparent snarkiness and other glib comments in some of the previous posts in this thread.
Why not be glib? This is a normal thing.
 
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I object to the idea that mass shooters have been normalized in the USA. In fact, there ain't nothing at all normal about anyone sociopathic enough to kill innocent people.
No need to get so upset. Just a normal Thursday.
 
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There is absolutely nothing at all normal about mass shooters. This is not a normal thing at all.
Yes it is, no point in pretending otherwise.
 
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