Trump admin. concedes Maryland man from El Salvador was mistakenly deported/sent to mega prison - shrugs 'nothing can be done' [ETA: oh but it can!]

GoldenBoy89 · Apr 15, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
It seems like this Judge doesn't understand their jurisdiction and that their orders do not stretch across international boundaries.

Her orders are for the Trump administration.

It seems you’ve been confused about this case all along.

Oompa Loompa · Apr 15, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Her orders are for the Trump administration.

It seems you’ve been confused about this case all along.

Her orders have no authority because it depends on the decisions of another sovereign nation. I don't know how to break this down further without insulting your intelligence. Why not order the President of El Salvador to return Garcia?

GoldenBoy89 · Apr 15, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Her orders have no authority because it depends on the decisions of another sovereign nation. I don't know how to break this down further without insulting your intelligence. Why not order the President of El Salvador to return Garcia?

Are you sure it’s my intelligence you’re insulting here?

I’ll try one more time. After that you’re going on ignore because I am done with this thread for today.

Her orders are for the Trump administration.

That means it is now the Trump administration that has to take measures to correct their mistake. They (the court ordered Trump administration) have to find a way to get the Salvadoran government to send him back. That’s the order from the judge to the president of the United States. All of this is still within US jurisdiction.

So now, what, if anything, have the now court ordered Trump administration or any official within, done to correct their mistake? What steps have they taken to facilitate his return to US custody?

They placed him there. They can bring him back. They don’t want to. Why?

Oompa Loompa · Apr 15, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Are you sure it’s my intelligence you’re insulting here?

I’ll try one more time. After that you’re going on ignore because I am done with this thread for today.

Her orders are for the Trump administration.

That means it is now the Trump administration that has to take measures to correct their mistake. They (the court ordered Trump administration) have to find a way to get the Salvadoran government to send him back. That’s the order from the judge to the president of the United States. All of this is still within US jurisdiction.

So now, what, if anything, have the now court ordered Trump administration or any official within, done to correct their mistake? What steps have they taken to facilitate his return to US custody?

They placed him there. They can bring him back. They don’t want to. Why?

Let me draw this out in crayon. THE BALL IS NOT IN TRUMP'S COURT. El Salvador holds all the cards regarding Garcia. No judge can change that...period. Good night.

GoldenBoy89 · Apr 15, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
THE BALL IS NOT IN TRUMP'S COURT. El Salvador holds all the cards regarding Garcia. No judge can change that...period. Good night.

Mr “you don’t have the cards” suddenly has no cards against mighty El Salvador.

A good night, indeed. Lol.

Oompa Loompa · Apr 15, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Mr “you don’t have the cards” suddenly has no cards against mighty El Salvador.

A good night, indeed. Lol.

Yes. Trump doesn't have the cards, and neither does the supreme court. Is that a problem for you?

7thKeeper · Apr 15, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Her orders have no authority because it depends on the decisions of another sovereign nation. I don't know how to break this down further without insulting your intelligence. Why not order the President of El Salvador to return Garcia?

No, the only one whose intelligence you're insulting with this song and dance you're trying to pull off is your own.

Oompa Loompa · Apr 16, 2025

7thKeeper said:
No, the only one whose intelligence you're insulting with this song and dance you're trying to pull off is your own.

Then please tell me your plan to get Garcia back into the U.S.?

Oompa Loompa · Apr 16, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Mr “you don’t have the cards” suddenly has no cards against mighty El Salvador.

A good night, indeed. Lol.

If you were president for a day, what would you do to get Garcia back?

wing2000 · Apr 16, 2025

From Tuesday's hearing:

A federal judge ordered an “intense” two-week inquiry into the Trump administration’s refusal to seek the return of a man who was wrongly deported from Maryland to a notorious prison in El Salvador.

“To date, what the record shows is that nothing has been done. Nothing,” U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis said at a court hearing Tuesday.

...
In a written order granting “expedited discovery,” Xinis said four senior officials from the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of State will have to sit for depositions by April 23 — essentially out-of-court interviews in which the officials will have to answer questions under oath from Abrego Garcia’s lawyers. Those officials include Joseph Mazzara, the acting general counsel at Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and Michael Kozak, the senior official in the State Department’s Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/15/judge-launches-inquiry-into-trump-administrations-refusal-to-seek-return-of-wrongly-deported-man-00291942

Oompa Loompa · Apr 16, 2025

wing2000 said:
From Tuesday's hearing:

A federal judge ordered an “intense” two-week inquiry into the Trump administration’s refusal to seek the return of a man who was wrongly deported from Maryland to a notorious prison in El Salvador.

“To date, what the record shows is that nothing has been done. Nothing,” U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis said at a court hearing Tuesday.

...
In a written order granting “expedited discovery,” Xinis said four senior officials from the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of State will have to sit for depositions by April 23 — essentially out-of-court interviews in which the officials will have to answer questions under oath from Abrego Garcia’s lawyers. Those officials include Joseph Mazzara, the acting general counsel at Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and Michael Kozak, the senior official in the State Department’s Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/15/judge-launches-inquiry-into-trump-administrations-refusal-to-seek-return-of-wrongly-deported-man-00291942

Trump and Pam said they would facilitate if El Salvador is willing to release Garcia back to the United States. Not surprisingly, El Salvador is not willing to release Garcia anytime soon.

Pommer · Apr 16, 2025

This thread will age interestingly.

wing2000 · Apr 16, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Trump and Pam said they would facilitate if El Salvador is willing to release Garcia back to the United States. Not surprisingly, El Salvador is not willing to release Garcia anytime soon.

Yes, I know what they said.

The judge is dismissing the comments made in the Oval Office....

Justice Department attorney Drew Ensign argued that a joint appearance in the Oval Office Monday by President Donald Trump and President Nayib Bukele of El Slavador demonstrated that the issue had been raised with “the highest authority” in that country and there was no hope of getting Abrego Garcia back.

But [Judge] Xinis noted that Bukele’s comments came in response to a question from a journalist, not a U.S. official. She also scoffed at Bukele’s dismissive comment that he could not “smuggle” Abrego Garcia back into the U.S. The judge called Bukele’s answer “non-responsive” as a legal matter.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/15/judge-launches-inquiry-into-trump-administrations-refusal-to-seek-return-of-wrongly-deported-man-00291942

Oompa Loompa · Apr 16, 2025

Pommer said:
This thread will age interestingly.

It will likely age like milk. But will it spoil, or turn into gourmet cheese?

Oompa Loompa · Apr 16, 2025

wing2000 said:
Yes, I know what they said.

The judge is dismissing the comments made in the Oval Office....

Justice Department attorney Drew Ensign argued that a joint appearance in the Oval Office Monday by President Donald Trump and President Nayib Bukele of El Slavador demonstrated that the issue had been raised with “the highest authority” in that country and there was no hope of getting Abrego Garcia back.

But [Judge] Xinis noted that Bukele’s comments came in response to a question from a journalist, not a U.S. official. She also scoffed at Bukele’s dismissive comment that he could not “smuggle” Abrego Garcia back into the U.S. The judge called Bukele’s answer “non-responsive” as a legal matter.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/15/judge-launches-inquiry-into-trump-administrations-refusal-to-seek-return-of-wrongly-deported-man-00291942

Sounds like the judge is just sore about the fact that her authority doesn't stretch across the globe.

essentialsaltes · Apr 16, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
Justice Department suspends lawyer who criticized Trump administration for stonewalling in deportation case
Attorney General Pam Bondi confirmed in a statement the suspension of Erez Reuveni, who represented the government Friday when a federal judge ruled the Trump administration acted illegally by mistakenly deporting Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

Justice Department fires immigration lawyer who argued case of mistakenly deported man

loveofourlord · Apr 16, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
Justice Department fires immigration lawyer who argued case of mistakenly deported man

now thats chilling, regardless of what you think of trumps rights to deport people, or if garcia was rightfully removed, it's his lawyers job LEGALLY to defend his client, he could get in trouble for not doing his best.

loveofourlord · Apr 16, 2025

oh and another in the, "he's probably dead, or injured." catagory, a senator went to el salvador to try to get more information and was refused to me allowed to meet with him.

El Salvador won’t let Democratic senator visit or speak with Kilmar Abrego Garcia

Chris Van Hollen was denied a meeting with the wrongfully deported Salvadoran man imprisoned inside a notorious jail

www.independent.co.uk

essentialsaltes · Apr 16, 2025

loveofourlord said:
it's his lawyers job LEGALLY to defend his client, he could get in trouble for not doing his best.

This was the DOJ lawyer [not Garcia's lawyer] who was trying to argue the government's position, and finding it difficult to do since he was getting the runaround from his client (i.e. the Trump Administration).

Gene2memE · Apr 16, 2025

The 'free speech' warriors and constitutional conservatives seem eerily quiet about these cases.

A man was arrested - without probable cause. In violation of the Fourth Amendment. He was then imprisoned - without trial. In violation of the US Constitution's Suspension Clause. He was the deported - without due process. In violation of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. The deportation happened in direct contravention of express judicial orders.

Other people have been arrested for writing opeds and organising protests criticising Israeli domestic and foreign policy. Again, they have been arrested without probably cause, detained without trial in response to activities that are protected under the First Amendment.

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