Will Trump Negotiate Tariffs? White House Claims Over 50 Countries Want To Talk

trophy33 · Apr 7, 2025

dogs4thewin said:
depends on what prmises were made. Did Trump say that he would not breach the agreements? If not, then you cannot really say he is ot keeping his promise not to do so.

International agreements/treaties would have no meaning if they were just a piece of paper when a domestic government change.

Most democratic countries have governments for just 4 or 5 years. You cannot make everything from zero every elections. There is a continuity necessity. New governments should respect the treaties of previous governments made in the name of the country.

Belk · Apr 7, 2025

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
I am pleased that the today’s republican party is embracing Ronald Reagan's economic policy of free trade and globalization.

Thanks to President Trump’s policies, Liberal lefty or MAGA who were previously against free trade and globalization now advocate for fair and free trade with all countries globally.

Welcome to free trade and globalization; prosperity wait for America!

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You do realize that with this move no one is ever going to trust any of our negotiations ever again? Trump broke his own trade agreement with these tarifs. This is the death knell of free trade for America.

rjs330 · Apr 7, 2025

trophy33 said:
The problem is that these new tariffs are not reciprocal. They are calculated based upon the US trade deficit. Even if some country lowers all tariffs to 0, it will not help. People in those countries would suddenly need to start buying a lot of the US goods which will hardly happen.

I cannot imagine for example Vietnam or India buying the monstrous US cars or other US goods. And I can hardly imagine the EU to consume the US low quality food.

How do you know it wont help? With zero tariffs we could start sending goods over that we didn't used to because no one would buy them. Which is the ultimate goal. Sure there would be somethings they wouldn't buy regardless. But opening the markets is never bad, which is the goal.

Whatever works. And apparently this is already starting to work as countries are preparing to negotiate.

As I have continued to say. Lets wait and see. Trump has been talking about tariffs for MANY years. Long before he ran for president the first time.

rjs330 · Apr 7, 2025

Belk said:
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You do realize that with this move no one is ever going to trust any of our negotiations ever again? Trump brokehis own trade agreement with these tarifs. This is the death knell of free trade for America.

Doesn't appear so. Trade agreements are ALWAYS up for negotiation.

trophy33 · Apr 7, 2025

rjs330 said:
How do you know it wont help?

Because the real tariffs are low and nothing like presented by your government. For example, the EU tariffs against the US are 2.7%. Your government said it is 39% and "kindly" set "the reciprocal" tariffs to be "just" 20%.

Yes, the EU can negotiate to drop the 2.7% tariff, if the USA will also drop all (not just the new ones) the tariffs against the EU. How will that help? The trade deficit is not because of these small tariffs.

rjs330 · Apr 7, 2025

trophy33 said:
Because the real tariffs are low and nothing like presented by your government. For example, the EU tariffs against the US are 2.7%. Your government said it is 39% and "kindly" set "the reciprocal" tariffs to be "just" 20%.

Yes, the EU can negotiate to drop the 2.7% tariff, if the USA will also drop all (not just the new ones) the tariffs against the EU. How will that help? The trade deficit is not because of these small tariffs.

Your figures are not honest. There are many things that the EU tariffs at a much higher rate. Autos are at 10%. The only figures i could find that broke things down a little more showed agricultural goods were at 25%, airplanes at 15% things like plastic goods and chemical good were at 25%.

If you are going to make a claim.of 2 7% then you should be open with what you are talking about. Because it's not a blanket 2.7% for everything.

trophy33 · Apr 7, 2025

rjs330 said:
Your figures are not honest. There are many things that the EU tariffs at a much higher rate. Autos are at 10%. The only figures i could find that broke things down a little more showed agricultural goods were at 25%, airplanes at 15% things like plastic goods and chemical good were at 25%.

If you are going to make a claim.of 2 7% then you should be open with what you are talking about. Because it's not a blanket 2.7% for everything.

Did you not see the Trump's speech, introducing the tariffs? The numbers in the left column were wrong. The overall number for the EU is not 39%, but 2.7%.

Mapped: Average Tariff Rates by Country

As Trump introduces a new wave of tariffs, we compare them to the average tariff rates of major economies worldwide.

www.visualcapitalist.com

The number 39% is actually the US trade deficit share. Using 2024 figures, the US trade deficit with the EU was approximately $235.6 billion, and EU exports to the US were about $605.8 billion. This yields a rate of about 38.9%, which is rounded to 39%.

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trophy33 · Apr 7, 2025

In 2023, both the EU and the USA had tariffs averaging 2-3 percent against each other, according to calculations from the Swedish Trade Agency, the National Board of Trade.

EU Tariffs on US Goods: Are They Really Unfair? | Sweden Herald

President Donald Trump accuses the world's trading partners of years of unfair treatment of the USA

swedenherald.com

FAITH-IN-HIM · Apr 7, 2025

Belk said:
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You do realize that with this move no one is ever going to trust any of our negotiations ever again? Trump broke his own trade agreement with these tarifs. This is the death knell of free trade for America.

The global community is aware that President Trump will not remain in office after 2028, and there is hope for political change. Unlike others, I am more optimistic than many. World leaders are well aware of the workings of American politics. If a MAGA movement persists after President Trump leaves office and another conservative politician similar to him comes to power, it could result in trust issues or problems.

One of the strengths of President Trump is his ability to persuade his supporters regarding any policy he chooses. However, this can also be a limitation, as he has been unable to transfer that same support to other conservative candidates. Reflections from elections since 2016 show that American voters who support President Trump are often not willing to vote for other candidates with similar policies.

I hope that by 2028, American politics will return to the status quo we have seen before 2015. On the conservative side, I would like to see the ideology of figures such as Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney. As for the left, while it is too early to make definitive predictions, I prefer centrist Democrats over the more liberal perspectives of individuals like AOC or Senator Sanders.

Nithavela · Apr 7, 2025

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
The global community is aware that President Trump will not remain in office after 2028, and there is hope for political change.

The global community is aware that Trump is angling for a third term.

Pommer · Apr 7, 2025

dogs4thewin said:
depends on what promises were made. Did Trump say that he would not breach the agreements? If not, then you cannot really say he is not keeping his promise not to do so.

He abrogated the USMCA (which he himself instituted), so yes, he’s going back on his word.

7thKeeper · Apr 7, 2025

trophy33 said:
Peugeot, Renault, Airbus, Citroën, L’Oréal Paris, Garnier, Danone, Nestlé...?

The entire French defense industry...

7thKeeper · Apr 7, 2025

rjs330 said:
How do you know it wont help? With zero tariffs we could start sending goods over that we didn't used to because no one would buy them. Which is the ultimate goal. Sure there would be somethings they wouldn't buy regardless. But opening the markets is never bad, which is the goal.

Why would you assume those products would be bought in that case either?

FAITH-IN-HIM · Apr 7, 2025

Nithavela said:
The global community is aware that Trump is angling for a third term.

Why not conduct a poll to see how many forum members support President Trump's ideas? I'd be surprised if even 10% of his staunchest supporters here agree to 3rd trump administration.

President Trump may desire a third term, but I doubt 10% of Americans would support it.

BCP1928 · Apr 7, 2025

Laodicean60 said:
France has manufacturing? I thought German manufacturing propped up the EU.

You're serious? You really didn't know?

GoldenBoy89 · Apr 7, 2025

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Why not conduct a poll to see how many forum members support President Trump's ideas? I'd be surprised if even 10% of his staunchest supporters here agree to 3rd trump administration.

President Trump may desire a third term, but I doubt 10% of Americans would support it.

The fact Americans even gave him a second term tells me not to be so confident.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Apr 7, 2025

rjs330 said:
How do you know it wont help? With zero tariffs we could start sending goods over that we didn't used to because no one would buy them. Which is the ultimate goal. Sure there would be somethings they wouldn't buy regardless. But opening the markets is never bad, which is the goal.

Whatever works. And apparently this is already starting to work as countries are preparing to negotiate.

As I have continued to say. Lets wait and see. Trump has been talking about tariffs for MANY years. Long before he ran for president the first time.

Understanding President Trump's policies can be challenging. Is the tariff policy aimed at negotiating lower import taxes on US products to boost competitiveness, or is it intended to bring jobs back to America?

If the objective of the policy is to open foreign markets to US product, then negotiating with different nations for zero import tax is a sound strategy. However, if the goal is to bring back American jobs, then implementing zero tariffs may have the opposite effect.

Nithavela · Apr 7, 2025

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Why not conduct a poll to see how many forum members support President Trump's ideas? I'd be surprised if even 10% of his staunchest supporters here agree to 3rd trump administration.

President Trump may desire a third term, but I doubt 10% of Americans would support it.

Sounds like a fun idea.

How does this poll sound to you:

How likely is it that you would vote for Trump in the 2028 presidential election?

Text: Assume that Trump continues governing like he has done for the first months of his second term, that there are no significant changes in his mental or physical health and that it has been found that Trump running in the 2028 election is constitutional.

Answers:

A: I would definetely vote for Trump.
B: I would likely vote for Trump.
C: I am undecided.
D: I would likely not vote for Trump.
E: I would definetely not vote for Trump.

?

jacorian · Apr 7, 2025

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Understanding President Trump's policies can be challenging. Is the tariff policy aimed at negotiating lower import taxes on US products to boost competitiveness, or is it intended to bring jobs back to America?

If the objective of the policy is to open foreign markets to US product, then negotiating with different nations for zero import tax is a sound strategy. However, if the goal is to bring back American jobs, then implementing zero tariffs may have the opposite effect.

I just listened to a 10 yr old clip from Bernie Sanders who insisted that manufacturing needed to come back here otherwise we won't have a country anymore. I.e. people need to have access to a job here. When people have jobs they can spend money here & some of that revenue goes toward taxes for state functions. This is no different than what Trump is advocating for now. Our country, since NAFTA, has been outsourced. That represents millions of jobs gone & a loss of income for people as well as revenue for infrastructure. So the idea is to level the playing field. For those who hate the concept of tariff, by not supporting it, they are supporting then the idea that millionaires & CEOs must continue to exist in their present template. Recall that these are the same people who complain about wealthy people transferring all the jobs overseas so they can pay cheap labor & thus increase profit margins for their company & their compensation package. You can't have it both ways. You either prefer the cheap labor & less people working here & thus keeping that template in place or you bring back some of the jobs here so that people will be active consumers & thus there will be tax revenue coming esp the FICA tax. The republic cannot survive on just have 100 million people work & the rest of the country accessing some type of transfer payment to exist.

Belk · Apr 7, 2025

rjs330 said:
Doesn't appear so. Trade agreements are ALWAYS up for negotiation.

Are they? Even after they are negotiated and settled are they suddenly changed on a whim?

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