Is this pushing an ideology?

trophy33 said:

Wait, you do not even know that the UK is not in the EU?

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Ok, got me. You don't have to nit pick. Now, answer my question: Can you say in public or carry a sign or make a comment on social media that homosexuality is a sin?

Laodicean60 said:

Ok, got me. You don't have to nit pick.

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It is not nit picking.

Laodicean60 said:

Now, answer my question: Can you say in public or carry a sign or make a comment on social media that homosexuality is a sin?

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Yes, though this is not the European way. As I already said, religion or politics are deemed rather private things.

Now answer my question - what is your source for those many jailed people for free speech. Also, define free speech for me, because your focus on homosexuality is a weird one. Free speech is much more associated with political freedoms and free press, here.

As I said, you do not know much about the EU, do you?

Akita Suggagaki said:

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It's obviously pro-LGBTQ+ unless you want to pretend it isn't.

trophy33 said:

There is an easy solution to that - do not advertise your political leanings to the world. For example in the EU, politics, religion etc are seen as private things and I have actually no idea whom my colleagues or friends vote for. It is quite rare to know that, it happens mostly inside families or among the closest friends, only.

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That's been my experience as well living in the US.

Akita Suggagaki said:

LGBTQ are people, indeed, often needing safe spaces.
You see it as "pushing an ideology" to offer?

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Yep. Pushing, promoting, propagating.

Akita Suggagaki said:

LGBTQ are people, indeed, often needing safe spaces.
You see it as "pushing an ideology" to offer?

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What does it mean, though? Why should we know they are lgbt? I do not want to know. If it is in work, let them just work like everybody else, I do not want to hear or know about their sexuality. And I do not want to celebrate it or anything similar. Similarly, I do not need to know their political opinions or religion.

'Accept everyone' except if you have basic christian beliefs.

Akita Suggagaki said:

What are you talking about?? Republicans rule.

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For one, all the college campuses students not allow the guest to speak. What are you talking about? What does Republican rule have to do with intolerance?

Akita Suggagaki said:

Let's take it another direction. Muslims.

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I'm all for safe spaces for LGBTQ+ and/or Muslims, and if anyone should be "safe" to be with in a space, it should be with a Christian. Unfortunately, it's not infrequently we hear otherwise and then the Christian Faith gets a bad rap.

At the same time, socially referential words have limited applications and what one person or group "means" by those seemingly innocuous social terms might have a few ideological strings attached to them as well.

trophy33 said:

What does it mean, though? Why should we know they are lgbt? I do not want to know. If it is in work, let them just work like everybody else, I do not want to hear or know about their sexuality. And I do not want to celebrate it or anything similar. Similarly, I do not need to know their political opinions or religion.

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The idea is if someone doesn't broadcast it, they're "in the closet", which is a bad thing.

Akita Suggagaki said:

LGBTQ are people, indeed, often needing safe spaces.
You see it as "pushing an ideology" to offer?

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Describe what safe spaces are. How do they operate? How do they differ from a human resources office or a principal's or dean's office and the like?

Akita Suggagaki said:

Let's take it another direction. Muslims.

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Why Muslims? Are you talking about them having a prayer room? Those don't exist to keep them safe. They just give them privacy to pray and to give everyone else a break from hearing them pray out loud. Why would LGBT+ need a similar arrangement?

Akita Suggagaki said:

I think of theme pretty much as simply a place where people will not be picked, persecuted, bullied or made fun of.

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Could you give a description with more details please? Where is the space? At work, at school, in a store, out in the street? What does it look like? A room with a door they can lock? Some sort of isolation cube?

ozso said:

Could you give a description with more details please? Where is the space? At work, at school, in a store, out in the street?

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That post alone is enough to tell me the sad state of Christianity. When we need to define for them the places where they should be tolerant of others. But what's sadder yet, is that it implies that the most intolerant place that one can possibly find... is a church.

Akita Suggagaki said:

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Yes.
The only safe space on earth is in Christ. The Spirit of God is clear;
9 Don’t you know that people who are unjust won’t inherit God’s kingdom? Don’t be deceived. Those who are sexually immoral, those who worship false gods, adulterers, both participants in same-sex intercourse, 10 thieves, the greedy, drunks, abusive people, and swindlers won’t inherit God’s kingdom. 11 That is what some of you used to be! But you were washed clean, you were made holy to God, and you were made right with God in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

This disingenuous baiting does not come from God. It is from the prince of darkness. God has made Himself clear.
God has provided the sacrifice for all men in Christ. So, yes He is inclusive, but He demands change.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Ephesians 4:17
So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking.

18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.

19 Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed.

20 That, however, is not the way of life you learned

21 when you heard about Christ and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus.

22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires;

23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds;

24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.




Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.


Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an


abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.


Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.


Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.


Genesis 2:24 - Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.


Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”


1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV - Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.


1 Corinthians 7:2 - But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.
There are others. That is enough if Christ lives in us. If not, no number will suffice.
Matt18:6
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

Those who encourage children to pretend to be a gender they are not under the banner of love and inclusion will have their reward given in the lake of fire. Those who confuse and lead children astray will be judged harshly.