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Article on the conservative faction: The Unexpected Conservative Cardinal-Electors – Catholic Family News

Editor’s Note: The terms used here of “conservative”, “liberal” and “moderate” are all relative to the post-Conciliar Church. Indeed, many of these cardinals, even those deemed conservative, would have been considered liberal by pre-conciliar standards. There is, however, a significant difference between the most liberal of the cardinals and the most conservative of them, which demands that there are different terms to differentiate them. For more on this, see the interview with Mr. Verweij on our YouTube channel.


By Serre Verweij

While the firmly orthodox cardinal faction currently holds around 50 electors, the liberal faction is actually smaller. This might be surprising considering how many cardinals Pope Francis has appointed, but the fact that he made no German cardinal other than Müller, helps to explain this fact. However, the liberal faction suffers from another problem: clear infighting and disagreement between moderate and radical liberals.

This division was noted by the Pillar a few years back. Some of the key points of contention are the stance taken with regards to the heretical German Synodal Way, whether doctrine as opposed to some pastoral practices can be decentralized along the lines of Anglicanism, and last but not least the position with regard to homosexuality.

Mario Grech, the general secretary for the synod of bishops in Rome, is the clear radical liberal candidate, and openly so. He has outright spoken of supporting a ‘rainbow church’ where the German bishops departing from the faith can co-exist alongside orthodoxy. He has been very pro-LGBT, in favor of loosening priestly celibacy, and has criticized the bishops and cardinals who wrote the dubia regarding the German Synodal Way.

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