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Vance makes his debut as VP on the international stage at a high-stakes AI summit in Paris

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And recovered from it every time.
Refcover? He did not pay all of his debts,
The greatest drain on his personal wealth is the Presidency
How do you know it? Trump has kept any data on that secret …
In the business world it is called branding - and every multimillionaire and billionaire and politician has done so.
Another word is imposing.
I'm not speaking for anyone - but the list I presented - that you have not addressed in any form of seriousness
It has already been addressed by eclipsenow.
let's include the first Peace agreement in the Middle East in 4 decades
Prepared by the Obama administration.
4 Nobel Peace prize nominations
… from some followers of him in the US congress. What kind of achievement is this?
closing the border
Which had more bad than good effects (Trump's propaganda says otherwise, I know).
providing tax relief to 80% of tax payers.
Any evidence for 80%?
 
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let's include the first Peace agreement
Yes - definitely - the way he ended the war in Ukraine in one day was... oh ... wait...

in the Middle East in 4 decades - 4 Nobel Peace prize nominations
Please - did he actually WIN one? No.

Instead far-right fanboi's nominated him.
Republican yes men nominated him twice.

A Norwegian far-right nominated him. (Gee - I wonder why? :oldthumbsup: :doh: )
He is most widely known for his opposition to immigration, especially Muslim immigration. He believes immigration policy to be the single most important political issue facing Norwegian society.[1] In 2014 he released his book about immigration politics titled Mens orkesteret fortsetter å spille (While the orchestra continues to play).[2][3] In 2018 and 2020 he put forward U.S. President Donald Trump as a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize; any member of parliament may propose candidates.[4]

The saddest nomination came from some Ukrainians desperate to butter him up just after he won the election! If only it had worked!

Oleksandr Merezhko, a top MP from President Volodymyr Zelensky's party, has nominated U.S. President-elect Donald Trump for the 2025 Nobel Peace Prize, according to his letter to the Norwegian Nobel Committee seen by the Kyiv Independent on Nov. 26.​
Merezhko's move is at odds with the statements of many opinion leaders in Ukraine who have criticized Trump for praising Russian President Vladimir Putin and questioning further U.S. assistance to Ukraine. Trump has also promised to broker a peace deal to end the war in Ukraine, and there is speculation that he could pressure Kyiv to cede territory to Russia or agree to Putin's terms.
However, some Ukrainian politicians and analysts argue that Trump may be swayed to Ukraine's side and help Kyiv reach a peace deal with Russia from a position of strength.
"It is my belief that Trump has made considerable contributions to world peace, and that he can make more in the future," Merezhko, an MP from Zelensky's Servant of the People party and chairman of the Ukrainian parliament's foreign affairs committee, wrote in his letter...​
..."Trump also laid the foundations for today's international coalition of support for Ukraine by demonstrating global leadership in supplying weapons to resist Russia's brutal and illegal war of aggression," Merezhko said in an apparent reference to Trump's decision to supply Ukraine with Javelin anti-tank missiles during his first term.​
When asked by the Kyiv Independent about his motivation for the nomination, the lawmaker said he wants to use it "as an opportunity to attract Trump's attention so that he could help Ukraine to survive."


How did that go?

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- closing the border -

Meh - the border was mostly closed already! Trump shouldn't take credit for Kamala's many visits to so many South American countries to quell the problem at the SOURCE - not the symptoms at the border!


July 2024 data for border crossings showed the lowest level of border crossing since September 2020.[3] Between 2007 and 2018, visa overstays have accounted for a larger share of the growth in the illegal immigrant population than illegal border crossings,[4] which have declined considerably from 2000 to 2018.[5] In 2022, only 37% of illegal immigrants were from Mexico, the smallest share on record.[6] El Salvador, India, Guatemala and Honduras were the next four largest countries.[6] As of 2016, approximately two-thirds of illegal adult immigrants had lived in the US for at least a decade.[7] As of 2022, unauthorized immigrants made up 3.3% of the US population, though nearly one-third of those immigrants have temporary permission to be in the United States, such as those in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals.[6]

If you want to restrict the flow of the most law abiding and hard working people your country has access to - that's your business!
It's like Donald Trump is saying "We've GOT to stop the gold crossing the border illegally! It will make us all rich!"

Opponents of illegal immigration worry about crime, as well as possible social and economic burdens caused by migration.[8] Opponents also insist immigrants enter the United States through a formal process and do not want to reward those bypassing the system.[9][10]
Research shows that illegal immigrants increase the size of the US economy, contribute to economic growth, enhance the welfare of natives, contribute more in tax revenue than they collect, reduce American firms' incentives to offshore jobs and import foreign-produced goods, and benefit consumers by reducing the prices of goods and services.[11][12][13][14] Economists estimate that legalization of the illegal immigrant population would increase the immigrants' earnings and consumption considerably, and increase US gross domestic product.[15][16][17][18] Most scientific studies have shown that illegal immigrants commit less crime than natives and legal immigrants.[19][20][21] Sanctuary cities—which adopt policies designed to avoid prosecuting people solely for being in the country illegally—have no statistically meaningful impact on crime.[22][23] Research suggests that immigration enforcement has no impact on crime rates.[22][24][25]

providing tax relief to 80% of tax payers.
You're KIDDING right?
Everyone knows his tax cuts primarily benefitted the rich.
NOW he's putting tariffs on imports which is a 25% tax on the American people for anything made somewhere much cheaper.
No wonder the Oligarchs were front rowers at his crowning.

Indeed - I've seen a theory that the Oligarchs are in his head, manipulating this whole tariffs thing so it causes a major economic crash - they can swoop in and buy a bunch of stuff - and then the next President restores things back to normal - the Oligarchs will own ever so much more of the pie as everything recovers and be even more indestructible.
 
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Yes - definitely - the way he ended the war in Ukraine in one day was... oh ... wait...


Please - did he actually WIN one? No.

Instead far-right fanboi's nominated him.
Republican yes men nominated him twice.
He wants that Nobel Peace Prize so bad, because the sooner he gets it, the sooner we can “peacefully” take over Greenland.

Actually, taking over Greenland could precede the NPP, since we’ll be doing it so “peacefully” that no reports of military action will even be reported from anywhere there, which is unheard of!
 
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While we all consider the sheer magnificence of Trump and Vance, and how spectacularly they ride the wave of international love due to their stupendous performance on geopolitical matters - let's look at the language used by various young news commentators on YouTube as they try to explain the magnanimousness of Vance's verbiage!

TLDR - Why do Trump and Vance hate Europe so much?​

They feel like they’re being ripped off - but almost every option they ‘blame’ as just another cost Europe is ‘inflicting’ on them - is actually serving America’s interests anyway.

That's right boys and girls.
Why do the President and Vice President of the United States of America HATE Europe so much!

Signal-Gate was illuminating.
THAT JD Vance was such a genius he went against protocol and joined a badly run Signal group was one thing.

WHAT he said was an entirely other thing!

But Vance sees the military operation as a favor to Europe — not a general need Washington has long fulfilled. When he finally agrees to support the strikes, he adds: “I just hate bailing out Europe again.” And he’s not alone. “VP: I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC,” Hegseth writes, while Waltz notes it should be added to the list of “horribles on why the Europeans need to invest in their defense.”​
Maybe I missed it, but I’m not aware of any European nation asking the U.S. to strike the Houthis at this time. That was a decision Trump and his team made on their own — and a key reason, Hegesth noted, was to restore deterrence vis-à-vis Iran.​
That said, it’s clear Trump shares his advisers’ views. Indeed, at one point, Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller — whom Waltz added to the chat only after Vance disagreed with the president’s decision — chimes in. The president has given a “green light” for the strikes, but, he adds, “we soon make clear to Egypt and Europe what we expect in return.” And that includes economic concessions: “If the US successfully restores freedom of navigation at great cost, there needs to be some further economic gain extracted in return.”​
Freedom of navigation may be a national interest, but that’s only up to a point. Apparently, the U.S. military is for hire, even if there has been no request for its services. And if you want us — you have to pay.​
Vance venting his vexatious vanities on Signal also inspires confidence around the security of other nation's intelligence. In other words - leaders around the world are now being grilled - do you trust Vance? Or being told behind closed doors - don't trust Vance with that!

Try to imagine this happening under previous administrations.

London — In the British Parliament, the Signal group chat controversy prompted a hard question on Wednesday for the U.K. leader from opposition lawmaker Ed Davey: Can Britain still trust America with its secrets?
"Will the prime minister make it clear that he will order an urgent review into the security of the intelligence that we share with the United States?" Davey asked during a session in the House of Commons.​
U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer pushed back.​
"We work with the United States on a daily basis," Starmer said. "Unpicking our relations with the U.S. for defense and security is neither responsible nor serious."​
But not everyone agrees, including Davey's fellow Liberal Democrats party Member of Parliament Helen Maguire.
"It's difficult to say that we can continue to rely on the U.S. when they're really playing Russian roulette with Western security," she told CBS News.​
Across Europe, though, political leaders were anxious not to provoke President Trump, and they have largely avoided that kind of criticism.​
(Eclipse comment: See that? It's subtle. They know Trump's so sensitive he might have a melt-down and vow never to protect their country because his ego CANNOT take criticism! Presidential neuroses like this should NOT be a regular part of geopolitical considerations today - but now they are!)
Newspaper and news website headlines across the continent, however, have not.​
The French daily L'Express led with: "Top-secret plans leaked — what we know about the Trump administration's big blunder."
In Italy, Il Fatto Quotidiano's top story was headlined: "Parasitic, mean and an object of hate — Vance and Hegseth reveal what Trump's U.S. thinks of its NATO allies."
Online, there was widespread outrage at Europeans being described in the Signal text thread by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth as freeloaders. In the thread, Hegseth responded in agreement to a message from Vice President JD Vance by writing, "VP: I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It's PATHETIC."​
The outrage online is shared by Maguire. She is military veteran — one of the thousands of British troops who helped America topple Saddam Hussein in Iraq.​
"It's horrendous," she said. "I mean, the word 'freeloading!' I've served in Iraq. Iraq was a U.S. war. I was there with my military counterparts. Not only that, but the U.S. has many bases in British overseas territories, so we're absolutely not freeloaders. We've been supporting the U.S. for many years, and it's incredibly disappointing to hear off-the-cuff comments like that from J.D. Vance."

Great job JD! Woo! Way to go!:clap::clap:
 
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TLDR - Why do Trump and Vance hate Europe so much?
They feel like they’re being ripped off - but almost every option they ‘blame’ as just another cost Europe is ‘inflicting’ on them - is actually serving America’s interests anyway.
There is one point not addressed in that video:

When an European person uses US social media (X, facebook etc.), he will be shown advertising. This is a big as market, so European companies also advertise there. Which means European companies pays for ads showing to people in Europe, but the money (and all the tax payed for that) goes to America. The US make billions of dollars out of Europe by that. Is that fair, or is that »freeloading«?
"It's horrendous," she said. "I mean, the word 'freeloading!' I've served in Iraq. Iraq was a U.S. war. I was there with my military counterparts. Not only that, but the U.S. has many bases in British overseas territories, so we're absolutely not freeloaders. We've been supporting the U.S. for many years, and it's incredibly disappointing to hear off-the-cuff comments like that from J.D. Vance."
Germany provides the Ramstein basis, necessary for almost everything the US military does in the middle east (and the German government has no right to infer with those operations), the echelon basis (supervising the European internet, sometimes even spy on our chancellor, as seen when Merkel noticed this), and other helps (e.g. navy ships as part of the Red Sea nays group against the Huthi attacks).

The USA should be thankful for that! The pathetic tone of JDV et.al. is disgusting.
 
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There is one point not addressed in that video:

When an European person uses US social media (X, facebook etc.), he will be shown advertising. This is a big as market, so European companies also advertise there. Which means European companies pays for ads showing to people in Europe, but the money (and all the tax payed for that) goes to America. The US make billions of dollars out of Europe by that. Is that fair, or is that »freeloading«?

Germany provides the Ramstein basis, necessary for almost everything the US military does in the middle east (and the German government has no right to infer with those operations), the echelon basis (supervising the European internet, sometimes even spy on our chancellor, as seen when Merkel noticed this), and other helps (e.g. navy ships as part of the Red Sea nays group against the Huthi attacks).

The USA should be thankful for that! The pathetic tone of JDV et.al. is disgusting.
Good point on social media! Oh poor America - always so hard done by

I can see the world gradually moving away from the increasingly alt right MAGA agit prop machines to platforms like Blue sky that will NEVER advertise! Imagine that!? Imagine Facebook without all those annoying ads? They'll just get income from a percent or 2 of business transactions hosted on the service - and a few perks if you pay premium. Bit not enough to alienate free users who might actually SEARCH Blue sky for the businesses on there.
 
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