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The Judiciary Department
From McLEAN'S Edition, New York.
HAMILTON
To the People of the State of New York:

WE PROCEED now to an examination of the judiciary department of the proposed government.

In unfolding the defects of the existing Confederation, the utility and necessity of a federal judicature have been clearly pointed out. It is the less necessary to recapitulate the considerations there urged, as the propriety of the institution in the abstract is not disputed; the only questions which have been raised being relative to the manner of constituting it, and to its extent. To these points, therefore, our observations shall be confined.

The manner of constituting it seems to embrace these several objects: 1st. The mode of appointing the judges. 2d. The tenure by which they are to hold their places. 3d. The partition of the judiciary authority between different courts, and their relations to each other.

First. As to the mode of appointing the judges; this is the same with that of appointing the officers of the Union in general, and has been so fully discussed in the two last numbers, that nothing can be said here which would not be useless repetition.

Second. As to the tenure by which the judges are to hold their places; this chiefly concerns their duration in office; the provisions for their support; the precautions for their responsibility.

According to the plan of the convention, all judges who may be appointed by the United States are to hold their offices DURING GOOD BEHAVIOR; which is conformable to the most approved of the State constitutions and among the rest, to that of this State. Its propriety having been drawn into question by the adversaries of that plan, is no light symptom of the rage for objection, which disorders their imaginations and judgments. The standard of good behavior for the continuance in office of the judicial magistracy, is certainly one of the most valuable of the modern improvements in the practice of government. In a monarchy it is an excellent barrier to the despotism of the prince; in a republic it is a no less excellent barrier to the encroachments and oppressions of the representative body. And it is the best expedient which can be devised in any government, to secure a steady, upright, and impartial administration of the laws.

Whoever attentively considers the different departments of power must perceive, that, in a government in which they are separated from each other, the judiciary, from the nature of its functions, will always be the least dangerous to the political rights of the Constitution; because it will be least in a capacity to annoy or injure them. The Executive not only dispenses the honors, but holds the sword of the community. The legislature not only commands the purse, but prescribes the rules by which the duties and rights of every citizen are to be regulated. The judiciary, on the contrary, has no influence over either the sword or the purse; no direction either of the strength or of the wealth of the society; and can take no active resolution whatever. It may truly be said to have neither FORCE nor WILL, but merely judgment; and must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm even for the efficacy of its judgments.

This simple view of the matter suggests several important consequences. It proves incontestably, that the judiciary is beyond comparison the weakest of the three departments of power1; that it can never attack with success either of the other two; and that all possible care is requisite to enable it to defend itself against their attacks. It equally proves, that though individual oppression may now and then proceed from the courts of justice, the general liberty of the people can never be endangered from that quarter; I mean so long as the judiciary remains truly distinct from both the legislature and the Executive. For I agree, that "there is no liberty, if the power of judging be not separated from the legislative and executive powers.''2 And it proves, in the last place, that as liberty can have nothing to fear from the judiciary alone, but would have every thing to fear from its union with either of the other departments; that as all the effects of such a union must ensue from a dependence of the former on the latter, notwithstanding a nominal and apparent separation; that as, from the natural feebleness of the judiciary, it is in continual jeopardy of being overpowered, awed, or influenced by its co-ordinate branches; and that as nothing can contribute so much to its firmness and independence as permanency in office, this quality may therefore be justly regarded as an indispensable ingredient in its constitution, and, in a great measure, as the citadel of the public justice and the public security.

The complete independence of the courts of justice is peculiarly essential in a limited Constitution. By a limited Constitution, I understand one which contains certain specified exceptions to the legislative authority; such, for instance, as that it shall pass no bills of attainder, no ex-post-facto laws, and the like. Limitations of this kind can be preserved in practice no other way than through the medium of courts of justice, whose duty it must be to declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void. Without this, all the reservations of particular rights or privileges would amount to nothing.

Some perplexity respecting the rights of the courts to pronounce legislative acts void, because contrary to the Constitution, has arisen from an imagination that the doctrine would imply a superiority of the judiciary to the legislative power. It is urged that the authority which can declare the acts of another void, must necessarily be superior to the one whose acts may be declared void. As this doctrine is of great importance in all the American constitutions, a brief discussion of the ground on which it rests cannot be unacceptable.

 

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The complete independence of the courts of justice is peculiarly essential in a limited Constitution. By a limited Constitution, I understand one which contains certain specified exceptions to the legislative authority; such, for instance, as that it shall pass no bills of attainder, no ex-post-facto laws, and the like. Limitations of this kind can be preserved in practice no other way than through the medium of courts of justice, whose duty it must be to declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void. Without this, all the reservations of particular rights or privileges would amount to nothing.

the judiciary ... is in continual jeopardy of being overpowered, awed, or influenced by its co-ordinate branches; and that as nothing can contribute so much to its firmness and independence as permanency in office, this quality may therefore be justly regarded as an indispensable ingredient in its constitution
 
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Okay, you posted one of the Federalist Papers.

Why? What is the purpose of this? Do you have some kind of point to make with this?
Allow me:
The Poster is not in the habit of posting things that they disagree with, and we can safely infer that if there’s no commentary to indicate that they “disagree“, then they agree with the posting they posted, even though they’re not going to articulate their own reasoning as to why this “correct” thing is important and to be agreed with by all rationally thinking folk!

TL;DR It’s “bait”.
 
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Whoever attentively considers the different departments of power must perceive, that, in a government in which they are separated from each other, the judiciary, from the nature of its functions, will always be the least dangerous to the political rights of the Constitution; because it will be least in a capacity to annoy or injure them.

The Executive not only dispenses the honors, but holds the sword of the community. The legislature not only commands the purse, but prescribes the rules by which the duties and rights of every citizen are to be regulated. The judiciary, on the contrary, has no influence over either the sword or the purse; no direction either of the strength or of the wealth of the society; and can take no active resolution whatever. It may truly be said to have neither FORCE nor WILL, but merely judgment; and must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm even for the efficacy of its judgments.
 
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The legislature not only commands the purse
The legislature has already commanded the purse to, say, pay farmers for food, or pay farmers for investing in improved equipment.

So when the executive withholds payments already commanded, the farmers sue, and the case goes before the judiciary, who base their judgment on the commands already enacted by the legislature.

It is not the will of the judge, but the enacted will of the legislature, that these farmers be paid.
 
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The Judiciary Department
From McLEAN'S Edition, New York.
HAMILTON
To the People of the State of New York:

WE PROCEED now to an examination of the judiciary department of the proposed government.

In unfolding the defects of the existing Confederation, the utility and necessity of a federal judicature have been clearly pointed out. It is the less necessary to recapitulate the considerations there urged, as the propriety of the institution in the abstract is not disputed; the only questions which have been raised being relative to the manner of constituting it, and to its extent. To these points, therefore, our observations shall be confined.

The manner of constituting it seems to embrace these several objects: 1st. The mode of appointing the judges. 2d. The tenure by which they are to hold their places. 3d. The partition of the judiciary authority between different courts, and their relations to each other.

First. As to the mode of appointing the judges; this is the same with that of appointing the officers of the Union in general, and has been so fully discussed in the two last numbers, that nothing can be said here which would not be useless repetition.

Second. As to the tenure by which the judges are to hold their places; this chiefly concerns their duration in office; the provisions for their support; the precautions for their responsibility.

According to the plan of the convention, all judges who may be appointed by the United States are to hold their offices DURING GOOD BEHAVIOR; which is conformable to the most approved of the State constitutions and among the rest, to that of this State. Its propriety having been drawn into question by the adversaries of that plan, is no light symptom of the rage for objection, which disorders their imaginations and judgments. The standard of good behavior for the continuance in office of the judicial magistracy, is certainly one of the most valuable of the modern improvements in the practice of government. In a monarchy it is an excellent barrier to the despotism of the prince; in a republic it is a no less excellent barrier to the encroachments and oppressions of the representative body. And it is the best expedient which can be devised in any government, to secure a steady, upright, and impartial administration of the laws.

Whoever attentively considers the different departments of power must perceive, that, in a government in which they are separated from each other, the judiciary, from the nature of its functions, will always be the least dangerous to the political rights of the Constitution; because it will be least in a capacity to annoy or injure them. The Executive not only dispenses the honors, but holds the sword of the community. The legislature not only commands the purse, but prescribes the rules by which the duties and rights of every citizen are to be regulated. The judiciary, on the contrary, has no influence over either the sword or the purse; no direction either of the strength or of the wealth of the society; and can take no active resolution whatever. It may truly be said to have neither FORCE nor WILL, but merely judgment; and must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm even for the efficacy of its judgments.

This simple view of the matter suggests several important consequences. It proves incontestably, that the judiciary is beyond comparison the weakest of the three departments of power1; that it can never attack with success either of the other two; and that all possible care is requisite to enable it to defend itself against their attacks. It equally proves, that though individual oppression may now and then proceed from the courts of justice, the general liberty of the people can never be endangered from that quarter; I mean so long as the judiciary remains truly distinct from both the legislature and the Executive. For I agree, that "there is no liberty, if the power of judging be not separated from the legislative and executive powers.''2 And it proves, in the last place, that as liberty can have nothing to fear from the judiciary alone, but would have every thing to fear from its union with either of the other departments; that as all the effects of such a union must ensue from a dependence of the former on the latter, notwithstanding a nominal and apparent separation; that as, from the natural feebleness of the judiciary, it is in continual jeopardy of being overpowered, awed, or influenced by its co-ordinate branches; and that as nothing can contribute so much to its firmness and independence as permanency in office, this quality may therefore be justly regarded as an indispensable ingredient in its constitution, and, in a great measure, as the citadel of the public justice and the public security.

The complete independence of the courts of justice is peculiarly essential in a limited Constitution. By a limited Constitution, I understand one which contains certain specified exceptions to the legislative authority; such, for instance, as that it shall pass no bills of attainder, no ex-post-facto laws, and the like. Limitations of this kind can be preserved in practice no other way than through the medium of courts of justice, whose duty it must be to declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void. Without this, all the reservations of particular rights or privileges would amount to nothing.

Some perplexity respecting the rights of the courts to pronounce legislative acts void, because contrary to the Constitution, has arisen from an imagination that the doctrine would imply a superiority of the judiciary to the legislative power. It is urged that the authority which can declare the acts of another void, must necessarily be superior to the one whose acts may be declared void. As this doctrine is of great importance in all the American constitutions, a brief discussion of the ground on which it rests cannot be unacceptable.

You are right to see that Judicial review was not really established in the USA from the beginning. However, it was not really forbidden either, though there are some suggestions in this Federalist Paper, which of course is not a legal document. The case Marbury vs. Madison (1803) established judicial review of the other branches. I doubt that the Supreme Court will give it up either. If Trump were to suggest otherwise, we will have a constitutional crisis.
 
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Here's the problem. Alexander Hamilton and the founding fathers of the USA envisioned the Judicial Branch to be the weakest of the 3 branches of the federal government. Today, we have over 600 district court federal judges. How in the world does it make any logical sense that those low-level district court federal judges have the authority to stop the chief executive officer of the USA? The POTUS is the highest elected official in the Constitution and has very often throughout our history over the last many decades been called the most powerful person in our nation. Yet, the will of the people invested in a POTUS is thwarted by a district court judge who has no authority to actually enforce the judgments of his court.
The legislature has already commanded the purse to, say, pay farmers for food, or pay farmers for investing in improved equipment.

So when the executive withholds payments already commanded, the farmers sue, and the case goes before the judiciary, who base their judgment on the commands already enacted by the legislature.

It is not the will of the judge, but the enacted will of the legislature, that these farmers be paid.
If the legislative branch with the power of the purse chooses to not stop the executive branch, then that should be within the purview of the legislative branch to decide because they have the authority and the mechanisms to enforce their decisions.
 
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How in the world does it make any logical sense that those low-level district court federal judges have the authority to stop the chief executive officer of the USA?

Limitations of this kind can be preserved in practice no other way than through the medium of courts of justice, whose duty it must be to declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void.

(If the head honcho don't like it, he can appeal to a higher court.)

If the legislative branch with the power of the purse chooses to not stop the executive branch, then that should be within the purview of the legislative branch
Just because we have a gutless legislature doesn't oblige us to have an impotent judiciary.
 
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Here's the problem. Alexander Hamilton and the founding fathers of the USA envisioned the Judicial Branch to be the weakest of the 3 branches of the federal government.
And it clearly is. It has only the power to review law *IF* that law is a matter of controversy between parties in a lawsuit. (Did X violate law Y, etc.) The power of general judicial review is *NOT* part of the US Constitution.
Today, we have over 600 district court federal judges.
Because we have lots of federal criminal and civil cases across 50 states. Very, very few of them involve Donald Trump.
How in the world does it make any logical sense that those low-level district court federal judges have the authority to stop the chief executive officer of the USA?
Judges make rules on illegal actions, etc. If WalMart is sued in the US District Court for the District of Arizona over labor practices by workers at a store in Mesa, should the judge be limited only ruling against the company-wide policy for those workers? That store? Any WalMart in the District of Arizona?
The POTUS is the highest elected official in the Constitution and has very often throughout our history over the last many decades been called the most powerful person in our nation. Yet, the will of the people invested in a POTUS is thwarted by a district court judge who has no authority to actually enforce the judgments of his court.
If he brakes the law written by Congress, then who else is going to rule against him in a court case? Is he immune from seeing that the laws are faithfully executed?
 
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I wonder if the population increasing 120 times what it was in 1790 has anything to do with there being 600 district court judges.
 
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Here's the problem. Alexander Hamilton and the founding fathers of the USA envisioned the Judicial Branch to be the weakest of the 3 branches of the federal government. Today, we have over 600 district court federal judges. How in the world does it make any logical sense that those low-level district court federal judges have the authority to stop the chief executive officer of the USA? The POTUS is the highest elected official in the Constitution and has very often throughout our history over the last many decades been called the most powerful person in our nation. Yet, the will of the people invested in a POTUS is thwarted by a district court judge who has no authority to actually enforce the judgments of his court.

If the legislative branch with the power of the purse chooses to not stop the executive branch, then that should be within the purview of the legislative branch to decide because they have the authority and the mechanisms to enforce their decisions.
The will of the people invested in a POTUS is misplaced. It is in the legislature that the will of the people is to be expressed. The POTUS must "take care that the laws are faithfully executed." Those laws are written by the legislature which has oversight over the manner in which the President carries out his duties to the point of being able to remove him from office. You are right that the Courts have only the power to make legal judgements. It is up to the legislature to heed them.
 
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The will of the people invested in a POTUS is misplaced. It is in the legislature that the will of the people is to be expressed. The POTUS must "take care that the laws are faithfully executed." Those laws are written by the legislature which has oversight over the manner in which the President carries out his duties to the point of being able to remove him from office. You are right that the Courts have only the power to make legal judgements. It is up to the legislature to heed them.
I agree with the point you are making. However, it is also true that a POTUS is the highest ranking elected official by which all of the American voters can express their will via their votes.
 
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(If the head honcho don't like it, he can appeal to a higher court.)


Just because we have a gutless legislature doesn't oblige us to have an impotent judiciary.
I understand what you're saying, but I disagree with your conclusions.
 
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If he brakes the law written by Congress, then who else is going to rule against him in a court case? Is he immune from seeing that the laws are faithfully executed?
The ruling should not be coming from the lowest levels of the federal courts.
 
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The ruling should not be coming from the lowest levels of the federal courts.
That's how our legal process works. You start at the lowest level and appeal upwards if you don't like the outcome.
 
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I agree with the point you are making. However, it is also true that a POTUS is the highest ranking elected official by which all of the American voters can express their will via their votes.

Yep except nope. The electoral college chooses the president. Popular vote means nothing. You can ask Hillary and George W.
 
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