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Or perhaps we will be a worse nation when the lives of 50,000 Palestinians, half children, many more women are dismissed with a shrug.
Hamas is less than 1% of Palestine's population. Killing everyone to get 30,000 is like looking at a "Where's Waldo" page, hoping to "get" Waldo, and setting the whole page on fire.
Failure to be horrified weakens our moral fabric as a natuon.
 
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Or perhaps we will be a worse nation when the lives of 50,000 Palestinians, half children, many more women are dismissed with a shrug.
Hamas is less than 1% of Palestine's population. Killing everyone to get 30,000 is like looking at a "Where's Waldo" page, hoping to "get" Waldo, and setting the whole page on fire.
Failure to be horrified weakens our moral fabric as a natuon.
The jihadists brought death and destruction upon themselves.
 
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The jihadists brought death and destruction upon themselves.
And shrugging about the 50,000 innocent women and children makes our nation more callous, more cruel, more immoral--not better.
It shouldn't take the deaths of 100 innocents to kill one terrorist.
 
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And shrugging about the 50,000 innocent women and children makes our nation more callous, more cruel, more immoral--not better.
It shouldn't take the deaths of 100 innocents to kill one terrorist.
Polls showed the Gazans favor the killing of Jews. I am sorry they are willing to let their babies die for jihad. Because of this Arab countries around them that want peace are reluctant to take them in. Those aliens who support jihad need to be deported.
 
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We will be better off as a nation with these foreign dissidents gone.
Correct.
Once the foreign dissidents are gone, we can concentrate on capturing the domestic dissidents.

Ain’t it grand?
 
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You are right to a degree, but even though 66% want Hamas to govern Gaza, that leaves 34% of the 50,000 (i.e. 16,500) complete and absolute and total innocents, most women and children, callously murdered.
Should I go, "Yippee! They only murdered 16,500 total innocents, most women and children, because they lost 1200? And with a little bit of luck, they'll soon get another 16,500?"

But I have a question for you. If you were one of the 60% of Palestinians in Gaza who had a family member murdered by Netanyahu's troops, would you want to be governed by the murderers?

The results from the latest survey, published on June 12, showed that more than 60% of Palestinians in Gaza reported losing family members in the current war, which has killed more than 39,000 Palestinians. Two-thirds of respondents said they continue to support the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attack on Israel, in which militants killed 1,200 people and took at least 240 hostages, and 80% believe it put the Palestinian issue at the center of global attention. https://www.npr.org/2024/07/26/g-s1-12949/khalil-shikaki-palestinian-polling-israel-gaza-hamas
 
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They were not murdered by Israel's army. War is UGLY, and it always has been and that ain't never going to change. When Hamas and Hezbollah stop attacking innocent Israelis, then the civilians in Gaza and Lebanon will be able to stop worrying about becoming the tragic and unfortunate collateral damage of the war started by the jihadists.
 
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They were not murdered by Israel's army. War is UGLY, and it always has been and that ain't never going to change. When Hamas and Hezbollah stop attacking innocent Israelis, then the civilians in Gaza and Lebanon will be able to stop worrying about becoming the tragic and unfortunate collateral damage of the war started by the jihadists.
Prisoners in an open-air gulag should just shut-up and accept their lot?
 
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Gaza was not a gulag at all.
There is a third option. That Gaza is a gulag, but who exactly are the guards??? Personally, I see hamas as a fascist dictatorship, who seized power in the Gaza Strip after one election decades ago, in which they did not obtain a majority of votes. Then, in defence against that fascist dictatorship, the Israelis have to limit hamas's war-making capability, which sadly impacts ordinary Gazans. The Egyptians also want to limit conflict, and help by limiting hamas's war making capacity. So, IMHO the Gulag has three sets of guards. hamas, Israel and Egypt.
 
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