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It was constitutionally motivated. It's kinda their job. To make sure that elected officials obey the law and comply with the constitution. Look, a couple of things here...
One, it seems that some of these gang members are really bad dudes. They deserve to be punished for any crimes that they have done and then deported. Or deport them to somewhere where they'll serve a sentence. I've got no problem with that.
Two, the judge hasn't said that you can't deport these guys. I'm pretty certain that he'd agree that they need to be. But he's said that you can't do it in the manner that Trump had decreed. There needs to be due process.
Three, if these guys are as bad as is being said, then there are plenty of options to deal with them using due process. Using the particular act that Trump is trying to do is skipping that due process. And as bad as some of these guys might be, dealing drugs to kids, rapists, murderers, then due process is still required. I don't want to live in a country when it's not automatic and I guess that you don't either.
Four, can everyone please drop the inane 'theses judges are not elected' line. They are either nominated (unelected) or they are elected. And do you honestly think that someone who is elected by a majority of Democrats is not going to have some bias against Republicans? Or vice versa? And hey, I didn't hear any complaints about these unelected people being placed into positions when they can decide cases against the government when there were three 'conservative' judges nominated to the SC. So please...just stop.
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Far too many judges have allowed their political ideology to be a big influence in their judicial decisions. Also, the numbers demonstrate that Donald Trump's Executive orders and Executive actions have a much greater chance of being sued & brought before a liberal judge than any other POTUS in recent decades.
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You couldn't follow that?
I'm saying: much like what Trump and his yes-men spout off so often, the eternal torment/immortal souls doctrine is complete and utter BS with almost zero basis in Scripture, but all you had to do was have certain people put in authority claim it as unmistakable/undeniable truth all the time throughout the centuries, and most Christians unfortunately have come to believe it as a result. Because they want to believe it.
(And no, before you go yelling "Jesus taught hell!" - and He technically didn't since hell was never the original wording; it was Gehenna - in response, I'm not going to argue about that here. Do a search on my posts at CF involving the words "conditional immortality", "hell", or "eternal torment", and you'll get more than enough information that should at least make you stop long enough to wonder to yourself: say, just why is it that the Bible barely ever uses terminology that sounds anything like eternal torment in hell, while there is an abundance of clear and unmistakable language describing the fate of my personal enemies as being the exact opposite of living forever in torment - i.e. literal death and destruction? )
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How many of these lackadaisical judges have been appointed by Democrats?
How many of these lackadaisical judges have been appointed by Republicans?
Donald Rumsfeld said:
Same with judges. Whoever sitting on the various benches are probably “good enough”; wanting to change judges to get a better outcome for an Administration is natural enough, but it ain’t the way we do things in this nation and it would be ill-advised to begin to try.
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You do realize that Jesus spoke about Hell more than he did about heaven? Was Jesus lying? Your statement doesn't sound very biblical.
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Matthew 25:46 -Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.
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Labeling people as gang members and deporting them without due process is not a rightious act IMO.
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Incorrect reasoning. The only condition under which this argument would work is if it were demonstrably the case that Mr. Trump is not abusing his authority any more than preceding Presidents.
In other words, it is entirely plausible that the reason why Mr Trump's orders are being brought befor judges is because they are questionable orders, not because Mr Trump is being singled out unfairly.
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It is plausible that what you wrote in the 2nd paragraph is true. However, the huge discrepancy in numbers suggests otherwise especially when "judge shopping" the lawsuits to progressive left wing judges.
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Thousands of federal workers have been abruptly fired and rehired, but some remain in the dark about what comes next.
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The overall effect of DOGE will be to jeopardize the delivery of essential federal services and functions.
Fired, rehired and baffled: Confusion reigns for thousands of reinstated federal workers
Thousands of federal workers have been abruptly fired and rehired, but some remain in the dark about what comes next.
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The overall effect of DOGE will be to jeopardize the delivery of essential federal services and functions.
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Because (and I thought that this was blazingly obvious) he's breaking so many laws and ignoring so much of the constitution. Gee, there's a greater chance that he'll be brought to book? Whoda thought...
Note: it's not a plus for you guys and it's not a negative for the judiciary that this is happening. It's the way the system is meant to work.
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