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Girls Forced to Undress In Front Of Transgirl in School

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I can already see the comparison to the civil rights movement coming, and what we did 60 years ago we don't do anymore.
This is not the same
They've already been doing that. The problem has ALWAYS been there is NO WAY to reliably determine if someone actually has gender dysphoria or not. Are they pretending? Do they have other comorbitities that are causing problems and they aren't trans? Do they have autogynaphelia? Is it a phase? As a child will they desist? This issue is NOT like other mental health issues. People with other mental health issues don't demand the same things. They havent joined the lgb community. They dont suddenly become mentally ill and then stop by the time they are 18. It is typically a life long illness that they recognize as an illness. And most don't revel in it, join parades, make unreasonable demands on others unless they are so mentally ill they have no idea what they are doing. And I don't think that is a claim the trans community is making.

If the trans community simply accepted the same civil rights that all mentally ill people get, then that would be acceptable. But they want more than that.
 
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They've already been doing that. The problem has ALWAYS been there is NO WAY to reliadetermine if someone actually has gender dysphoria or not. Are they pretending? Do they have other comorbitities that are causing problems and they aren't trans? Do they have autogynaphelia?
Especially with kids there could be other issues, with adults they could just be a voyeur or a flasher
 
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Especially with kids there could be other issues, with adults they could just be a voyeur or a flasher
Yup, and if the claim is they are trans they don't even have to wear a raincoat.
 
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Caught and stopped? How about attempts at prevention. We HAVE to wait until something happens now? Nothing we can do to help prevent any of it in rhe first place. Is that how the left treats climate change? Is that how they are treating Trumps agenda? Not cincerned about any of it until something happens?

Yes, unless you are going to invent the department of pre-crime you haveto wait until they do something wrong. That is how causality works.
Well we have evidence of it happening regarding the trans stuff. But still no concern or issues with prevention?

We also have evidence of priests abusing kids. The minute you start limiting their rights as a preventative measure I'll start considering it for trans.
 
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Yes, unless you are going to invent the department of pre-crime you haveto wait until they do something wrong. That is how causality works.


We also have evidence of priests abusing kids. The minute you start limiting their rights as a preventative measure I'll start considering it for trans.
If I was Catholic I would take precautions about leaving children alone with Priests, with Protestants too.
As far as rights since when do biological males have a right to invade women’s spaces?
 
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Yes, unless you are going to invent the department of pre-crime you haveto wait until they do something wrong. That is how causality works.
That's baloney and you know it. We as a society have always done things with an eye toward prevention. Why on on earth do police departments have prevention programs. We have programs that work with women to teach them how to try and prevent crime from happening to them. We have neighborhood watches as crime preventative measures. You know this. Your comment was rather silly.

Neighborhood Crime Prevention


We also have evidence of priests abusing kids. The minute you start limiting their rights as a preventative measure I'll start considering it for trans.
We also have evidence of teachers abusing kids all across the country.

We all know in almost all circumstances that it's men doing the assaulting of women or abusing women with their perversion. If you keep the men out of womens spaces you will help prevent the abuse of women. It just fascinating that you have abandoned women in favor of perverted men.
 
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We also have evidence of priests abusing kids.
I would have zero problems with limiting priestly access. Instead however you and others wish to GIVE access that up until 10 minutes ago was denied by society. Instead of calling for less access you are calling for more access. It's just bizarre.
 
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If I was Catholic I would take precautions about leaving children alone with Priests, with Protestants too.
Let us know when those precautions are put into the law.
As far as rights since when do biological males have a right to invade women’s spaces?
When did you stop beating your wife?
 
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I would have zero problems with limiting priestly access. Instead however you and others wish to GIVE access that up until 10 minutes ago was denied by society. Instead of calling for less access you are calling for more access. It's just bizarre.
Odd that there have been no calls for limiting access then. I only hear about calls for trans. let me know when you get that ground swell of limiting access.
 
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Let us know when those precautions are put into the law.

When did you stop beating your wife?
There’s already laws against molesting children or even enticing them for immoral purposes
 
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Odd that there have been no calls for limiting access then. I only hear about calls for trans. let me know when you get that ground swell of limiting access.
No you haven't. The ground swelling is here. The large majority of Americans wish to limit access of biological males to biological females private spaces such as locker rooms and bathrooms. In other words, they want men kept out. Whether they are trans or not. This issue in one of the reasons Trump was elected. Keep men out of womens spaces. The call isn't just about trans. It's about men. Which trans-women are. Men are the problem here. Transwoman or not. And as we see in the OP it's a complete violation of the girls right to privacy to force them to undress in front of a male.
 

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Odd that there have been no calls for limiting access then. I only hear about calls for trans. let me know when you get that ground swell of limiting access.
This thread is not about child molesters. In other words it's not about adults molesting children. Let's not get off track. Because if it were we could talk about teachers as well. Let's stick to the topic of allowing males access to women's spaces.
 
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Please stop.
Let us all stop. All this hysteria over transgendered girls is ridiculous.
You know darn well that if I started undressing in front of you, you would put me in jail.
Making this awfully personal, eh? I can't answer this as asked.
How about you try undressing in the men's locker room the next time you go to the gym and let us know how it goes.
First off, it really depends on the circumstances of the undressing in front of me. Believe it or not, I have been around naked men and I have never yet been compelled to try to put any of them in jail.

Second, all too many of those complaining are grown-ups not a school child. They are sexualizing a child that just wants to change their clothes, or pee, not expose themself or gawk at others.

Third, if some random person - who definitely is not the poster who came up with this stoopid scenario - just out of the blue undressed in front of me (on the street, in the ladies' room not in the stall) I would want him or her to get help because this is not usual; I would be more concerned than horrified or angry.

How about you try undressing in the men's locker room the next time you go to the gym and let us know how it goes.
Someone :rolleyes: really didn't follow the gist of my post very well if this is their got'cha argument.
 
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This thread is not about child molesters. In other words it's not about adults molesting children. Let's not get off track. Because if it were we could talk about teachers as well. Let's stick to the topic of allowing males access to women's spaces.

This is what happens when certain movements glom onto others in order to get "numbers", but really have nothing in common with them.

Sadly, we're not far off from the extreme being referenced.

There were already some dipping their toes in the water of trying to rebrand "pedophiles" as "minor-attracted persons"

In 2022, the NIH was doing studies to determine which labels were either preferred, or "considered offensive", to those kinds of people.



Our tax dollars at work folks...


Had it been left uninterrupted; the previous trajectory was headed right towards "minor-attracted persons" being grouped in with the rest of the acronym.


Many things that were called "slippery slope fallacies" 15 years ago ended up coming true.



I touched on it in this post


Dennis Prager was absolutely right about where things were headed.
 
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There weren't any stalls in the locker room at my school, at least not in the male locker room.
Then that must be how all schools are, I guess. Including this one where the administration said “When both our middle schools were renovated in 2017, we added five private changing stations within each locker room that are available to all students. All students also have multiple options to change in a private location separate from the locker room if they wish.”
 
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Cool. I self identify as a woman and go into your locker room and say, "to heck with the stalls," and I expose my full glory with all the accessories right in front of you. What do you do next?
I say “OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!” and collapse onto the floor before I disappear into a cloud of vapor because the sight of genitalia is too much for me to take.

I mean really. What do you think I would do next? I’d do what common locker room courtesy is… What I do for anybody getting changed. Give you space, not look at you, and engage in my favorite activity… Minding my own business. Whatever you have either I have myself or have seen before.
 
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Then that must be how all schools are, I guess. Including this one where the administration said “When both our middle schools were renovated in 2017, we added five private changing stations within each locker room that are available to all students. All students also have multiple options to change in a private location separate from the locker room if they wish.”
I didn't say that was the case in all locker rooms. But there can be other problems like being late for class because you had to wait on the private changing area or had to go to another location to access it
 
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Let us all stop. All this hysteria over transgendered girls is ridiculous.
I believe the hysteria is all on the side of those who want men in women's spaces think it's really necessary or important for men to get naked around women or girls.
First off, it really depends on the circumstances of the undressing in front of me. Believe it or not, I have been around naked men and I have never yet been compelled to try to put any of them in jail.
Exactly. What you do in the privacy of your own space with however many men is your own business.

Men in public spaces who want to get naked around female strangers are either perverted or sick. Or men or boys who want to watch female strangers to undress in front of them in public areas.
Second, all too many of those complaining are grown-ups not a school child. They are sexualizing a child that just wants to change their clothes, or pee, not expose themself or gawk at others.
Except children have complained. Because kids have a sense of propriety when in public spaces like the OP. Teens especially are self conscious about their bodies. The girls don't need some dude gawking at them in thier private spaces or subjecting them unwillingly to their nakedness.
I would want him or her to get help because this is not usual; I would be more concerned than horrified or angry.
Why its perfectly normal and acceptable.
 
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I say “OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!” and collapse onto the floor before I disappear into a cloud of vapor because the sight of genitalia is too much for me to take.

I mean really. What do you think I would do next? I’d do what common locker room courtesy is… What I do for anybody getting changed. Give you space, not look at you, and engage in my favorite activity… Minding my own business. Whatever you have either I have myself or have seen before.
If you are a biological woman i don't believe your little story about what you'd do. If you are in a womans space some dude walks in and gets naked in front of you you don't mind your own business. You have proven to not be that kind of person by virtue of these threads. You want to tell everyone else they should be perfectly fine with men in women's spaces, regardless of how the women feel about it.

If you really minded your own business you wouldn't be doing that.
 
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