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Should Trump deport permanent residents that claim Jan 6 was an insurrection?
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No, he should not.... and I have not seen any evidence that would suggest that Trump is even thinking about it.
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I assume you are talking about the whole Mahmoud Khalil situation
Khalil openly supported Hamas and called for violence against Israelis. His organization (CUAD) called for armed resistance against Israel and for Columbia to divest from that country. He engaged in sit-ins, disruptions, tent encampments on campus, etc., in violation of school policy.
Now whether or not he deserves to be deported is a tricky issue --I would say probably not
but there isn't a Democrat, or person on the left, in this country who would object to a Neo-Nazi from another country, who staged protests on a college campus, from getting deported.
so let's not pretend the Democrats are doing this based on some political or ethical principle
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In a democracy people should be able to express their beliefs without fear of reprisal.
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I'm not in your country. But If I was I would strenuously object. The laws apply to everyone. Not just to people who have views with which we agree. Or even disagree. Your statement is nonsensical in any case. There would obviously be many on the left who would object to someone being deported simply because they were protesting. Whatever their views.
You're not even using a brush to paint people with what you think must be their views. You're using a paint bomb. Try cranking it back a little. If you'd have said that 'there are probably some on the left who would want a neo Nazi deported for their views', then I'd have agreed with you. Go Defcon 1 every time and it just looks like you're looking for an argument. Plus you'll be wrong most of the time.
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Like, as in, deport them to a concentration camp and do tests on them? I'm not sure, I can't decide on yes or no..
...Leaning slightly more towards yes though, but still undecided.
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I'm not sure if I should listen to the angel on my left shoulder wearing all black, or the one on my right, all in white. Any suggestions? I'm stumped here.
...They both seem so logical.
...They both seem so logical.
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That's not what she said. She wasn't referring to all Trump supporters, only some of them ("those MAGA extremists [who] take their marching orders from Donald Trump," and she didn't say that she wanted to "reprogram" them, but suggested that "maybe...something needs to happen."
The exact quote:
“Sadly, so many of those extremists, those MAGA extremists, take their marching orders from Donald Trump, who has no credibility left by any measure. He’s only in it for himself. He’s now defending himself in civil actions and criminal actions. And when do they break with him? Because at some point maybe there needs to be a formal deprogramming of the cult members. But something needs to happen.”
-- A2SG, always helpful to find exact quotes....
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Except she did not.
As anyone who reads what she said (or hears her say it herself) can plainly see.
-- A2SG, yes, I can plainly see that....
(Obscure Groo reference...IFYKY)
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