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Is that gold? If it is, maybe Trump is using it to show off his wealth?
Maybe he is a fan of the Indiana Jones movies and wants the prop?
Maybe he is trying hard to appeal to the Christians?
Dunno, don't really care.
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I personally like some of his ideas. For me the issue more lies in how he is going about it. In my opinion, he is doing to much too soon and that can send things on a tail spin. The fact that he appears to be showing little consideration for our neighbors and allies, and just painting them as advantageous and selfish, is not a good way to go about it, imo. Engaging in dialogue would have probably been more helpful, but I don't know how far he's gone there. I'm thinking n
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The thing is, H Clinton, J Biden and K Harris are not convicted felons, they haven't raped anyone, they haven't tried to steal the election, they haven't extorted foriegn leaders. I'm not sure what those people think are so bad about them other than them being D rather than R.
Whoever you have with D Nominee you will get a smear campaign on right wing media trying to demonise them. Whether they have actual dirt or just make stuff up, doesn't matter. They were trying to say Obama was a Muslim or was born in Kenya, H Clinton was supposed be in some sort of paedophile Pizza ring? Kamala had a kackle??? Biden had a drug addict son.
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Sorry, accidentally posted too soon. To conclude, it may be that he did try dialogue, but the fact that they appeared to be taken by surprise, thinking not much there. Dunno.
Anyway, federal reserve overall has a bigger influence on the economy, but public opinion does play a role, and can play a huge role.
Think it is just too much too soon for the sea not to react with churning waters and waves.
On his character, as a Christian I also believe that all men in their fallen nature are evil so we'd have to agree to disagree for those who don't believe.
That said, some men are more evolved in their thinking as to what makes for better relations between humans, societies, and cultures, although that may not line up with what God is doing. And, God can use our enemies to humble us. He did in the bible, calling them his instruments, and still does.
We are not under a dictatorship, as much as it may seem to some, so do what you can if you feel so led. Write your representatives, make your voice known, but he was voted in so unless he is impeached legally, we'll have to brace ourselves for a wild ride and for those that believe, pray.
Anyway, federal reserve overall has a bigger influence on the economy, but public opinion does play a role, and can play a huge role.
Think it is just too much too soon for the sea not to react with churning waters and waves.
On his character, as a Christian I also believe that all men in their fallen nature are evil so we'd have to agree to disagree for those who don't believe.
That said, some men are more evolved in their thinking as to what makes for better relations between humans, societies, and cultures, although that may not line up with what God is doing. And, God can use our enemies to humble us. He did in the bible, calling them his instruments, and still does.
We are not under a dictatorship, as much as it may seem to some, so do what you can if you feel so led. Write your representatives, make your voice known, but he was voted in so unless he is impeached legally, we'll have to brace ourselves for a wild ride and for those that believe, pray.
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It's a dog eat dog world.
It's the nature of the beast
Correct me if I'm wrong, but he was found innocent of most of what he was accused of.
You just don't know who to trust when there is, imo, quite a bit of fake news going around, and witch hunts, or, at the least, contaminated, so you hope the justice system does its job well.
And the fake news and witch hunt is my own formed opinion. Although i may have borrowed his words, not the opinion. And this stuff happens on both sides.
The media is not much help in gaining our confidence when it is quite apparent some of the major players have their own agenda.
I remember when Clinton was caught lying about having extramarital affairs with "that woman" as he called her. In the military that is a crime, and he was the head there.
Many did not appear to have an issue with it.
This is why I now take a back seat in regards to politics. I did my part in my younger years, although I was never consumed by it. Just wasn't in my heart. I'm good with passing the baton and praying for all. But that's me.
Whether you are a believer or not, my advise would be, don't let it make you bitter or hateful.It's not a good road to travel.
It's labor pains.
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A lot of people will put their partisan blinders on and vote for their party regardless of how bad their candidate is. They will overlook the badness and do their absolute best to demonize the opponent.
As a centrist independent, I saw Trump as an anomaly in the Republican party. He was exceptionally bad, so much so that I'm compelled to vote against him. I've never felt that way against any other Republican presidential candidate. Meanwhile, I saw nothing about Harris that made her any worse than the average Democrat politician. She wasn't a great option, as far as I was concerned, but she easily beat out Trump.
I can understand people voting against Harris because they think all Democrats are worse than ANY Republican candidate. They have a list of reasons for that, including abortion and LGBT issues. However, singling out Harris to be the bottom of the barrel for Democrats is a telling case of partisan demonization. ANY Democrat candidate running against Trump would have received the same treatment.
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I'll correct you. He spent $100 million dollars on lawyers who filed hundreds of procedural briefs and appeals to try to get the cases delayed or thrown out of court. The delays worked until the Supreme Court declared his immunity.
Immunity is not innocence. As matter of fact, it encourages him to break laws with impunity.
Even now in Arizona and elsewhere, cases are proceeding where he us an "unindicted Co conspirator." I imagine he was unindicted because Arizona knew if he brought his $100 million lawyers the case would drag on for years and justice would be denied. My take? If the indicted co conspirators are guilty, obviously he is, too.
As a matter of fact, I'd say that about almost all his cases.
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Trump was found guilty in court for 34 counts of fraud. It was only because he became president that they decided not to punish him other than to label him as a convicted felon. He was found guilty of crimes, anyone else would have seen either prison time or financial penalties.
With regards to the Documents case, Judge Cannon strangely decided that Special Councils aren't legal. She didn't say that Trump was innocent, she threw the case out because she says Jack Smith can't be prosecuting because she don't think Special Councils are valid Which is nonsense, and corrupt of her, but since Trump is now president, the system can't appeal this corrupt decision by Cannon, instead Jack dropped the charges.
With regards to the attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election, this one was withdrawn by Jack Smith once Trump won the 2024 presidential election. Trump was not proven innocent, this case was dropped because in USA sitting presidents aren't charged with crimes.
And then the fourth case was about racketeering to overturn the election in Georgia. This was specifically about the fake alternative electors. For this one, the State prosecutor Fani Willis has been disqualified due to a romantic relationship she had, the state can appoint another state prosecutor to continue with this case but it is unknown if a state is willing to prosecute a sitting President.
In none of these cases was Trump found innocent of crimes, in one he was found guilty of 34 crimes.
They have all not progressed due to Trump now being president.
None of these where hoaxes or a witchhunt.
No it doesn't happen on both sides. Trump is the only former president indicted for crimes, the only current president that is a Felon.
The crimes that Trump did, and the ones he was alleged of, have never been committed by other USA presidents.
Don't listen to opinion commentators. Listen to journalists, and news presenters about the facts.
Yeah, I think most people don't condone affairs.
But most people wouldn't fire employees because they have had an affair. That is their private life.
Good advice!
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Yes, it seems to me the US is not ready to make a female President. Female candidates are held to a different standard, which is why a major "campaign issue", such as Kamala's cackle. Seriously, can you see the way a man laughs becoming a campaign issue? For Clinton, you'd hear things about how her pantsuits, criticisms of looking dour or angry, etc. Basically, a woman running for President is criticized both for not being "strong" (which often is seen as a male characteristic), yet if they show strength then the criticism twists into how they aren't feminine enough. Their dress is criticized more, their behavior (such as how they laugh or their expressions), if they are "too soft" or "too hard" (with the "b" word often used if they come across as strong), etc.
In the coming decades, hopefully this will change; but I don't see it changing soon -- regardless of which party tries to nominate a woman for President.
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I find it so facinating how many people voted for trump are now upset at him, it's like what did you think he was going to do? Again only thing surprising about it, is how fast it's gone down hill.
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Hillary was well known for her illegal activities and her husband was a rapist. Joe was creepy that way too, and Kamala got her break in California politics by sleeping with her mentor. None of them are convicted felons however and you could say they are innocent until actually convicted.
The Democrats spent eight years going after Trump in a whopping smear campaign. Maybe you forgot about that but it was relentless. It started the very day Trump got the nomination in mid 2016. Before that the media was very friendly to Trump because it was their hope that Trump would kill off the other Republican nominees and then be an easy target for Hillary to defeat. But Hillary wasn't up to the challenge and lost the set up election.
Oh, by the way, Biden's drug addled son was helping Jill run the White House in Joe's mental absence. The story is finally coming out now.
The whole point is that even if Trump is that bad the other guys are filthy too. The best for this country would be to repudiate both swamp dwelling parties. You playing the 'D' side makes you look rather naively partisan. Most of the people who voted 'D' were not happy with either Joe or Kamala. Most of the people who voted 'R' were not happy with Trump. If they had the brains to all vote for someone else we would have had a better president. So don't make this about half of the country being Nazis. That's just 'D' propaganda.
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It's confusing to me liberals seem to think "convicted felon" is all that great of a talking point considering the various valid criticisms someone can make of the whole case against Trump that has been acknowledged even by Trump critics. Vox (hardly a conservative website!), discusses some of them here:
The best — and worst — criticisms of Trump’s conviction
Was Trump wrongly convicted? The debate, explained.
www.vox.com
This is a liberal source, so of course it tries to play down the criticisms (and, in fairness, some of the criticisms it discusses are over the top). But it still ultimately acknowledges that "Republicans have legitimate grounds for contesting Bragg’s case."
Fact Check: Was Donald Trump found guilty of rape?
Trump critics claimed he was found guilty of rape after E. Jean Carroll's lawsuit against him ended.
www.newsweek.com
I won't defend Trump on this one.
I don't know if Biden has been accused of extortion, but he sure got a lot of accusations regarding influence peddling (granted, it was his son that was primarily attacked--but Biden got some through him).
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Really? Where do you get your information from?
The only thing illegal that Hillary did was use a private email server for official communication.
Her husband Bill, didn't rape anyone. He just had an affair.
Joe, in what way is he creepy?
Kamala, there is no evidence that she got any role from sleeping with anyone. People have love lives right? It's pretty normal for people to get into relationships.
Huh?
You'd need to be more specific really.
The Russia investigation had nothing to do with the Democrats, it was the FBI, and then the Special Council under the purview of the Republican acting attorney general.
If there is any evidence of this, I've missed it, never heard of this.
Nah, not many people on the planet are as filthy as Trump. You are comparing Kamala's consensual romantic liaison with someone, to Trump's 34 Felony counts, his rape, his attempt to steal the election, the insurrection, his cheating on all his wives, his sleeping with a porn star, his stealing official documents and refusing to give them back, his extortion of Ukraine...
I'm not from USA. I have no affinity to the Democrat party.
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Don't know about you, but I looked at Trump from the prospective of a potential juror, considering the almost 90 charges leveled against him.
Most had already gone before grand juries.
And so as a juror, from the substantial information available in the media, I would have voted "Guilty" times 90.
After all, he is an "unindicted co-conspirator" in some other state cases, and I would have voted "Guilty" on those, too.
Is that unfair? I don't think so. I had to consider his character and evaluate all the charges.
If I had been a juror, perhaps one of those $100 million lawyers could have changed my mind on one or two of the charges, but I doubt it.
Most had already gone before grand juries.
And so as a juror, from the substantial information available in the media, I would have voted "Guilty" times 90.
After all, he is an "unindicted co-conspirator" in some other state cases, and I would have voted "Guilty" on those, too.
Is that unfair? I don't think so. I had to consider his character and evaluate all the charges.
If I had been a juror, perhaps one of those $100 million lawyers could have changed my mind on one or two of the charges, but I doubt it.
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Most voters knew going in that we were going to have one of two bad candidates become president. So it's no surprise that those who voted for Trump aren't all enthused. Had Kamala won we would see some similar buyer's remorse. We were gonna get a bad president either way. Please don't pretend otherwise.
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