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Trump says he’ll send ‘worst criminal aliens’ to Guantanamo
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You mean like how the January 6th protestors were held for four years without trial by the Biden "administration"? Gotcha.
Yes, since there's no problem with overcrowding in the U.S. prison system....
Well, for violent offenders---murderers, rapists, child molesters, sex traffickers, domestic abusers, armed robbers, gangbangers, dope pushers, etc., I for one am firmly in favor of using a rope to decorate telephone poles with them, frankly. And it doesn't matter if they're illegal aliens or American citizens. I suppose we could always blow the dust off Old Sparky, too, but electricity is expensive; rope works just as well, and it's a lot cheaper. Since there's so many of them, once this is done, the bodies could be processed into fertilizer and sold at a profit, with the proceeds being applied to the national debt.
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They could try putting to sea and landing on desolate spaces of American beach; or they could try tunning underneath the wall. Again, personally, I think we should just put a 25 to 30 mile-deep strip of land mines along the entire length of the border, just inside the wall. Stagger the mines randomly so they can't be found easily, but use plenty of them. These could be interspersed with concertina wire and even punji pits, if we want to get creative. So if you manage to get over the wall, good for you, but from there on, you're taking your chances.
As for the beaches, well, form citizen's patrols to keep constant watch. If they spot illegals rowing in, they can radio the Coast Guard and give the shore batteries something to shoot at. The sharks off the coasts of the United States would be the best-fed fish in the ocean.
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Nope. Most of the very few who were held until trial were either violent offenders or sovereign buttheads who couldn't deal with the legal system like normal people. None at all were held incommunicado and without legal advice.
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I support the death penalty for extreme offenses but not all of the offenses you’ve mentioned here I would consider to be extreme cases. Paul murdered Christians but he was given the opportunity to repent and believe. When you execute a sinner you take away their ability to repent and seal their fate on the lake of fire. I don’t see that all of the offenses you’ve listed above warrant such an extreme punishment.You mean like how the January 6th protestors were held for four years without trial by the Biden "administration"? Gotcha.
Yes, since there's no problem with overcrowding in the U.S. prison system....
Well, for violent offenders---murderers, rapists, child molesters, sex traffickers, domestic abusers, armed robbers, gangbangers, dope pushers, etc., I for one am firmly in favor of using a rope to decorate telephone poles with them, frankly. And it doesn't matter if they're illegal aliens or American citizens. I suppose we could always blow the dust off Old Sparky, too, but electricity is expensive; rope works just as well, and it's a lot cheaper. Since there's so many of them, once this is done, the bodies could be processed into fertilizer and sold at a profit, with the proceeds being applied to the national debt.
Try the Congressional Record or look up Stumblin' Joe's executive actions his first couple months in office.
They could try putting to sea and landing on desolate spaces of American beach; or they could try tunning underneath the wall. Again, personally, I think we should just put a 25 to 30 mile-deep strip of land mines along the entire length of the border, just inside the wall. Stagger the mines randomly so they can't be found easily, but use plenty of them. These could be interspersed with concertina wire and even punji pits, if we want to get creative. So if you manage to get over the wall, good for you, but from there on, you're taking your chances.
As for the beaches, well, form citizen's patrols to keep constant watch. If they spot illegals rowing in, they can radio the Coast Guard and give the shore batteries something to shoot at. The sharks off the coasts of the United States would be the best-fed fish in the ocean.
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Actually, I agree with you, up to a point; I think every offense should be judged on a case-by-case basis, and justice levied appropriately to the degree of the crime committed.
In my post above, I was just engaging in a bit of light hyperbole, similar to "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift.
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Nevermind, it was another episode of Trump 2, The Beclowning.
“There should have been a greater degree of planning before the execution. Now execution has begun, and everyone is trying to back into planning,” a source with knowledge of the situation previously told CNN.
It comes weeks after officials scrambled to set up additional housing for migrants at the controversial US base on the island — and only days after those on location were deported.
The Trump administration [originally] said it would be building out tent structures at Guantanamo Bay to house an anticipated 30,000 people transferred there from the southern border. But the sources said Monday that the tents don’t currently meet detention standards set by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Last week, more than 170 migrants at the naval base were flown to Venezuela, nearly emptying Guantanamo.
There are no migrants currently being housed at the MOC
US halts plan to house migrants in tents at Guantanamo amid concerns over conditions
The Trump administration has halted efforts to place migrants in tent structures built at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, amid concerns that the emerging facilities don’t meet detention standards because they lack air conditioning or electricity, a US official and a source familiar with the matter told CNN.“There should have been a greater degree of planning before the execution. Now execution has begun, and everyone is trying to back into planning,” a source with knowledge of the situation previously told CNN.
It comes weeks after officials scrambled to set up additional housing for migrants at the controversial US base on the island — and only days after those on location were deported.
The Trump administration [originally] said it would be building out tent structures at Guantanamo Bay to house an anticipated 30,000 people transferred there from the southern border. But the sources said Monday that the tents don’t currently meet detention standards set by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Last week, more than 170 migrants at the naval base were flown to Venezuela, nearly emptying Guantanamo.
There are no migrants currently being housed at the MOC
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Now to watch every conservative always having been against it.
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Like taking off shoes that are too tight. Such a relief to undo the counterproductive thing you did.
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Wasn't it Hegseth that pushed for using Guantanamo? Guess he didn't have to plan much on Fox and Friends Weekend....
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Trump administration rethinking Guantánamo immigrant detention plan amid cost issues and power struggles
Now, as agencies spar over responsibility for operations there and over blame for what has gone wrong, there is a growing recognition within the administration that it was a political decision that is just not working.Among the major issues, especially as the Trump administration works to slash spending throughout the government, is the cost. Taking detained immigrants to Guantánamo means flying them there, and the administration has sometimes chosen to use military planes that are expensive to operate.
How could even a stable genius foresee such an eventuality?
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All remaining migrants at Guantanamo Bay flown to Louisiana to await deportation
Well, that was certainly dumb, expensive and possibly illegal.All of the remaining migrants being held at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba have been moved to Louisiana over the last two days, according to a U.S. official.
In late January, President Donald Trump announced he was signing an executive order "to instruct the departments of Defense and Homeland Security to begin preparing the 30,000-person migrant facility at Guantanamo Bay."
U.S. officials confirmed the 195 tents, capable of housing 500 migrants, at Guantanamo Bay did not meet ICE's requirements for holding migrants, such as having air conditioning and other amenities.
U.S. officials told ABC News it is possible some of the hundreds of U.S. troops sent to the base to help prepare it to house migrants might be relocated to help with the southern border mission in another capacity.
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