I need to write a religious exemption letter I NEED YOUR HELP :)

KirkPsalm said:

I've plan to explain my feelings on the development of the vaccine and how i would feel like i am sanctioning the further development of drugs using fetal cells

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1. The mRNA vaccines such as pFizer and Moderna do not use fetal cell artifacts.
2. All other vaccines use replicated cells from one person in the 1950's so no new people are involved other than that one person over 70 years ago. No additional babies contribute to that technology other than the one that died 70 years ago. And the physical cells taken then have also long since died. We only have cells replicated from that left for us today.
3. So are you going to say that neither you nor any of your family has ever had any vaccine at all as a result of that conviction?
4. No matter how many people get vaccinated with the Johnson&Johnson standard vaccine technology - (whether that number is zero or a billion) no babies will be affected and even the cells from the one that died 70 years ago no longer exist - what does exist is replicated cells.

Here's a collection of resources you may find helpful, including templates and supporting legal information:

RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION COLLECTIONS AND RESOURCES | Orthodox Ethos

Ezana said:

RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION COLLECTIONS AND RESOURCES | Orthodox Ethos

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Huh. Thanks for posting. I am vaxxed, but going to do a deep dive into what St. Paithos said

In one of his books, entitled “Spiritual Counsels II:Spiritual Awakening,”Saint Paisios displays his gift of foresight by predicting that a new vaccine

I've seen too much on the internet lately completely misrepresenting or outright lying about what good men have said in order to further their own political purposes. When I followed the reference link in the document, I arrived here

36. Saint Paisios Warns Against the Vaccine
A Vaccine: Those Taking it will be Marked

Which is way too conspiracy related in it's interpretation of the quote it uses for me to take seriously. However, I do feel like the document as a whole is a good and relevant reason to practice religious exemption if one chooses. So, I'm going to order St. Paisios actual book, which I'm sure will do me good on balance to read as a whole. If I find anything different I will post an exerpt from a cell phone photo of the page. And if I find something completely beautiful and unrelated inside, I'll probably do that too

KirkPsalm said:

I am further going to assert that anything not done in faith is sin, referring to the verse at the end of Romans 14, to take i shot knowing what i know is a betrayal of my own conscience because i am a new creation in Christ i cannot do what i believe would not be pleasing to God

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While I probably could not help you with the first point, I feel like the document Ezana posted does make several strong arguments for that, which I was not aware of and now understand a little better. I have not checked the validity of any of it's referencing sources other than what I described above, but on the surface the seem like they may be legitimate, not sure. I probably could help someone write something on the Romans 14 point, and I feel like it alone would be valid reason for claiming religious exemption, if you are led in this direction. I'll give it a little thought and may post again later.

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Petros2015 said:

So, I'm going to order St. Paisios actual book, which I'm sure will do me good on balance to read as a whole. If I find anything different I will post an exerpt from a cell phone photo of the page. And if I find something completely beautiful and unrelated inside, I'll probably do that too

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$44. Ouch! Truth seeking is expensive lol. But, on it's way. I think it probably contains the quote as posted on the site, which talks about fish and lasers, btw. But hopefully something beautiful for me as well.

Oh and congratulations on converting to Orthodoxy

KirkPsalm said:

i do not desire to fire up a debate just looking for a little help. Thank you.
Hope this is in the right place.

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There's a potential easier straightforward way: Find an honest health provider who can show that you are allergic to specific and general, known and unknown?, ingredients in the poison jabs.

KirkPsalm said:

I've plan to explain my feelings on the development of the vaccine and how i would feel like i am sanctioning the further development of drugs using fetal cells and that i cannot condone that due to how we have been wonderfully made, referring to Ps. 139 and that i believe abortion is murder.

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I'm sorry, I have no idea how to help, but I have 2 questions.
Does the use of fetal cells necessarily mean that the babies were aborted? Could they not have died from miscarriage?
Is there any suggestion that doctors are aborting babies just to get their cells? If not, then the woman will have gone through the abortion already - which was presumably her choice. Could it not even be said that at least something good has come from something so awful/sad?

To me, there is a big difference between saying, "there aren't enough abortions taking place. We need to abort babies because we need the cells for further research". And "this abortion has already happened, can we use cells etc which would otherwise be thrown away? Can we make it so that this potential child did not die in vain?"

I don't know - just my thoughts.

Every abortion is a violation, an abomination, to God.
Nothing learned from the carnal flesh via the abomination of pharmakeia (death dealing) is good nor should be sought out nor used nor hoped for nor trusted at all.

Trust God. ALL that is GOOD , all that is NEEDED, is from ABOVE (from Him).

Aaron112 said:

Every abortion is a violation, an abomination, to God.
Nothing learned from the carnal flesh via the abomination of pharmakeia (death dealing) is good nor should be sought out nor used nor hoped for nor trusted at all.

Trust God. ALL that is GOOD , all that is NEEDED, is from ABOVE (from Him).

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Yes and I'm sure that Christians would agree with that.
But if someone is not a Christian, they don't believe that we are fearfully and wonderfully made, that life is from God and that we can trust him to supply all our needs, how can we force this upon them or expect them to adhere to it?
How can we tell an atheist to trust in God when they don't believe there is a God?

If a Muslim said to you, "well Allah said this, so you must do it" I am quite sure that you would reply, "no I don't; I don't accept/recognise Allah". And then the extremists among them would seek to inflict violence on you. That's how wars start - people trying to impose their views on others.

Strong in Him said:

How can we tell an atheist to trust in God when they don't believe there is a God?

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Perhaps do not say to trust in God.

Simply say it is immoral, it is wrong, to ever try to get an abortion.
Teach them this all the time, from birth thru college, and they will (or at least may) learn.

It is life-best to teach abortions are wrong and save a life
than to try to change someones belief and lose a life.

Always teach and testify to what is right.

Aaron112 said:

Perhaps do not say to trust in God.

Simply say it is immoral, it is wrong, to ever try to get an abortion.
Teach them this all the time, from birth thru college, and they will (or at least may) learn.

It is life-best to teach abortions are wrong and save a life
than to try to change someones belief and lose a life.

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If the OP wants, or is able to say "I am worried that this vaccine is made from the cells of aborted babies and I strongly oppose abortion on religious grounds"; fine.
IMO telling someone that abortion is wrong when they may not believe that it is, would be wrong also. It comes quite close to forcing your beliefs on others.

But the OP wanted help, not a debate.
I just asked a couple of questions; they can reject them, or think about them and take them on board.
I've said what I wanted to say.

Strong in Him said:

IMO telling someone that abortion is wrong when they may not believe that it is, would be wrong also. It comes quite close to forcing your beliefs on others.

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Simply tell them the truth - abortion is always wrong. (any exceptions are just that, exceptions)

Aaron112 said:

Simply tell them the truth - abortion is always wrong. (any exceptions are just that, exceptions)

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You should address this to the OP, not me. It's not my issue.