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Why did America start world war 2?

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Why do you think that happened? America did NOT START WWII.
Any more than Ukraine attacked Russia, no matter what the orange idiot says.

Although, by the time Hollywood gets through with it I'm sure that America will have won the war on their own...
 
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There is a crazy theory that America is a Racist dictatorship.
There is another new crazy Theory that if Dictatorship A invades Dictatorship B then Dictatorship B started the war
By combining the theories you can say
America started world war 2
 
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Why do you think that happened? America did NOT START WWII.
Well, that's what I always thought, but then I began hearing the gospel according to Trump, and thought, "Was I wrong all this time? Is the current president really right--that the country who is attacked is the one who starts the war?"
 
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I know this was meant to be "tongue-in-cheek" pertaining to Trump's comments about Ukraine. (which I agree were stupid)


But it could be a fun exercise to go over the ways in which the US did engage in provocation leading up to our ultimate involvement in WW2.


- The U.S. imposed economic sanctions, including freezing Japanese assets and cutting off exports of essential materials like oil, steel, and rubber in 1941.

- The U.S. reinforced bases in Hawaii, the Philippines, and Guam, signaling its intent to resist Japanese expansion.

- The U.S. provided Britain with 50 destroyers in exchange for access to British bases in the Atlantic, strengthening Britain’s naval capability.

- Roosevelt ordered a "shoot on sight" policy pertaining to any vessels from Germany, Italy, or Japan

- The Lend-Lease act of 1941

- The deployment of troops to Iceland and Greenland before our "formal" involvment.

- Provided direct military aid to two of their well-established adversaries.

The Hull Note would be another

  • The Hull Note (November 26, 1941), issued by Secretary of State Cordell Hull, insisted that in order to unfreeze their assets in American banks, Japan must:
    • Withdraw from China.
    • End its alliance with Germany and Italy.
    • Agree to open trade policies.


US foreign policy in the lead-up to our involvement in WW2 can be summed up in the phrase "C'mon, give us an excuse to get involved, I dare ya"


In 1941, then-Secretary of War Henry Stimson wrote in his diary, “Roosevelt brought up that we were likely to be attacked by the Japanese … the question was how we should maneuver them into the position of being the ones to fire the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.”
 
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I know this was meant to be "tongue-in-cheek" pertaining to Trump's comments about Ukraine. (which I agree were stupid)


But it could be a fun exercise to go over the ways in which the US did engage in provocation leading up to our ultimate involvement in WW2.


- The U.S. imposed economic sanctions, including freezing Japanese assets and cutting off exports of essential materials like oil, steel, and rubber in 1941.

- The U.S. reinforced bases in Hawaii, the Philippines, and Guam, signaling its intent to resist Japanese expansion.

- The U.S. provided Britain with 50 destroyers in exchange for access to British bases in the Atlantic, strengthening Britain’s naval capability.

- Roosevelt ordered a "shoot on sight" policy pertaining to any vessels from Germany, Italy, or Japan

- The Lend-Lease act of 1941

- The deployment of troops to Iceland and Greenland before our "formal" involvment.

- Provided direct military aid to two of their well-established adversaries.

The Hull Note would be another

  • The Hull Note (November 26, 1941), issued by Secretary of State Cordell Hull, insisted that in order to unfreeze their assets in American banks, Japan must:
    • Withdraw from China.
    • End its alliance with Germany and Italy.
    • Agree to open trade policies.


US foreign policy in the lead-up to our involvement in WW2 can be summed up in the phrase "C'mon, give us an excuse to get involved, I dare ya"


In 1941, then-Secretary of War Henry Stimson wrote in his diary, “Roosevelt brought up that we were likely to be attacked by the Japanese … the question was how we should maneuver them into the position of being the ones to fire the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.”
Wow, I think this is your worst post ever, Rob. You've attempted to translate "trying to maintain peace" as "engaging in provocation". :rolleyes: It doesn't work.
 
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The US did not enter WW2 until the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. It took us several months to build our military up enough to enter the Pacific theater. We also entered the European theater due to German U-boots sinking US supply ships. This was almost a year later, in November 1942.
I am unsure what rewrite of history is suggesting the US started the war. As it was, we were dragged, yelling and streaming into hostilities.
My father was a 2nd Lt in the occupation forces of Japan in 1945.
 

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I know this was meant to be "tongue-in-cheek" pertaining to Trump's comments about Ukraine. (which I agree were stupid)


But it could be a fun exercise to go over the ways in which the US did engage in provocation leading up to our ultimate involvement in WW2.


- The U.S. imposed economic sanctions, including freezing Japanese assets and cutting off exports of essential materials like oil, steel, and rubber in 1941.

- The U.S. reinforced bases in Hawaii, the Philippines, and Guam, signaling its intent to resist Japanese expansion.

- The U.S. provided Britain with 50 destroyers in exchange for access to British bases in the Atlantic, strengthening Britain’s naval capability.

- Roosevelt ordered a "shoot on sight" policy pertaining to any vessels from Germany, Italy, or Japan

- The Lend-Lease act of 1941

- The deployment of troops to Iceland and Greenland before our "formal" involvment.

- Provided direct military aid to two of their well-established adversaries.

The Hull Note would be another

  • The Hull Note (November 26, 1941), issued by Secretary of State Cordell Hull, insisted that in order to unfreeze their assets in American banks, Japan must:
    • Withdraw from China.
    • End its alliance with Germany and Italy.
    • Agree to open trade policies.


US foreign policy in the lead-up to our involvement in WW2 can be summed up in the phrase "C'mon, give us an excuse to get involved, I dare ya"


In 1941, then-Secretary of War Henry Stimson wrote in his diary, “Roosevelt brought up that we were likely to be attacked by the Japanese … the question was how we should maneuver them into the position of being the ones to fire the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.”
I think you are correct on most of this. But I also recall that the American public had no taste for war at that time. There is a conspiracy theory that says we allowed the attack on Pearl Harbor to provoke the public to get behind in entering the war. I doubt it...
 
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You're confused. America started the Korean war, the Vietnam war, and the Iraq war.
The Korean War began when North Korea invaded South Korea.
The Vietnam War started as a rebellion against French Colonialism.
The Iraq war began as a result of internal conflict, including the bombing of Al-Askari Shrine by terrorists. A coalition of nations invaded to oust Sadam Hussian and disarm Iraq of any weapons of mass destruction.
 
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the gospel according to Trump....
And there it is....the Gospel once delivered by Jesus Christ of Nazareth continues on its path of corruption.
 
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