John 14:6 no man comes to the Father except through me(Jesus)

mikepoon said:

Thank you for highlighting this powerful statement of Jesus! In John 14:6, Jesus says, ‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.’
This verse shows us that Jesus is not just one of many ways to God—He is the only way. Why? Because only Jesus dealt with the problem of sin that separates us from God. Through His death and resurrection, He made it possible for us to be forgiven and reconciled to the Father.
Acts 4:12 affirms this: ‘Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.’
While this truth may seem exclusive, it is also incredibly inclusive because salvation is offered to everyone who believes in Jesus. John 3:16 says, ‘For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.’
I’d love to hear your thoughts on this and discuss further if you have questions!

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I agree 100% but don’t leave out John 3;17 “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through him. And Jesus did not fail in his mission. Jesus will get 100% of what he paid for God will not be robbed.

JulieB67 said:

Christ didn't fail. People fail. If your reasoning was right there would be no need for a book of life. There would be no need for him to blot out people of the book of life. There would be no need for the Lake of Fire to be called the "second death" Christ would not need to warn people that the only one to fear is our Father who is able to destroy (fully in the Greek) both body and soul in hell. That is the second death. Anyone not found in the book of life is thrown in. It is not a refinery, it's never described as such. People are refined in their lifetimes, not the Lake of Fire. There is not one verse that states it is one. Christ states it is the Second Death. And there is such a thing as apostasy. People can depart from the truth.

John 3:17 "For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved."

Why is our Father so long suffering? Because he doesn't want anyone to perish but come to repentance. But again, with your reasoning, he doesn't have to be so long suffering because no one will ultimately perish. Can't you see that makes no sense?

Of course it's Fathers will that all will come to repentance. He wants that of course. But not all will. We see that in Revelation. And we see that anyone not written in the book of life is thrown into the Lake of Fire. Do I personally believe someone will burn for an eternity? No, I do believe Christ's words that it is in fact the second death. And that hell and death are both thrown into the Lake of Fire and Christ himself states he makes "all things new". The former things will pass away.

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Also, Christ in his letters to the churches is pleading for people to repent and not suffer the second death or be be blotted out of the book of life and yet again, by your reasoning, his letters to the churches do no matter.


Again, Christ did not fail. The salvation is there for the taking. But it is not the Lake of Fire that saves, refines, it is our Father through his Son.

As for the OP, I believe Christ went to the souls in prison and taught there so they would have that chance. Not everyone believes that but that's mine. But the second death itself will not come into play until Judgement Day.


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I am a confident believer in Christian Universal Redemption, I see God as Jesus taught as a loving Father. As a father myself I violated my kids free will from time to time. As an example, when my oldest sone was about 5 or so we were in downtown Denver walking on the sidewalk. My son tried to run into the street and my wife grabbed him by the hair and forcefully pulled him out of traffic or he could have been killed. And Jesus said we who are evil know how to give gifts to our children being sinful, how much more is God as a Father to us , he is better than any earthly father, why would God let us destroy ourselves forever if a earthly father would never do that? It makes God not a loving as humans who he created, I think this is wrong thinking. 2Tim 211-13 “If we endure, we shall also reign with him; if we shall deny him, he will also deny us; If we are unfaithful, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny himself “ so even when people are unfaithful as all those who have not bent the knee and gladly confess Jesus is Lord, he is still faithful. That is why I believe that John 12:47 “ Jesus came to save the cosmos not judge it” and John 4:42 “ Jesus is the Christ, the savior of the cosmos “ these are declarations of what God has done and is still doing and will continue to do till all people are found because all people are his. 2Cor 5:19 “ in Christ God was reconciling the cosmos to himself, not counting people’s trespasses against them, and he has given us the message of reconciliation “ that is why we plead to the world be reconciled to God . 1Tim 2:3-6 it’s Gods will none should parish but all come to the knowledge of the truth. We know what Gods will is he plainly told us. God doesn’t do abandonment that’s a human thing . It really comes down to what your view of God is . Is God no different than the old gods of Rome , he gets jealous, does things he wishes he hadn’t, gets angry, tortures those who are in apposition to him . No God is a loving Father, just as Jesus taught us to call him abba Father. 1Tim 4:9-11 “ because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men , especially of those who believe. Again a declaration not Jesus the potential savior if you do your part, then Gods hands are not tied because we all know Adams sin was more powerful that Jesus and our will is more powerful than Jesus. That’s not true. Do those who do not follow Jesus in this go to the Lake of Fire yes but their spirit still lives they lose their soul but not the spirit and our spirit is who we are , we are not our body and our soul is what we have made of ourselves in this world, those who live for self will lose both body and soul . We who follow Jesus in the mortal body only lose this mortal body but we get a better one anyway. As for God not using the metaphor of fire to refine people read Zech 13:9 “I will put them into fire, I will refine them like silver and test them like gold they will call on my name, and I will answer them . I will say they are my people and they will say the Lord is our God” or Jerem 9:7 “ Therefore the Lord who rules over all says, I will now purify them in the fires of my affection and test them. The wickedness of my dear people has left me no choice, what else can I do.” Or Isa 48:10 “refined, purified in the furnace of misery “ do you get a theme here God refined his creation to remove all that is not of him, that’s Gods heart not to create someone just to torture them forever. ( God know who will follow him in this age before he created them , would it have been more loving to have not created them in the first place?) I could go on with more but writing on my phone is very slow . I will end with Jer32:27 “ I am Yahweh , God of all flesh, is anything too difficult for me” I don’t think so . So yes Jesus gets 100% of what he paid for , for where sin abounds grace abounds even more . ( not a little bit)

JulieB67 said:

I will believe Christ's teachings about the Lake of Fire. If he calls it the Second "death" I will believe that. We can't add anything to that such as a belief that it's a refinery.

But you are leaving out certain verses, therefore losing the context. We have to take the bible as a whole. We can't just pull out certain verses. If that was the case, anyone could teach and believe anything.

Go up one verse-

Zechariah 13:8 "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein."

And you're only posting part of a verse? How can we do that?

Zechariah 13:9 "And I will bring a third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God."

Of course it's a metaphor, that's the complete point. He's not talking about the Lake of Fire which is the second death. He's talking about refining people in their life times. And we see he's talking about a 3rd, not even the majority. So again, your reasoning does not make sense.



The Lake of Fire will not come into play until the second death. Again, he is talking about refining people in their lifetimes, it's a metaphor for testing. Taking it to the Hebrew can state that as well.

Isaiah 48:10 "Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction."

Furnace of affliction is a figure of speech. It is not the Lake of Fire.


I certainly believe in a loving God. I don't believe in ECT. But I believe God is wanting to find people who actually do love and believe in Him/TheSon. That's who he want to spend the eternity with. I believe if one does not repent and even at the end many will still follow Satan, they will follow him right into the Lake of Fire. Again, by having such beliefs you take away the power of the second death which indeed Christ states that it has power and you are taking away the book of life. All which are plainly laid out in the Word.

We find repentance and redemption through Christ, not the Lake of Fire which was prepared for Satan and his.


I've never stated I believe in that. I don't.

Why not just stop things now if all he has to do is throw someone into the Lake of Fire. Why is he so long suffering? You never touched on that. Ultimately the point is to get to the eternity. And it's about getting through this world age, souls in tact to do so. But according to you, none of that matters. Christ tells those towards the end, in your patience, possess your souls. It's that important.


But again, why verses like this?

II Timothy 2:10 "Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sake, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory."

Why endure so much if it ultimately doesn't matter in the long run if everyone is 100 percent saved? The disciples and apostles after Christ endured much to spread the gospel of Christ. But none of that matters according to you because ultimately it's the Lake of Fire that saves.
And you see it states "may' obtain the salvation. Christ 100 percent did his part. He did not fail. But again, people do.




And again, you are skipping verses that leave out context. Christ is talking about his first advent where he came to to make that sacrifice so that the world could be saved through him. He came to do that, not judge. But you are leaving out verse 48 which is very important about who will do the judging-

John 12:47 "And if any man hear My words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."

John 12:48 "He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."

I am a scripture person and have to take the bible as a whole. I also believe in God's love. It is why he sent the Son and is so long suffering because he doesn't want anyone to perish. But you and (no offense, honestly) others seem to make light of Christ's sacrifice and God's suffering, the disciples/apostles and others endurance through their lifetimes if ultimately it doesn't matter because the Lake of Fire will do the trick in saving. I don't see that in the Word at all.

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How is it making light of Christ’s sacrifice if we believe that that sacrifice was 100% effective? I believe that it is those who believe that Jesus couldn’t get the job done so his sacrifice was only partially effective either by limited atonement or by ECT , these are those who are making light of Jesus and his sacrifice. I don’t believe that God created humans and gives them a short time in a mortal body to get things straight. No we live forever and God has all the time he needs to get all his cosmos to the place he wants them , not just in this age but in the ages to come. It’s just like when scripture says that Christ was crucified before the foundation of the earth but he was not physically crucified till about 4000 years after Adam. Man looks at the snapshot of now and thinks this is it , God is outside of time he sees us completely our whole existence and he is long suffering no wanting anyone to perish. Look at 2Tim 2 :20-21 Now, in a great household there are vessels not only of gold and silver, but wooden and earthen as well, and some for worthy occasions and others for common. So if someone purifies himself of these latter, he will be a vessel for worthy employment, having been made holy, well useful to his master, having been prepared for every good work. God doesn’t say some for good work the rest gets are burned up and gone. What you call out of context I see as pointing out Gods character and essence he is showing us how he works he does refine us with fire, I believe the fire is Gods love and that burns away anything that is not of God. So it shows us his character and his plan for his creation. Have you ever asked yourself why would a God who sees the beginning from the end , one who says he loves his creation and wants all to be saved , would not be able to pull that off? Is not loving enough or powerful enough? Jer 32:27 I am Yahweh , God of all flesh, is anything too difficult for me? This is the tradition that I follow it is old a lot of the early church fathers taught this ( for the first 300 or so years) . If you don’t read scripture through the lense of what Jesus did then it means nothing or anything. 1Cor 15 21-28 … as in Adam all died as in Jesus all will live.

Soyeong said:

Jesus is God's word's made flesh, so he was speaking in accordance with it, not in contrast with it. God's law is God's way (Psalms 119:1-3), the truth (Psalms 119:142), and the life (Deuteronomy 32:46-47), and the way to see and know the Father (Exodus 33:13), and Jesus embodied the way, the truth, and the life, and the way to see and know the Father through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law (John 14:6-11), which was the same before and after Jesus. In Hebrews 11, it lists examples of people who had saving faith who had never read the NT, so that is not a requirement for salvation.

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Are you saying that bending the knee and confessing with our tongue that Jesus is Lord is not necessary to get to the Father? There are other ways?

mikepoon said:

Thank you, Jeff, for highlighting John 3:17—it’s such a powerful verse that reminds us of God’s incredible love and His purpose in sending Jesus! I completely agree that Jesus did not come to condemn the world but to save it, and His mission was—and is—perfectly accomplished. What a beautiful truth to rest in!

It’s amazing how John 3:16 and 3:17 work together to show us both the depth of God’s love and the hope we have in Christ. Jesus came to rescue us from sin, and through Him, we have the opportunity to be reconciled to the Father. And as you said, God’s plan will not be thwarted or robbed—Jesus paid it all, and salvation is fully available to those who believe in Him.

I’d love to hear your thoughts on how we can share this hope with others who may not yet know Christ. How can we reflect God’s love and truth in a way that draws people closer to Him?

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Why do you put “we have the opportunity to be reconciled “ ? I don’t see opportunity in the passage anywhere.John 4:42 “Jesus is the Christ, the savior of the world “ it doesn’t say potential savior. John 12:47 Jesus came to save the cosmos not judge it” again it doesn’t say potentially save the cosmos, it’s a declaration of what Jesus did. 1John 2:2 “Jesus the propitiation for our sins, and not for our only but also for the whole world “ again no place does it say potential propitiation, it’s a declaration. 1Tim 4:9-11 tells us why these verses are a declaration not just a potential possibility, “ because we trust in the living God , who is the savior of all men, especially of those who believe “ this is why I can say that Jesus will get 100% of whatever he paid for.

Der Alte said:

That is partially correct. But let us read vs. 17 "in context" vice "in isolation."

John 3;17 “For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world MIGHT BE be saved through him.​

NOT "will be saved." Now let us read the verse "in context."

John 3:17-20​

(17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.​

(18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: BUT he that believeth NOT is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.​

(19) And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.​

(20) For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.​

Let us not forget what Jesus said in Matthew 7:23.

Matthew 7:21-23​

(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.​

(22) Many [NOT a few] will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?​

(23) And then will I [Jesus] profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

When Jesus says "never" He not mean someday by and by.

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If one doesn’t have an understanding of how God is working through ages then the truth is not seen. I agree with all those scriptures I have no problem believing them as plainly read, the difference is I have and still am learning about how to rightly divide the word of truth, all these scriptures that have been cut and pasted tell of what is going to happen in this age or at the end of this age. Will there be people who Jesus will have to say I never knew you ? Yes do they stand condemned? Yes , will they be part of Gods ruling kingdom? No they will be the subjects of that kingdom. But in the next age God will refine them they will go through Gods fire, as we all will, but they will bend the knee and gladly confess Jesus is Lord like we are told in scripture. Why can I say this because of verses like this 1Tim 4:9-11 “ because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men, especially of those who believe “ if you don’t believe as written look at the context and show me that I am wrong to believe this verse as plainly written.

Soyeong said:

Jesus is God's word's made flesh, so he was speaking in accordance with it, not in contrast with it. God's law is God's way (Psalms 119:1-3), the truth (Psalms 119:142), and the life (Deuteronomy 32:46-47), and the way to see and know the Father (Exodus 33:13), and Jesus embodied the way, the truth, and the life, and the way to see and know the Father through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law (John 14:6-11), which was the same before and after Jesus. In Hebrews 11, it lists examples of people who had saving faith who had never read the NT, so that is not a requirement for salvation.

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If Gods law was the same before and after Jesus, why did Jesus say “ Moses said this… but I say this…” it seems like Jesus changed or fulfilled the law and now things are different.