Regarding premarital sex

The world we live in promotes recreational fornication as not only acceptable but to be encouraged. From a Christian perspective it is advantageous to wait until marriage. There are reasons for this.

1. Making marriage to build a family that lasts a lifetime the objective tends to discourage short sighted partners who may lose interest after a while.
2. Virginity allows two people to spend their first year of marriage exploring (often with humor, patience, and kindness) such that a special bond of intimacy can be built that helps two people come to rely on each other to weather life's storms.
3. Setting a high standard for marriage keeps it from being treated casually or dismissively.
4. Building something strong and lasting will benefit any children with a stronghold in which to grow.

The initial phase of a relationship can ignite passions that are difficult to restrain. The bible says that it is better to marry than to burn.

People can come from any background and circumstance to be married. However, for a Christian to marry a non-Christian is creating a big handicap. It is not insurmountable. Paul writes in his first letter to the Corinthians about many subjects. One was about Christians who were married to those who did not believe. However, to start a marriage without agreement on what is true or how to live can risk great pain down the road.

Not everyone enters marriage with all the advantages. In these situations one may face greater difficulties. The key to the Christian life is the transition from the selfishness of the flesh to the selfless love of the Spirit. You will have to make the best decision you can evaluating the risks of differences. You may have your evaluative ability hindered by inflamed passions which is another reason for abstinence before marriage.

Yusuphhai said:

Regarding premarital sex

I am 51 years old and have a non Christian girlfriend. Our physical intimacy has been increasing recently. A few days ago, we had contact with sensitive areas, but it wasn't deep enough. Actually, this can also be considered as sexual activity. She will come to my house tomorrow. I'm afraid sexual activity will escalate.

I really wish she was still a virgin and I was still a virgin at the wedding. She should earn dignity. But now it seems unlikely. I ended her virginity. She dare not explain her relationship with me to her mother. I have bipolar disorder, weak physical condition, and low social status. She works at a government run rehabilitation station for people with mental and intellectual disabilities(handicapped), where I am a student and she is a teacher. She still has genuine concern for vulnerable groups. She is a Master of Comparative Literature from the UK and has some Persian heritage, so I gave her the biblical name Esther (Queen of Persia). We are both ethnic minorities of the Hui ethnic group in China, living in Beijing.She has an adopted boy who thinks his father has been abroad for a long time and doesn't know he's not Esther's biological child. She also dared not explain her relationship with me to the child. I am willing to accept her and her child. I hope that in the future, my health will not be too poor and I can take on the responsibilities of a husband and father. She is also willing to show filial piety to my parents. My parents are very accepting of her.

What should I do? I am on the path towards unmarried cohabitation. She said she might follow me to believe in the Lord. But we are not sure what the future holds.

Thank you for your advice.

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I am a firm believer that the success of a couples marriage is largely based of them both being on the "same page" religiously.

From a biblical point of view.

Better to marry than to "burn with passion" ... also states if a man even looks at a woman with sexual intent then adultery has occurred in the heart.

Other considerations ....

Has she been married before? if so, divorced or widowed?

Unmarried cohabitation is not biblically acceptable ... the Lord places very high value on marriage.

where I am a student and she is a teacher.

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This could present a problem her with her employer ... but I don't know ... if they know about the relationship now then they likely don't have a problem with it. If they don't know .... then getting married and you being a student might be a issue ... like I said don't know.

I don't know what you do for a living but there could be tax issues ... either positive or negative.

Bottom line biblically ... the Lord wants a dedicated marriage and for both to have a relationship with Him.

May the Lord provide you with guidance in this matter. Amen.

Yusuphhai said:

Regarding premarital sex

I am 51 years old and have a non Christian girlfriend. Our physical intimacy has been increasing recently. A few days ago, we had contact with sensitive areas, but it wasn't deep enough. Actually, this can also be considered as sexual activity. She will come to my house tomorrow. I'm afraid sexual activity will escalate.

I really wish she was still a virgin and I was still a virgin at the wedding. She should earn dignity. But now it seems unlikely. I ended her virginity. She dare not explain her relationship with me to her mother. I have bipolar disorder, weak physical condition, and low social status. She works at a government run rehabilitation station for people with mental and intellectual disabilities(handicapped), where I am a student and she is a teacher. She still has genuine concern for vulnerable groups. She is a Master of Comparative Literature from the UK and has some Persian heritage, so I gave her the biblical name Esther (Queen of Persia). We are both ethnic minorities of the Hui ethnic group in China, living in Beijing.She has an adopted boy who thinks his father has been abroad for a long time and doesn't know he's not Esther's biological child. She also dared not explain her relationship with me to the child. I am willing to accept her and her child. I hope that in the future, my health will not be too poor and I can take on the responsibilities of a husband and father. She is also willing to show filial piety to my parents. My parents are very accepting of her.

What should I do? I am on the path towards unmarried cohabitation. She said she might follow me to believe in the Lord. But we are not sure what the future holds.

Thank you for your advice.

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Also praying for you both.

Since you are requesting advice, may I ask a few questions, observations, and offer some suggestions?

To the most important matter first...

"She has no religion but would like to take part in the activities of Christianity、Judaism and Islam with me."

You do realize that Judaism and Islam are wholly incompatible and even hostile to Christianity?

May I ask you if you have ever received Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior? Have you been sealed and indwelt by His Holy Spirit? A sure essential sign is that you would be led by the Spirit to declare Jesus, and Jesus alone - as Lord (meaning God Himself).

Judaism and Islam both reject Jesus as such. Islam gives lip service to Jesus, but deny both His death by crucifixion and resurrection - just for starters.

"She said she might follow me to believe in the Lord."

Considering the above, which Lord? The One Who says, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me"?

If so, would you consider it likely that she would follow you to Him if you disrespect His commands regarding fornication, and disrespect the dignity she already has as a fellow creation of God?

To wit...

"I really wish she was still a virgin and I was still a virgin at the wedding. She should earn dignity. But now it seems unlikely. I ended her virginity."

She already has dignity and worth as mentioned. What she needs most from you is for you to recognize as much. She needs for you to place God's desire to be reconciled to her through His Son above your own lust.

You already sinned? Ok. Why compound it by repeating it? God forgives - if we ask Him. If any of us were permanently despoiled by sin, how could we even live with ourselves? It's what Christ's redemptive atonement is all about - grace.

Considering as much, would she again be worth the wait in your eyes?

She already is - in HIS eyes.

"She will come to my house tomorrow. I'm afraid sexual activity will escalate."

This kinda sounds like you consider it inevitable, that it's beyond your control. That is what the world teaches. If you are a genuine believer, then stand up and be a man of God and put your foot down. Set up physical boundries so that you two won't be teetering on the edge of temptation. And pray, pray, pray.

She will respect YOU for doing so eventually, and you will be laying the foundation for a lifetime of honoring each other's complete person if you are indeed so blessed to be married.

Impossible? Not if you take God seriously at His Word:

"I can do all things through Christ Who strengthens me."

A little secret? If you make this choice now, and she follows your lead - you will both consider each other as virgins in your hearts when you finally join in holy matrimony. Because your main mutual attraction will be an expression of HIS love.

I speak from experience! God bless you both.

Simply put, unless their is a strong mutual bond, a best friend before sex, one will find that after sex a false bond is formed, one that will deteriorate over time until the scales are totally fallen away, and one may then with that clarified reality, see that best friend, or one may more than likely not. A best friend level of friendship is the only thing that really matters. It is a shame when people take the false route only to find there was no true foundation. Establish whether a true friendship exists first, not one we imagine is real or is based on personal pleasures and hormones which change.

Yusuphhai said:

Thank you very much for your response and advice.

Let me briefly introduce my religious background first. The identity tag I use at Christian Forums is' Messianic '. This belief statement of the 'Messianic Judaism' sub forum can roughly represent the elements of my faith. At the same time, I can also be Non denominational because my diplomacy is quite extensive. I am a member of an American Messianic Congregation. But I can take part in Communion in local Chinese and Korean (Protestant)church in Beijing.I possess four cultural traits simultaneously: East Asia, West, Middle East, and Israel. I am a mixture of Chinese Han ethnicity and Middle Eastern ancestry. My family has some Islamic background, but I grew up completely under my father's atheist education. I am willing to join the twelve tribes of Israel in terms of national identity. According to Messianic Judaism (MJ), MJ is associated with the ten lost tribes of northern Israel (represented by Ephraim, Ezekiel 37). I don't want to emphasize ethnicity because this theological interpretation is not absolutely correct either. I will be like the Samaritans in the buffer zone between Jews and Gentiles.

There are also many obstacles to Messianic intermarriage with ordinary Christians. The knowledge of Jewish studies in China is only one percent of that in the United States. I have been to the Beijing Jewish synagogue many times and have had the opportunity to have romantic relationship with Jewish . But I dare not reveal Messianic's identity, I could only say that I learn Noahide (son of Noah) theory which is acceptable by Judaism. A Chinese Jewish lady once talked to me about the Christian church. I suspected she may be a hidden Messianic Jew, but I was not sure and had not revealed my identity. Later, the Chinese government requested an international passport, but I didn't have one, so I haven't been to the synagogue for over a year. I also lost contact with the Chinese Jewish lady. Now that I have a lover, I am unlikely to seek to continue my previous romantic relationship.

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OK. But may I repeat the essential question?

May I ask you if you have ever received Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior? Have you been sealed and indwelt by His Holy Spirit? A sure essential sign is that you would be led by the Spirit to declare Jesus, and Jesus alone - as Lord (meaning God Himself).

I would add an additional question, if I may. Do you recognize the Holy Bible as the only authoritative, inerrant Word of God? And that all other proposed truths are only verified against the supreme weight of Scripture?

Your answer would enlighten as to whether other advice (from any professed Christian here with Scriptural support) is moot in your case, or whether it would appeal to you as sound.

God bless!

I will offer very limited considerations, especially since the information is also limited.

Sexual activity before becoming very trustworthy friends will cause destruction and heartbreak.

A physical relationship before marriage will put a heart strain on your relationship with Jesus.

These are very hard decisions and physical sensations and urges can be hard to beat, but are equivalent to chasing rainbows.

Once will never be enough and satisfaction will never be gained through cheap levels of physical lust interactions.

We are seeking to be certain and assured of in our relationship. To have someone we can trust who truly loves us.

To have such a thing we must show ourselves trustworthy or the trust will break and everything around it.

Things worth having are expensive and cost a lot.

If we are not willing to pay the price to have a genuine relationship built on love rather than physical interaction, then we will make for ourselves a cheap relationship built on physical interaction and our heart will suffer on the alter of physical desires and urges.

All of this is second to our devotion to God, which should be the ultimate reason to avoid sexuality outside of marriage.

God's heart is affected by us being our Father, and a good Father.

Jesus dying on the cross was to win our heart and devotion by showing us a kind of love that only God can give us.

I have zero judgment and a strong heart cry on your behalf, and will be praying for you earnestly.

You want to make sure you have a clear understanding of Christianity since it is often present in many different and confusing ways. At the core Christianity can be explained in a couple of minutes;

If you want to hear answers full of error, several people have already provided you with some.

If you have ears to hear what God says;

Matthew 5:28-29 NKJV
But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. [29] If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NKJV
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, [10] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelation 21:8 NKJV
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Revelation 2:11 KJV
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Matthew 7:13-14 ASV
Enter ye in by the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many are they that enter in thereby. [14] For narrow is the gate, and straitened the way, that leadeth unto life, and few are they that find it.

Johan2222 said:

If you want to hear answers full of error, several people have already provided you with some.

If you have ears to hear what God says;

Matthew 5:28-29 NKJV
But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. [29] If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NKJV
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, [10] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Revelation 21:8 NKJV
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Revelation 2:11 KJV
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Matthew 7:13-14 ASV
Enter ye in by the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many are they that enter in thereby. [14] For narrow is the gate, and straitened the way, that leadeth unto life, and few are they that find it.

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If you had not pointed at other people in judgment in addition to the scriptures, I’d not suggest further reading, for the scriptures are very good.

But since you have, just some additional noteworthy scriptures for everyone's consideration:



John 8:2-11

2Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. 3Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, 4they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. 5Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” 6This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.

7So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” 8And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?”

11She said, “No one, Lord.”

And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”


Luke 7:36-50

36Then one of the Pharisees asked Him to eat with him. And He went to the Pharisee’s house, and sat down to eat. 37And behold, a woman in the city who was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at the table in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster flask of fragrant oil, 38and stood at His feet behind Him weeping; and she began to wash His feet with her tears, and wiped them with the hair of her head; and she kissed His feet and anointed them with the fragrant oil. 39Now when the Pharisee who had invited Him saw this, he spoke to himself, saying, “This Man, if He were a prophet, would know who and what manner of woman this is who is touching Him, for she is a sinner.”

40And Jesus answered and said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.”

So he said, “Teacher, say it.”

41“There was a certain creditor who had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. 42And when they had nothing with which to repay, he freely forgave them both. Tell Me, therefore, which of them will love him more?”

43Simon answered and said, “I suppose the one whom he forgave more.”

And He said to him, “You have rightly judged.” 44Then He turned to the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave Me no water for My feet, but she has washed My feet with her tears and wiped them with the hair of her head. 45You gave Me no kiss, but this woman has not ceased to kiss My feet since the time I came in. 46You did not anoint My head with oil, but this woman has anointed My feet with fragrant oil. 47Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”

48Then He said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”

49And those who sat at the table with Him began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

50Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”

Matthew 7:1-5

1“Judge not, that you be not judged. 2For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Luke 18:9-14

9Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ 13And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

Galatians 6:1-5

1Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. 2Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. 5For each one shall bear his own load.

John 13:35

By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

Zceptre said:

If you had not pointed at other people in judgment in addition to the scriptures, I’d not suggest further reading, for the scriptures are very good.

But since you have, just some additional noteworthy scriptures for everyone's consideration:



John 8:2-11

2Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. 3Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, 4they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. 5Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” 6This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.

7So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” 8And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?”

11She said, “No one, Lord.”

And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”


Luke 7:36-50

36Then one of the Pharisees asked Him to eat with him. And He went to the Pharisee’s house, and sat down to eat. 37And behold, a woman in the city who was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at the table in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster flask of fragrant oil, 38and stood at His feet behind Him weeping; and she began to wash His feet with her tears, and wiped them with the hair of her head; and she kissed His feet and anointed them with the fragrant oil. 39Now when the Pharisee who had invited Him saw this, he spoke to himself, saying, “This Man, if He were a prophet, would know who and what manner of woman this is who is touching Him, for she is a sinner.”

40And Jesus answered and said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.”

So he said, “Teacher, say it.”

41“There was a certain creditor who had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. 42And when they had nothing with which to repay, he freely forgave them both. Tell Me, therefore, which of them will love him more?”

43Simon answered and said, “I suppose the one whom he forgave more.”

And He said to him, “You have rightly judged.” 44Then He turned to the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave Me no water for My feet, but she has washed My feet with her tears and wiped them with the hair of her head. 45You gave Me no kiss, but this woman has not ceased to kiss My feet since the time I came in. 46You did not anoint My head with oil, but this woman has anointed My feet with fragrant oil. 47Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”

48Then He said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”

49And those who sat at the table with Him began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

50Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”

Matthew 7:1-5

1“Judge not, that you be not judged. 2For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Luke 18:9-14

9Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.’ 13And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be [d]humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

Galatians 6:1-5

1Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. 2Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. 5For each one shall bear his own load.

John 13:35

By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

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Seeing you have decided that you are the judge of my conscience, there are a few scriptures that you may want to consider.

Jude 1:22-23 KJV
And of some have compassion, making a difference: [23] And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

When you encounter someone (who makes himself of the number) who is already being sexually immoral and confesses they are probably just about to go further, I think there are far more relevant scriptures to consider than the ones you have listed, especially considering you know that their life is at stake.

Luke 17:3-4 ASV
Take heed to yourselves: if thy brother sin, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Nevertheless, I won’t make myself the judge of your conscience and if you think that you are absolved of telling a brother his sin to his face I won’t argue with you but I would tell you something that I think you really ought to consider.

Romans 2:1 NKJV
Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.

Try to understand that telling somebody the truth about their sins is not the same as judging them for those sins.

Jesus didn’t judge the woman caught in adultery for her sins, but he did tell her her sins and warn her to cease from them.

Paul didn’t judge Peter for being a hypocrite about the way he was treating the Jews and the Gentiles, but he did tell him about that sin and caution him to cease from it.

1 Timothy 5:20 KJV
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Johan2222 said:

Seeing you have decided that you are the judge of my conscience, there are a few scriptures that you may want to consider.

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Johan2222 said:

If you want to hear answers full of error, several people have already provided you with some.

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This is not my judgment. It is your words stating others are in error. I have judged no one.

Johan2222 said:

Seeing you have decided that you are the judge of my conscience, there are a few scriptures that you may want to consider.

Jude 1:22-23 KJV
And of some have compassion, making a difference: [23] And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

When you encounter someone (who makes himself of the number) who is already being sexually immoral and confesses they are probably just about to go further, I think there are far more relevant scriptures to consider than the ones you have listed, especially considering you know that their life is at stake.

Luke 17:3-4 ASV
Take heed to yourselves: if thy brother sin, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Nevertheless, I won’t make myself the judge of your conscience and if you think that you are absolved of telling a brother his sin to his face I won’t argue with you but I would tell you something that I think you really ought to consider.

Romans 2:1 NKJV
Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.

Try to understand that telling somebody the truth about their sins is not the same as judging them for those sins.

Jesus didn’t judge the woman caught in adultery for her sins, but he did tell her her sins and warn her to cease from them.

Paul didn’t judge Peter for being a hypocrite about the way he was treating the Jews and the Gentiles, but he did tell him about that sin and caution him to cease from it.

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Zceptre said:

This is not my judgment. It is your words stating others are in error. I have judged no one.

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You are correct in saying that I manifested the error of some and oh how I thank God that he has called me and empowered me to do so

Ephesians 5: KJV
[13] But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

You have judged me as having judged them for their errors but you have done so in ignorance, knowing nothing of my heart.

Johan2222 said:

You are correct in saying that I manifested the error of some and oh how I thank God that he has called me and empowered me to do so

Ephesians 5: KJV
[13] But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

You have judged me as having judged them for their errors but you have done so in ignorance, knowing nothing of my heart.

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You keep throwing things at me for quoting your statement about everyone else who posted.

Anything else?

Yusuphhai said:

She said she might follow me to believe in the Lord.

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It is good to encourage her to be honest about what she chooses . . . not to pretend for you.

Yusuphhai said:

But we are not sure what the future holds.

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To be sure, this is one thing we can be sure of > we do not know what is going to happen! lolololol

Zceptre said:

You keep throwing things at me for quoting your statement about everyone else who posted.

Anything else?

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Well if you want me to be honest, in the interests of full disclosure there are a few other things.

When a believer who confessed to walking in sexual immorality saying;

“A few days ago, we had contact with sensitive areas, but it wasn't deep enough.”

You responded by saying;

“I have zero judgment and a strong heart cry on your behalf, and will be praying for you earnestly.”

But that was not true because your proud and rebellious words were full of judgement because the word of God says;

1 John 5:16 NKJV
If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.

Sexual immorality is sin that leads to death. Revelation 21.8.

You judged the word of God as errant and claimed openly that you would not follow it, and even boasted that your rebellion revealed “zero judgement” but can you not see that you judged the word of God as wrong?

If the word of God instructs us to do one thing and we do another and even boast about our intended rebellion, is that not judging the word of God?

Do you think I was surprised that you judged me for manifesting error according to the scripture;

Ephesians 5: KJV
[13] But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

The things “I keep throwing at you” are scriptures revealing your rebellion and disobedience to the word of God, and your judgement against me for my obedience, and if you were able to discern the truth, and the error in your rebellion, you would realise that that is what offends you.

You would also realise what possesses you to claim that you are going to disobey the word of God and boast that your actions reveal “zero judgement.”

Yusuphhai said:

I have bipolar disorder,

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Jesus says >

"'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:28-29)

God wants every person to come to Jesus and trust Him >

Jesus died for us so we may be forgiven by God and reconciled with God. Each person needs to trust Jesus to forgive us and reconcile us with God. And trust Jesus to change us so we have rest for our souls. And we do what Jesus has us doing in His "rest for your souls".

We depend on God our Father to correct us and change us so we are obedient to God in His own peace. All of us are called by God to obey God in His own peace >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

This is part of our basic calling of how to live as children of God; God is committed to doing this with each of us who have trusted Jesus to bring us to God.

And God is almighty > therefore God's peace is almighty so that this peace can easily take care of our minds and our hearts. So, we trust God to do this with us.