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Who thinks Donald Trump is a Christian and why ?

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Trump’s new executive order establishing a White House ‘Faith Office’ signals his religious advisors’ increasing sway (2/10/25) ...​


Pastor Paula White-Cain (Faith Office) believes Trump has a "hunger for God

 
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Trump’s new executive order establishing a White House ‘Faith Office’ signals his religious advisors’ increasing sway (2/10/25) ...​


Pastor Paula White-Cain (Faith Office) believes Trump has a "hunger for God
Just for clarification, is the association with a charlatan like Paula White an argument in support of or opposition to Trump's supposed Christianity? I'm not sure which way that one goes.
 
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Just for clarification, is the association with a charlatan like Paula White an argument in support of or opposition to Trump's supposed Christianity? I'm not sure which way that one goes.
Rev Paula White and Trump have had Bible Studies and counsel for about 20 years. One reason Trump may prefer her counsel is because she is considered among those Pastors that hold to the "Prosperity Gospel".

Trump's idea for overseeing the Gaza into an upscale development is right up his alley. Trump most likely believes whatever he does has the backing of God since God saved his life from a sniper's bullet. Yet only God knows if Trump is really a born again new creation in Christ.
 
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Rev Paula White and Trump have had Bible Studies and counsel for about 20 years. One reason Trump may prefer her counsel is because she is considered among those Pastors that hold to the "Prosperity Gospel".

Trump's idea for overseeing the Gaza into an upscale development is right up his alley. Trump most likely believes whatever he does has the backing of God since God saved his life from a sniper's bullet. Yet only God knows if Trump is really a born again new creation in Christ.

This would seem to be logical given that Trump was mentored by Rev. Norman Peal in his formative years. Peal wrote 'The power of positive thinking' which many at the time saw it as a departure from the Gospel.

What results is 'positive confession' which replaces faith in Jesus.

Faith comes from hearing the Word of Christ - not from holding to a mental attitude.
 
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Is this even allowed? Judging someone’s Christianity. Trump seems to claim it. Can we judge it? He is the president. Not a pastor. He has to represent us all not just Christians. Not sure what the point is?
 
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When the bullet struck he raised a fist and celebrated his own strength rather than raising his hands to our Father in thanks.
I am a sharp shooter. But I think God allowed him to be nicked like that to serve a purpose. It also makes perfect sense that God would take him out and bring him back again because now he can start all over and he knows who he should and should not hire. Even before his own vice president turned out to be a back stabber.
 
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Is this even allowed? Judging someone’s Christianity. Trump seems to claim it.
The Bible does say to test all things >

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

So, I can say I agree or disagree with something a person says. And tell how I have tested it. Instead of only arguing about what *label* to put on Donald, we could test each thing he does > evaluate his actions in comparison with scripture and the example of Jesus and how God's word says to relate in love.

For one example, what I find interesting is his idea to establish Gaza-Palestine as a demilitarized zone . . . not with barbed wire and mines but with an international community prospering and spending their money for what they want.

But - - testing this by the Bible > that could be assisting people to live the way they jolly well please, though perhaps within civil and legal limits. But Jesus says >

"He who loves his life will lose it," in John 12:25.

So, establishing a paradise for selfish living might be helping people to live selfishly and feel that all is well for themselves.

But as a Catholic I was told it is a mortal sin to get another person to commit a sin. So, in case a person is arranging for people to love their selfish lives, but in a nonviolent way, would you consider that to be Catholic? How would the priest in confessional rule on that? If you please, tell your priest I say hi, and ask him what he has to say about this.
Can we judge it? He is the president. Not a pastor. He has to represent us all not just Christians. Not sure what the point is?
Indeed, in democracy in the United States an elected person is supposed to act on behalf of the voters. And we have kind of a fifty-fifty thing here. So, I see it should be that everyone somehow can get what is good.

Even so - - another item > God is known to have let wrong people have even much *worse* than the wrong they dictate they should have!!

For one example, the Jews in history demanded a human king, instead of Jesus as their King. God gave them one, and it went horribly for them. They got Saul who even tried to kill David who had killed Goliath.

So, right now > each of us can be getting what we have been dictating. Ones who do not want Jesus are getting their fill of how Satan rules a heart with fear, frustration, raging anger, dictatorial demands and drives for pleasure, and unforgiveness.

What is important is to evaluate what helps us to grow in how Jesus is and loves . . . to have the character which helps us with this. And we need to evaluate who and what helps us with this.

So-o-o >

Is Donald one of your Christian examples who you use to help your children to grow in Jesus and how He has loved? We are commanded to love like Jesus on the cross > and be "examples" of this >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

So, is Donald an example of how to be and love as a Christian? Or, is Donald promising and working to help certain people love and live their own lives? Or, is God using him to give people an opportunity to live the right way, whether he does or not?

According to Romans 13, Donald is God's minister "for good" . . . somehow, I would say, in any case.

However, 1 Timothy 2:1-4 to me means God wants us to pray "for" him. But don't we need to evaluate him somewhat so we have a clue what would be "for" Donald personally? Not what we want to use Him to get, but what God knows would be good for him as a person. Because Jesus does care about Donald.

Are we only trying to label him, or do we care about him?
 
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The Bible does say to test all things >

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

So, I can say I agree or disagree with something a person says. And tell how I have tested it. Instead of only arguing about what *label* to put on Donald, we could test each thing he does > evaluate his actions in comparison with scripture and the example of Jesus and how God's word says to relate in love

Actions...

OK - does this disturb you from a biblical viewpoint ?

 
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The Bible does say to test all things >

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

So, I can say I agree or disagree with something a person says. And tell how I have tested it. Instead of only arguing about what *label* to put on Donald, we could test each thing he does > evaluate his actions in comparison with scripture and the example of Jesus and how God's word says to relate in love.

For one example, what I find interesting is his idea to establish Gaza-Palestine as a demilitarized zone . . . not with barbed wire and mines but with an international community prospering and spending their money for what they want.

But - - testing this by the Bible > that could be assisting people to live the way they jolly well please, though perhaps within civil and legal limits. But Jesus says >

"He who loves his life will lose it," in John 12:25.

So, establishing a paradise for selfish living might be helping people to live selfishly and feel that all is well for themselves.

But as a Catholic I was told it is a mortal sin to get another person to commit a sin. So, in case a person is arranging for people to love their selfish lives, but in a nonviolent way, would you consider that to be Catholic? How would the priest in confessional rule on that? If you please, tell your priest I say hi, and ask him what he has to say about this.

Indeed, in democracy in the United States an elected person is supposed to act on behalf of the voters. And we have kind of a fifty-fifty thing here. So, I see it should be that everyone somehow can get what is good.

Even so - - another item > God is known to have let wrong people have even much *worse* than the wrong they dictate they should have!!

For one example, the Jews in history demanded a human king, instead of Jesus as their King. God gave them one, and it went horribly for them. They got Saul who even tried to kill David who had killed Goliath.

So, right now > each of us can be getting what we have been dictating. Ones who do not want Jesus are getting their fill of how Satan rules a heart with fear, frustration, raging anger, dictatorial demands and drives for pleasure, and unforgiveness.

What is important is to evaluate what helps us to grow in how Jesus is and loves . . . to have the character which helps us with this. And we need to evaluate who and what helps us with this.

So-o-o >

Is Donald one of your Christian examples who you use to help your children to grow in Jesus and how He has loved? We are commanded to love like Jesus on the cross > and be "examples" of this >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

So, is Donald an example of how to be and love as a Christian? Or, is Donald promising and working to help certain people love and live their own lives? Or, is God using him to give people an opportunity to live the right way, whether he does or not?

According to Romans 13, Donald is God's minister "for good" . . . somehow, I would say, in any case.

However, 1 Timothy 2:1-4 to me means God wants us to pray "for" him. But don't we need to evaluate him somewhat so we have a clue what would be "for" Donald personally? Not what we want to use Him to get, but what God knows would be good for him as a person. Because Jesus does care about Donald.

Are we only trying to label him, or do we care about him?
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The OP is a question.

Opinion invited from members.

Proclamation of Judgement over the salvation of an individual would be out of order.

Ultimately God knows.

But He has given guidelines for recognising true faith.

However if he supports the building of the third Jewish Temple in Jerusalem - we have a serious problem to consider.
 
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I don’t know if Trump is a Christian or not, but I like to compare him to Cyrus the Great. Cyrus was not the nicest man on the planet, and scholars don’t know if he believed in Zoroastrianism. However, he helped the Jews and many other religious groups, hoping they could live in peace and practice their faith. Trump seems to want the same things.
 
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I don’t know if Trump is a Christian or not, but I like to compare him to Cyrus the Great. Cyrus was not the nicest man on the planet, and scholars don’t know if he believed in Zoroastrianism. However, he helped the Jews and many other religious groups, hoping they could live in peace and practice their faith. Trump seems to want the same things.

Yes right on the button - the Temple Institute have already minted a temple coin in Trumps honour identifying him as a Cyrus.

Also of note is the Third Temple is looking to be inter-faith.

It gets weird when his son-in-law and advisor on matters Jewish has purchased 666 5th Avenue.

And many Christians are fully behind this initiative.

His daughters 'conversion' to Judaism would have involved a renunciation of the Christian faith.

Pray for Trump - all that Pence recently said to him was "I will pray for you" - a very apt statement.
 
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Yes right on the button - the Temple Institute have already minted a temple coin in Trumps honour identifying him as a Cyrus.

Also of note is the Third Temple is looking to be inter-faith.

It gets weird when his son-in-law and advisor on matters Jewish has purchased 666 5th Avenue.

And many Christians are fully behind this initiative.

His daughters 'conversion' to Judaism would have involved a renunciation of the Christian faith.

Pray for Trump - all that Pence recently said to him was "I will pray for you" - a very apt statement.


I can’t see how the Orthodox Jews would allow anyone but themselves to be involved in rebuilding the Temple, but I found this.
The following is from Update on the Building of the Third Temple | Jewish Voice:

““Given the emphasis upon the international community’s interest in the sites, under the concept of heritage of humankind, representatives from the international community need to be included as mediators and guarantors. These would likely come from the United Nations (UNESCO) and drawn from regional powers such as the Arab League, NATO, or interested states such as the U.S., the E.U., and Russia…Any proposed legal regime will require interfaith cooperation composed of religious leaders from the region. It may be supplemented by international religious leaders who may serve as mediators.”1 Those who seek to understand biblical prophecy know that the Antichrist will be followed by both political and religious leaders, making this kind of proposal a reality.”

Buying a property with 666 as an address doesn’t probably mean much, but I wouldn’t do it. Trump aiding in establishing the kingdom of the Antichrist is not out of the question, but I doubt it is intentional. The kingdom of the Antichrist goes back to Babylon through Greece and Rome up to the modern EU, with many governments in between, but I think it comes from a rejection of God more than actively supporting the Antichrist in particular. He, the Antichrist, can use whatever system of government is in place as long as it is in opposition to the will of God.
 
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