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Charismatics Are At War With Each Other Over Failed Prophecies Of Trump Victory

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Charismatics are at war with each other over failed prophecies of Trump victory

SEATTLE— A day of reckoning has come for modern-day “prophets” in the Pentecostal/charismatic movement who falsely foretold a victory for President Trump in 2020.

One charismatic leader calls it a “rebuke from the Lord.”

A major speaker in the movement calls it “the largest scale deception I’ve seen in 49 years of following Jesus.”

And yet another pastor is blasting parts of the movement as being “sick.”

Privately and on social media, these prophets and their thousands of followers are slugging it out in an orgy of self-blame, recriminations and fantastical hopes that somehow before Jan. 20, God will bring about a victory for Trump.

Others who’ve apologized for getting it wrong have gotten accusations, curses and even death threats.

Jeremiah Johnson, a Charlotte, N.C.-based evangelist who in 2015 prophesied Trump would gain the White House a year later, and in 2019 prophesied Trump would win a second term, says his life was threatened after apologizing and saying on Facebook Jan. 7 he wished to “repent” for mistaken prophecy:

“Over the last 72 hours, I have received multiple death threats and thousands upon thousands of emails from Christians saying the nastiest and most vulgar things I have ever heard toward my family and ministry. I have been labeled a coward, sellout, a traitor to the Holy Spirit, and cussed out at least 500 times. We have lost ministry partners every hour and counting.

In the post that got 1,900 comments, Johnson said:

“I fully expected to be called a false prophet etc., in some circles, but I could have never dreamed in my wildest imagination that so much satanic attack and witchcraft would come from charismatic/prophetic people,” he continued. “I have been flabbergasted at the barrage of continued conspiracy theories being sent every minute our way and the pure hatred being unleashed.

“To my great heartache, I’m convinced parts of the prophetic/charismatic movement are far SICKER than I could have ever dreamed of. I truthfully never realized how absolutely triggered and ballistic thousands and thousands of saints get about Donald Trump.”

Johnson is part of a modern-day movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) that believes that biblical-style apostles and prophets exist today and are meant to guide the church. Johnson has been a key figure in this movement and on Nov. 7, defiantly struck back at naysayers who voted for President-elect Joe Biden:

“While we wait until January to determine our next US President, observe the stunning blindness and hypocrisy in the body of Christ. Christians who voted for the shedding of innocent blood, the Equality Act, and anti-Israel legislation (ALL things God HATES) are now picking up stones to persecute prophets who supposedly missed it.”

Johnson’s recent mea culpa included no apology for that post.

At least 40 charismatic Christian leaders predicted Trump’s reelection starting around 2018, according to J. Gordon Melton, 78, the venerable compiler of the Encyclopedia of American Religions and an American religious studies professor at Baylor University.

“Only a handful [of prophets] got it right on the 2016 election,” said Melton, “so they all jumped into this election and with one exception,” a Black prophet from North Carolina whose name he did not recall, “they were wrong.”

This is the second major hit this movement has taken in less than a year, he added. The first was during a prophetic summit last year.

“Last November when [evangelist] Cindy Jacobs had her meeting in Dallas, none of the prophets at that meeting – and it was the elite who were there – none of them hinted that anything like the coronavirus was coming,” Melton said. “That has come back to haunt them.”

Some in the movement are still holding out for some kind of last-minute miracle from God that would magically reverse the election and install Trump as president on Jan. 20. The Dallas-based Kenneth Copeland Ministries is one. On Jan. 7, host Gene Bailey and several other prophets appearing on a ministry broadcast known as Flashpoint, floated conspiracy theories about the Jan. 6 attacks on the U.S. Capitol. All of them encouraged listeners to continue believing in prophecies of a Trumpian victory.

“Many are on the side of, ‘Let’s attack one another. Let’s get on social media and attack the prophets. And let’s draw the sword on one another,’” said the Rev. Hank Kunneman, pastor of Hosts Church in Omaha, Neb. “And I think that is the greatest mistake we can make as true patriots, true Christians, those of us that are in the body of Christ.”

God had personally assured him there would be a miraculous outcome, he added.

“I’m telling you that’s what we’re getting ready to see,” he said. “I don’t know how that’s going to play out. I just know this thing is not over.”

Read: The Charismatic Christians Prophesying Trump's Victory (And Not Backing Down)

Kat Kerr, a Jacksonville, Fla. prophetess known for her flaming pink hair, agreed.

“He (God) assured me in 2015 that Trump would sit in the White House for eight years,” she said. “And God assured me today when He walked into my room at noon -- well, almost noon, 11:55 am. -- He yelled as loud as He possibly could, ‘Justice will prevail.’”

Many NAR prophets foretell vague events that are hard to disprove, Melton said, but the specificity of these election prophecies are impossible to live down.

“Kat Kerr and others have really painted themselves in a corner,” he said. “This is a very serious problem for the prophecy group.”

James A. Beverley, a research professor at Tyndale University in Toronto, went further in calling the matter “the most significant crisis in the history of modern charismatic prophecy” that he has seen in 40 years of studying the movement.

“The fight over the Trump prophecies has brought a deep division in the charismatic and Pentecostal world and it has given that branch of the Christian church a serious credibility issue,” he said.

Beverley also believes that the QAnon movement’s wild speculations that Trump will engage the military to take back Washington have influenced some Pentecostal prophets.

Released last month, Beverley’s new book, The QAnon Deception, explores how some famous Christian pro-Trump figures like Mark Taylor (known as the “firefighter prophet”) and Dave Hayes (aka the “praying medic”) have direct links to QAnon.

A handful of other prophets are apologizing, including Kris Vallotton, the resident prophet at Bethel Church in Redding, Calif., a major fixture in the NAR movement. Others include Los Angeles pastor and spiritual coach Shawn Bolz (who also prophesied last Feb. 28 that COVID-19 would die down quickly).

“People are speaking words without accountability,” said Michael Brown, a leader in a 1990s movement known as the Brownsville Revival and author of the 2018 book “Playing with Holy Fire: A Wake-Up Call to the Pentecostal-Charismatic Church”. “No major prophetic voices said the COVID crisis was coming and then – when some of them prophesied that it would end in April and it didn’t – no one apologized. So we came into the elections with a bit of a black eye. The prophecies had already been off for a major event.”

What kept the skeptics away was that some in the movement had prophesied a Trump victory well before it happened in 2016 as well as the appointment of three new Supreme Court justices.

“I believe many leaders looked at Trump as some kind of political messiah who would fight our battles, give the church back its voice, and on and on,” Brown said. “It all blended together. And we sometimes prophesy what we desire.”

The end result was dozens of prophets saying Trump would win; a situation Brown said “was the largest-scale deception I’ve seen in 49 years of following Jesus.”

Brown was one of the few in the movement who sounded an early alarm that the prophets could be wrong when he published a cautionary Dec. 15 essay in thestream.org. His “Line of Fire” talk show now includes warnings against folks like Kerr and Kunemann, who he said “prophesy falsely” on a Jan. 11 broadcast. That has caused some backlash.

“I’ve been called the servant of Satan and spawn of Baal because I caved and am not standing with the prophets,” Brown said. “I’ve been called Deep State and that I’m a Mossad agent.”

Certainly, the bulk of Pentecostal-charismatics who follow the prophets are in for a shock when Biden gets inaugurated Jan. 20. Rather than admit their error, Brown says some prophets have already concocted a scenario where Trump will be inaugurated “in heaven” and that God will replace Biden with Trump sometime this spring.

“This could be apostasy,” he said, “people losing their bearings in God. It’s going to get hysterical… Many people are going to be hurt. Most of the prophetic people have gone terribly wrong.”

Erica Ramirez, a Texas-born academic who is the president of Pentecostals and Charismatics for Peace and Justice and director of research at Auburn Seminary in Manhattan, says she’s not seeing much handwringing over the matter.

“I am aware of those who are still hoping for a January 20th miracle,” she said, “but no one in the Texas church circles I am in is professing that, claiming that, or even bringing it up... so it seems fringe from where I am. My sense is that, for churchgoers, January 6 showed them what was not an option, in real time, and is probably producing for many of them a sense of acceptance about the Biden presidency. Even allies like Sammy Rodriguez are backtracking. Nothing can be done.”

One other apology has come from the Rev. Loren Sandford, pastor of New Song Church in Denver, who repudiated what he called “rubber prophecies” stretched to fit a lie.

“Many people have exhorted me not to apologize,” he said in a Jan. 7 YouTube video, “insisting that I was right, that Trump actually won and the election was stolen. Well, regardless of whether or not that is true, the fact remains that Joe Biden is now confirmed as the president-elect. I will not protest that I was right in order to make my words fit the situation and deny getting it wrong. No rubber prophecy.”

On Jan. 11, he released a second video on Facebook, expressing astonishment at the vitriol he’d received.

“Since Jan. 7, I personally have been called a betrayer, a false prophet, a traitor, faithless and some have said they found me disgusting,” he said. “I am way past broken-hearted at what Christians are saying and doing. No wonder the world doesn’t believe us.”

Julia Duin is a veteran journalist who has worked as an editor or reporter for five newspapers, has published six books and has master’s degrees in journalism and religion. She currently freelances out of Seattle for the Seattle Times, Washington Post and other outlets.
 

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This is why you don't listen to people who claim to be prophets or claim to be speaking "prophetically". They're just speaking out of their rear view blowhole.

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I have been a person who in the past have tried to hear from God, and it is all a really messy business. It is easy enough to hear a voice, that one may believe is God, but it is a much harder thing to actually hear from Him. I had many experiences in my early walk with God which I thought were God, but they were not. I am much slower nowadays to say "God says".

As for the false prophecies people need to leave the churches where they occurred, or oust the false prophets from ministry.

Deu 18:22 When a prophet makes a statement in the name of the Lord, if what he says does not take place and his words do not come true, then his word is not the word of the Lord: the words of the prophet were said in the pride of his heart, and you are to have no fear of him.
 
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Charismatics are at war with each other over failed prophecies of Trump victory

SEATTLE— A day of reckoning has come for modern-day “prophets” in the Pentecostal/charismatic movement who falsely foretold a victory for President Trump in 2020.

One charismatic leader calls it a “rebuke from the Lord.”

A major speaker in the movement calls it “the largest scale deception I’ve seen in 49 years of following Jesus.”

And yet another pastor is blasting parts of the movement as being “sick.”

Privately and on social media, these prophets and their thousands of followers are slugging it out in an orgy of self-blame, recriminations and fantastical hopes that somehow before Jan. 20, God will bring about a victory for Trump.

Others who’ve apologized for getting it wrong have gotten accusations, curses and even death threats.

Jeremiah Johnson, a Charlotte, N.C.-based evangelist who in 2015 prophesied Trump would gain the White House a year later, and in 2019 prophesied Trump would win a second term, says his life was threatened after apologizing and saying on Facebook Jan. 7 he wished to “repent” for mistaken prophecy:

“Over the last 72 hours, I have received multiple death threats and thousands upon thousands of emails from Christians saying the nastiest and most vulgar things I have ever heard toward my family and ministry. I have been labeled a coward, sellout, a traitor to the Holy Spirit, and cussed out at least 500 times. We have lost ministry partners every hour and counting.

In the post that got 1,900 comments, Johnson said:

“I fully expected to be called a false prophet etc., in some circles, but I could have never dreamed in my wildest imagination that so much satanic attack and witchcraft would come from charismatic/prophetic people,” he continued. “I have been flabbergasted at the barrage of continued conspiracy theories being sent every minute our way and the pure hatred being unleashed.

“To my great heartache, I’m convinced parts of the prophetic/charismatic movement are far SICKER than I could have ever dreamed of. I truthfully never realized how absolutely triggered and ballistic thousands and thousands of saints get about Donald Trump.”

Johnson is part of a modern-day movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) that believes that biblical-style apostles and prophets exist today and are meant to guide the church. Johnson has been a key figure in this movement and on Nov. 7, defiantly struck back at naysayers who voted for President-elect Joe Biden:

“While we wait until January to determine our next US President, observe the stunning blindness and hypocrisy in the body of Christ. Christians who voted for the shedding of innocent blood, the Equality Act, and anti-Israel legislation (ALL things God HATES) are now picking up stones to persecute prophets who supposedly missed it.”

Johnson’s recent mea culpa included no apology for that post.

At least 40 charismatic Christian leaders predicted Trump’s reelection starting around 2018, according to J. Gordon Melton, 78, the venerable compiler of the Encyclopedia of American Religions and an American religious studies professor at Baylor University.

“Only a handful [of prophets] got it right on the 2016 election,” said Melton, “so they all jumped into this election and with one exception,” a Black prophet from North Carolina whose name he did not recall, “they were wrong.”

This is the second major hit this movement has taken in less than a year, he added. The first was during a prophetic summit last year.

“Last November when [evangelist] Cindy Jacobs had her meeting in Dallas, none of the prophets at that meeting – and it was the elite who were there – none of them hinted that anything like the coronavirus was coming,” Melton said. “That has come back to haunt them.”

Some in the movement are still holding out for some kind of last-minute miracle from God that would magically reverse the election and install Trump as president on Jan. 20. The Dallas-based Kenneth Copeland Ministries is one. On Jan. 7, host Gene Bailey and several other prophets appearing on a ministry broadcast known as Flashpoint, floated conspiracy theories about the Jan. 6 attacks on the U.S. Capitol. All of them encouraged listeners to continue believing in prophecies of a Trumpian victory.

“Many are on the side of, ‘Let’s attack one another. Let’s get on social media and attack the prophets. And let’s draw the sword on one another,’” said the Rev. Hank Kunneman, pastor of Hosts Church in Omaha, Neb. “And I think that is the greatest mistake we can make as true patriots, true Christians, those of us that are in the body of Christ.”

God had personally assured him there would be a miraculous outcome, he added.

“I’m telling you that’s what we’re getting ready to see,” he said. “I don’t know how that’s going to play out. I just know this thing is not over.”

Read: The Charismatic Christians Prophesying Trump's Victory (And Not Backing Down)

Kat Kerr, a Jacksonville, Fla. prophetess known for her flaming pink hair, agreed.

“He (God) assured me in 2015 that Trump would sit in the White House for eight years,” she said. “And God assured me today when He walked into my room at noon -- well, almost noon, 11:55 am. -- He yelled as loud as He possibly could, ‘Justice will prevail.’”

Many NAR prophets foretell vague events that are hard to disprove, Melton said, but the specificity of these election prophecies are impossible to live down.

“Kat Kerr and others have really painted themselves in a corner,” he said. “This is a very serious problem for the prophecy group.”

James A. Beverley, a research professor at Tyndale University in Toronto, went further in calling the matter “the most significant crisis in the history of modern charismatic prophecy” that he has seen in 40 years of studying the movement.

“The fight over the Trump prophecies has brought a deep division in the charismatic and Pentecostal world and it has given that branch of the Christian church a serious credibility issue,” he said.

Beverley also believes that the QAnon movement’s wild speculations that Trump will engage the military to take back Washington have influenced some Pentecostal prophets.

Released last month, Beverley’s new book, The QAnon Deception, explores how some famous Christian pro-Trump figures like Mark Taylor (known as the “firefighter prophet”) and Dave Hayes (aka the “praying medic”) have direct links to QAnon.

A handful of other prophets are apologizing, including Kris Vallotton, the resident prophet at Bethel Church in Redding, Calif., a major fixture in the NAR movement. Others include Los Angeles pastor and spiritual coach Shawn Bolz (who also prophesied last Feb. 28 that COVID-19 would die down quickly).

“People are speaking words without accountability,” said Michael Brown, a leader in a 1990s movement known as the Brownsville Revival and author of the 2018 book “Playing with Holy Fire: A Wake-Up Call to the Pentecostal-Charismatic Church”. “No major prophetic voices said the COVID crisis was coming and then – when some of them prophesied that it would end in April and it didn’t – no one apologized. So we came into the elections with a bit of a black eye. The prophecies had already been off for a major event.”

What kept the skeptics away was that some in the movement had prophesied a Trump victory well before it happened in 2016 as well as the appointment of three new Supreme Court justices.

“I believe many leaders looked at Trump as some kind of political messiah who would fight our battles, give the church back its voice, and on and on,” Brown said. “It all blended together. And we sometimes prophesy what we desire.”

The end result was dozens of prophets saying Trump would win; a situation Brown said “was the largest-scale deception I’ve seen in 49 years of following Jesus.”

Brown was one of the few in the movement who sounded an early alarm that the prophets could be wrong when he published a cautionary Dec. 15 essay in thestream.org. His “Line of Fire” talk show now includes warnings against folks like Kerr and Kunemann, who he said “prophesy falsely” on a Jan. 11 broadcast. That has caused some backlash.

“I’ve been called the servant of Satan and spawn of Baal because I caved and am not standing with the prophets,” Brown said. “I’ve been called Deep State and that I’m a Mossad agent.”

Certainly, the bulk of Pentecostal-charismatics who follow the prophets are in for a shock when Biden gets inaugurated Jan. 20. Rather than admit their error, Brown says some prophets have already concocted a scenario where Trump will be inaugurated “in heaven” and that God will replace Biden with Trump sometime this spring.

“This could be apostasy,” he said, “people losing their bearings in God. It’s going to get hysterical… Many people are going to be hurt. Most of the prophetic people have gone terribly wrong.”

Erica Ramirez, a Texas-born academic who is the president of Pentecostals and Charismatics for Peace and Justice and director of research at Auburn Seminary in Manhattan, says she’s not seeing much handwringing over the matter.

“I am aware of those who are still hoping for a January 20th miracle,” she said, “but no one in the Texas church circles I am in is professing that, claiming that, or even bringing it up... so it seems fringe from where I am. My sense is that, for churchgoers, January 6 showed them what was not an option, in real time, and is probably producing for many of them a sense of acceptance about the Biden presidency. Even allies like Sammy Rodriguez are backtracking. Nothing can be done.”

One other apology has come from the Rev. Loren Sandford, pastor of New Song Church in Denver, who repudiated what he called “rubber prophecies” stretched to fit a lie.

“Many people have exhorted me not to apologize,” he said in a Jan. 7 YouTube video, “insisting that I was right, that Trump actually won and the election was stolen. Well, regardless of whether or not that is true, the fact remains that Joe Biden is now confirmed as the president-elect. I will not protest that I was right in order to make my words fit the situation and deny getting it wrong. No rubber prophecy.”

On Jan. 11, he released a second video on Facebook, expressing astonishment at the vitriol he’d received.

“Since Jan. 7, I personally have been called a betrayer, a false prophet, a traitor, faithless and some have said they found me disgusting,” he said. “I am way past broken-hearted at what Christians are saying and doing. No wonder the world doesn’t believe us.”

Julia Duin is a veteran journalist who has worked as an editor or reporter for five newspapers, has published six books and has master’s degrees in journalism and religion. She currently freelances out of Seattle for the Seattle Times, Washington Post and other outlets.
Delivering a false prophetic word is the least of his problems. He contributed to a false and deceptive movement for years , the NAR, and is now reaping its fruits of evil. We need to pray for anyone involved in extreme forms of the Charismatic movement. They are gnashing their teeth right now. Be blessed
 
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Kat Kerr, a Jacksonville, Fla. prophetess known for her flaming pink hair, agreed.

“And God assured me today...He yelled as loud as He possibly could, ‘Justice will prevail...’”

You gotta admit Kat was half right - about the justice part that is. If prophecy was baseball, batting .500 is pretty respectable.
 
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Maybe one upside to this fiasco of an administration is that it has shed more light on charlatans and the general quackery that persists in Christian culture? I mean Eric Metaxas seemed relatively reasonable with his Socrates in the City and all. But, thank God for Trump, we now know that his cheese has slid off his cracker.
 
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SEATTLE— A day of reckoning has come for modern-day “prophets” in the Pentecostal/charismatic movement who falsely foretold a victory for President Trump in 2020. One charismatic leader calls it a “rebuke from the Lord.” A major speaker in the movement calls it “the largest scale deception I’ve seen in 49 years of following Jesus.”
This is not accurate. Another (or the same) batch of false prophets were exposed when the world did not come to an end on 1/1/2000. We know exactly what the Bible says to do with false prophets.

Sure, they may repent. But they should never open their mouths again in public preaching. And they should give up all the money they made, at least in the past year. And they may be found liable for inciting violence.

One may tell his opinion to a small group of friends (or in a forum like this) but public speech has consequences.
 
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A day of reckoning has come for modern-day “prophets” in the Pentecostal/charismatic movement who falsely foretold a victory for President Trump in 2020.
The prophecy came true. Trump was re elected. It makes perfect sense that God re-elected Trump the way He did. There is lots of prophecy in the Bible that people argue over and do not understand. Lack of understanding does not falsify prophecy. Not that I support them other than that your attack on your brothers and sisters in the lord is without merit.
 
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Exactly. What seemed true four years ago has now proven itself to be true. These people who have been vindicated.

"Vindicated" means to clear someone of blame or suspicion, proving that they were right or justified. For example, if someone was accused of something they didn't do, and later evidence shows they were innocent, they are vindicated. It's like a triumphant moment of proving your point or innocence!

In the book of Deuteronomy 18:22, it says:

"When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him."

This verse indicates that if a prophecy does not come true, it is a sign that the person is not a true prophet of God.
 
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I read at the QAnon 4chan, later the 8Chan site almost from the beginning.

Most people, particularly reporters, really don't have a clue about the QAnon subject matters, this particular article writer included

Just because some deluded christian prophets pick up a narrative doesn't make them accurate either

Both Trump and QAnon did serve to drive out and expose some idiotic false prophets. I wouldn't listen to any of them quite frankly

And God is in charge regardless of any outcomes, good, evil or indifferent
 
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More than Charismatics make prophecies that don’t come true. The congregation we attended several years ago even had a conference with several people who had the same prophecy about what they thought was a coming tragic event. It didn’t happen as expected, but other events happened that mitigated the situation. I believed the “prophets”, because they were logical and sincere. Things were prepared, but they were done is such a way that nothing was wasted if the event didn’t happen. Did God answer prayers? Were they unintentionally exaggerating? It is a pretty exciting thing to think God gave you a prophecy, and it is easy to run too far and too fast with it. On the other hand, it is not easy to know who is the source of “voices” in one’s head. If I wake up in the middle of the night with the thought that I forgot to turn something off in the barn, does it come from me or God or an angel? Either way, I get up and turn it off and am glad I did.

If there is a prophecy that you can’t do anything about, don’t worry about it.
 
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No they haven't. They were very specific about Trump winning in 2020.
You can believe what you want. That is up to you to decide who represents God and who does not. This was a big issue for my dad. People have different beliefs and he did not know who to believe. He expectably would disregard the hell fire and brimstone and people with a negative message. He was interested in people that would rejoice in the Lord when when they had to deal with extreame adversity. He attended a service once when my son was baptized and he was impressed that everyone was so positive.
 
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To put a date on when a prophecy will take place is not what prophesying is about. We see from actual subsequent events that the undated part of the prophecy about Trump having a second term Presidency is correct.

The prophecy that Jesus gave about the blossoming of the fig tree had no year,month,day of when it would happen, but in subsequent events, we know that it occurred in 1948 in May 14, the Jews were suddenly front page news after years of not hearing much about them.

Likewise the prophesies of the birth of the Son of God-Jesus Christ was not spoken by use of a year,month,day. Yet, at the right time, Jesus was by the prophesies of the OT, and by the words of the angel, and by the Holy Spirit conceived in the womb of the virgin Mary who said, "Be it unto me as you have spoken." As John said, He was the word made flesh.
 
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Likewise the prophesies of the birth of the Son of God-Jesus Christ was not spoken by use of a year,month,day.
I believe that Adam and Jesus were the same age 6,000 years apart. Even to the very second in time. Adam was told on the day he sinned he would die and 6,000 years later to the day, Jesus died for Adam and or Eve. Mary was actually descended from Eve. It is though the line of David that Jesus is King. That is why we have two genealogies in the Bible.

In the same way we KNOW that the church age will end 2,000 years from the beginning. On the day of pentacost in the year 29 ad. Even though Jesus died 50 years before on the day of Pentacost.

asteroid Apophis, has garnered attention due to its close approaches to Earth in 2029 and 2036. seven years apart and people talk about a seven year period of tribulation. For whatever president replaces Trump.

 
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This is why I follow scripture and the spirit instead of teachers
Yes, exactly. I get confident that I can know when they are lying. But then I get sucked in again to their mistakes and errors. They let you get comfortable and then they zap you. Every church thinks different and every church gets upset when you think different from them. All of the time. Even when they try to scam you into thinking they are open minded to the understanding of others.
 
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I believe that Adam and Jesus were the same age 6,000 years apart. Even to the very second in time. Adam was told on the day he sinned he would die and 6,000 years later to the day, Jesus died for Adam and or Eve. Mary was actually descended from Eve. It is though the line of David that Jesus is King. That is why we have two genealogies in the Bible.

In the same way we KNOW that the church age will end 2,000 years from the beginning. On the day of pentacost in the year 29 ad. Even though Jesus died 50 years before on the day of Pentacost.

asteroid Apophis, has garnered attention due to its close approaches to Earth in 2029 and 2036. seven years apart and people talk about a seven year period of tribulation. For whatever president replaces Trump.

We have a calendar count from which you say that Pentecost happened on 29 AD. However the calendar has been tampered with many times in the past, so it's a guess or mathmatic gymnastics to say that 2029 AD will end on the Anniversary Day of Pentecost 29 AD. As you seem to be saying but perhaps I'm mistaken?

However the Moed of Trumpets is to be the fulfillment of what is known as the Rapture which ends the Church age. Trumpets happens in the Fall. Pentecost is in April... 50 days after Jesus' resurrection.

Apophis has been predicted by NASA to make a close fly-by of earth in 2029 on April Fool's Day. If they're right that it will not impact, it will fly-by in 4 years from now.

The book of Revelation says in chapts 6-8 that an asteroid will make impact on earth/big waters and small. NASA has also said that there will not be any asteroid impact for 100 years. I think that is pulling a number out of their hat to avoid public panic. Which is a 180 from what they first announced in 2004. They gave year,mon,day of the impact for each of the three events they expected.

Meanwhile the first movie of an asteroid impact was in 1998 "Deep Impact". The first display of what an actual impact would look like as it hit in the water. The chapters in Rev. 6-8 also describes the same thing. The author of the movie plotline did his homework, and the author of Revelation got his information directly from the resurrected Jesus in order to be as accurate as possible.

I watch several astro-science videos for information on possibilities concerning Apophis.
 
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