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The Verified Healing Miracles at Lourdes

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(1) Are you an evangelical like me who does not prayer for the Virgin Mary's intercession. This thread will present 3 videos that I'm confident will collectively convince you that you are mistaken. I say this as someone who once successfully sued Catholics! The first movie presents the foundation events that transformed Massabielle in Lourdes from a garbage dump into a pilgrimage site visited annually by more people than pilgrims who visit Jerusalem and Mecca! Jennifer Jones won the Academy Award for Best Actress for her role as the visionary girl, Bernadette, in what I, a movie buff, consider the best female acting ever put on the big screen. The mivie is old (1943), but is the most spiritually inspiring movie I've ever seen. After weeks of ridicule and persecution, Mry reveals an underground healing spiring that Bernadette digs up with her bare hands. The mocking turns to tears of joy and praise when the first healing miracles happen as the blind an lame bathe and drink this spring:


(2) After you watch this movie, listen to this thrilling testimony of Mary Maguire's miraculous healing at Lourdes of advanced terminal multlple scherosis and marvel at the spiritual principles she applies to experience the miracle after a failed initial effort:


The third video is a documentary that scientifically fact checks claims of miraculous healings at Lourdes. To avoid even the appearance of bias, in th late 1ith century the Catholic church set up a Medical Board at Lourdes of secular doctors and surgeons who demand every conceivable medical record, test, and doctor consultation in a process that lasts decades. In other words, to qualify as a miracle, th healing must be instaneous, permanent, medically inexplicable, and without parallels in cases of spontaneous remission. Most of those healed, like Mary Maguire, go home and praise God for their miracle without bothering with the time, effort, and expense needed to submit themselves to this medical board;


If and when you've watched all 3 videos, let me know and then I will show you how this miraculous shrine is consistent with Scripture.
 

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In the 19th century, evangelicals hatched the heresy of cessationism as a way of rejecting such "Catholic" miracles.
These cessationists should instead have humbled themselves and asked, "Why does Catholic faith produce such healing miracles when our own faith doesn't?" And I say this as an evangelical Protestant.
 
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Methodists are considered Evangelical? Or are you part of the wider Wesleyan movement? Or Holiness movement?

Are you part of the United Methodist Church? Global Methodist Church? Free Methodist Church? Wesleyan Church? Church of Nazarene? Primitive Methodist Church? African Methodist Episcopal Church?
 
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Methodists are considered Evangelical? Or are you part of the wider Wesleyan movement? Or Holiness movement?

Are you part of the United Methodist Church? Global Methodist Church? Free Methodist Church? Wesleyan Church? Church of Nazarene? Primitive Methodist Church? African Methodist Episcopal Church?
Don't underestimate the diversity within the UMC .In my last UMC pastorate, a tongues speaker like me preached on the continuing legitimacy of the sign gifts of the Spirit. When I retired there, I was replaced by a UMC pastor who had spoken in tongues in fluent Korean, as was verified by a Korean present in the meeting. That church has now split from the UMC and joined the Global Methodist Church.
 
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Don't underestimate the diversity within the UMC .In my last UMC pastorate, a tongues speaker like me preached on the continuing legitimacy of the sign gifts of the Spirit. When I retired there, I was replaced by a UMC pastor who had spoken in tongues in fluent Korean, as was verified by a Korean present in the meeting. That church has now split from the UMC and joined the Global Methodist Church.
Thanks for your response. I'm not versed in their theology, so I have no idea what the UMC teaches. I know Pentecostalism descended from Methodism, so to speak, so I'm not surprised some Methodists speak in tongues etc

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A week ago, I was reminded that the apparitions of Mary at Lourdes in 1858 coincided with the Third Great Awakening that swept the USA beginning in 1857, resulting in countless Christians suddenly being promoted to spend long periods in prayer. You can read about it here:


The apparitions and healing miracles at Lourdes seem to have bee part of a great move of God that included both Catholics and Protestants simultaneously.
 
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A week ago, I was reminded that the apparitions of Mary at Lourdes in 1858 coincided with the Third Great Awakening that swept the USA beginning in 1857, resulting in countless Christians suddenly being promoted to spend long periods in prayer. You can read about it here:


The apparitions and healing miracles at Lourdes seem to have bee part of a great move of God that included both Catholics and Protestants simultaneously.
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing! :)
 
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Don't underestimate the diversity within the UMC .In my last UMC pastorate, a tongues speaker like me preached on the continuing legitimacy of the sign gifts of the Spirit. When I retired there, I was replaced by a UMC pastor who had spoken in tongues in fluent Korean, as was verified by a Korean present in the meeting. That church has now split from the UMC and joined the Global Methodist Church.

Most of my Methodist friends have left for the Global Methodist Church after the horrifying events of last summer.
 
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By the way @Berserk there are periodic healings involving the Theotokos and Orthodox Christians, as well as other saints who are mutually recognized, and myrhh streaming relics and icons, such as those of St. Nicholas of Myra (currently housed in a Catholic church in Bari, Italy) and the Kursk Root Icon “Joy of All Who Sorrow” and more recently the Iveron icon from the ROCOR parish in Hawaii. There are also Catholic, Anglican, Methodist and Orthodox healings connected to the Theotokos through the apparition known as Our Lady of Walsingham in the UK.
 
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Most of my Methodist friends have left for the Global Methodist Church after the horrifying events of last summer.
I know there is a Global Methodist Church in Omaha, none in my town, though. There is a small Independent Methodist Church that isn't affiliated with either the UMC or Global Methodist Church in my town. I don't have much experience with Protestant sects other than attending some weddings, and a few funerals.
 
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THE HEALING SPRING BY THE HOUSE OF THE VIRGIN MARY ON TOP OF A SMALL MOUNTAIN JUST OUTSIDE THE MASSIVE RUINS OF ANCIENT EPHESUS

I find it fascinating that the healing springs miraculously dug up by Bernadette at Mary's behest is not the only healing Marian springs. My fellow parishioner Dick climbed this little mountain on a "Footsteps of St. Paul Tour" that he (and later I) took about 10 years ago. Dick went on this tour despite the fact that he had torn tendons in his badly arthritic knee.

He limped badly up the beautiful little mountain lined with box-shaped trees and an elegant wall along the pathway. A Turkish lady saw him limp and urged him to bottle water from the adjacent Marian spring that could be tapped from a spigot in the descending wall. A skeptical Dick complied just to be polite, but when he returned to his hotel, he complained about his pain to his wife, Mary Ann. She replied, "Well, why don't you pour the bottled water onto your knee to see if that helps?" Dick replied, "Why? It's just water with no special powers!" His wife retorted, "I agree, but what do you have to lose?" So Dick reluctantly poured the water on his knee. He felt a little better, but attributed this to a placebo effect.

When he returned to the US, he entered a Spokane hospital for orthopedic surgery on his knee. When he came out of the anesthesia, his surgeon stood at the foot of his bed. The surgeon said defensively, "I don't understand it. We took MRIs and did other tests on your torn tendons before your trip, but when we cut you open, your knee was perfectly normal and even the arthritis was gone!" The doctor probably feared a malpractice lawsuit. Dick testified to his miracle in my church and began it in this unforgettable way: "Now I do some things which many of you would disapprove of!"
 
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