Mel Gibson criticises Pope Francis over slide toward religious pluralism

Michie · Jan 11, 2025

Mel Gibson has criticised Pope Francis for allegedly acting as if he believes all religions are valid before God.

The Australian director of The Passion of the Christ, an acclaimed 2004 movie about the Crucifixion starring Jim Caviezel, cited the so-called “Pachamama scandal” as an example of the Pope’s alleged religious pluralism.

In a podcast interview with US chat show host Joe Rogan, Mr Gibson explained his scepticism about reforms of the Second Vatican Council of the 1960s by saying: “We’ve got a pope that brought a South American idol into the church to worship.”

He said a religious ceremony was performed in the presence of the idol which, he said, “constitutes an apostasy”.

“It’s a falling away,” he explained at about half an hour into the two-hour interview. “The very nature of apostasy is that you have to be part of it to fall away from it. It’s an inside job. It isn’t good.”

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chevyontheriver · Jan 11, 2025

Michie said:
Mel Gibson has criticised Pope Francis for allegedly acting as if he believes all religions are valid before God.

The Australian director of The Passion of the Christ, an acclaimed 2004 movie about the Crucifixion starring Jim Caviezel, cited the so-called “Pachamama scandal” as an example of the Pope’s alleged religious pluralism.

In a podcast interview with US chat show host Joe Rogan, Mr Gibson explained his scepticism about reforms of the Second Vatican Council of the 1960s by saying: “We’ve got a pope that brought a South American idol into the church to worship.”

He said a religious ceremony was performed in the presence of the idol which, he said, “constitutes an apostasy”.

“It’s a falling away,” he explained at about half an hour into the two-hour interview. “The very nature of apostasy is that you have to be part of it to fall away from it. It’s an inside job. It isn’t good.”

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Pachamama was an abomination.

RileyG · Jan 11, 2025

chevyontheriver said:
Pachamama was an abomination.

Amen

SeekFirst0 · Jan 14, 2025

Mel Gibson actively dissents against the Church. Let’s pray for him.

JimR-OCDS · Jan 14, 2025

I watched Gibson on the Joe Rogan podcast, and he was wrong. Pope Francis never worshiped the pagan Pachamama statue.

The statue was in the Vatican Gardens and not taken into Mass in the Basilica where
Pope Francis celebrated Mass.

Dr. Fastiggi Defends Pope Francis Re "Pachamama Idolatry"

The debate rages about the ceremony in the Vatican gardens on 4 October 2019. Dr. Robert Fastiggi refutes detractors who are convinced that rank idolatry of "Pachamama" occurred.

www.patheos.com

What do our Holy Fathers teach about the Pachamama?

Do our Holy Fathers teach that it is an idol? No. Our Holy Fathers Saint John Paul II and Francis refer to it as “Mother Earth” or, in another case, a statue or representation that is not an idol. …

ronconte.com

chevyontheriver · Jan 14, 2025

JimR-OCDS said:
I watched Gibson on the Joe Rogan podcast, and he was wrong. Pope Francis never worshiped the pagan Pachamama statue.

The statue was in the Vatican Gardens and not taken into Mass in the Basilica where
Pope Francis celebrated Mass.

Dr. Fastiggi Defends Pope Francis Re "Pachamama Idolatry"

The debate rages about the ceremony in the Vatican gardens on 4 October 2019. Dr. Robert Fastiggi refutes detractors who are convinced that rank idolatry of "Pachamama" occurred.

www.patheos.com

What do our Holy Fathers teach about the Pachamama?

Do our Holy Fathers teach that it is an idol? No. Our Holy Fathers Saint John Paul II and Francis refer to it as “Mother Earth” or, in another case, a statue or representation that is not an idol. …

ronconte.com

Was someone playing with Photoshop then when Pachamama was seen on an altar?

RileyG · Jan 15, 2025

SeekFirst0 said:
Mel Gibson actively dissents against the Church. Let’s pray for him.

There is only ONE Church. The Catholic Church.

Point blank PERIOD.

ALL other Churches, are more of less, "communities."

I DO respect the Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodox Church, Assyrian Church of the East, and Ancient Church of the East since they are ancient and have sacraments.

Notice, I did not ONCE mention a Western Church.

RileyG · Jan 15, 2025

JimR-OCDS said:
I watched Gibson on the Joe Rogan podcast, and he was wrong. Pope Francis never worshiped the pagan Pachamama statue.

The statue was in the Vatican Gardens and not taken into Mass in the Basilica where
Pope Francis celebrated Mass.

Dr. Fastiggi Defends Pope Francis Re "Pachamama Idolatry"

The debate rages about the ceremony in the Vatican gardens on 4 October 2019. Dr. Robert Fastiggi refutes detractors who are convinced that rank idolatry of "Pachamama" occurred.

www.patheos.com

What do our Holy Fathers teach about the Pachamama?

Do our Holy Fathers teach that it is an idol? No. Our Holy Fathers Saint John Paul II and Francis refer to it as “Mother Earth” or, in another case, a statue or representation that is not an idol. …

ronconte.com

ugh...I wish I could attend the Latin Mass more often...hopefully my mother can take me to the FSSP chapel this coming Friday :prayer:

JimR-OCDS · Jan 15, 2025

chevyontheriver said:
Was someone playing with Photoshop then when Pachamama was seen on an altar?

It wasn't on the altar and the Pachamama is not seen as a god by neither Pope Francis
nor the Amazon natives that brought it. For them, it just represents "mother earth."

To think otherwise, you must believe that St Francis of Assisi was pagan worshiping when he called brother sun and sister moon?
Also, Popes including St John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis refer to "mother earth," or "mother nature." They're
not making nature God, but gifts from God.

JimR-OCDS · Jan 15, 2025

RileyG said:
ugh...I wish I could attend the Latin Mass more often...hopefully my mother can take me to the FSSP chapel this coming Friday

I have no desire to attend Mass where I don't understand Latin.

Its bad enough that when I attend First Friday Mass and Adoration, we sing two Latin Hymns. The people attending
barely understand the words and the hymns are sung horribly.

To demand that the Mass be said in Latin is akin to the Muslims demanding that the Quaran be kept in Arabic.
This helps to keep the peasantry ignorant.

RileyG · Jan 15, 2025

JimR-OCDS said:
I have no desire to attend Mass where I don't understand Latin.

Its bad enough that when I attend First Friday Mass and Adoration, we sing two Latin Hymns. The people attending
barely understand the words and the hymns are sung horribly.

To demand that the Mass be said in Latin is akin to the Muslims demanding that the Quaran be kept in Arabic.
This helps to keep the peasantry ignorant.

I love and appreciate both Masses, and I think both should be kept.

JimR-OCDS · Jan 15, 2025

RileyG said:
I love and appreciate both Masses, and I think both should be kept.

Both formats are valid. However, understanding the words in one outweighs not understanding the words in the other.

Its just me and I studied to be an altar boy before Vatican II. We merely mimicked the Latin words by rote.

BTW, back then, PA systems were not as good as today, so the priest and altar boys with their backs to you, all we
could really hear is them mumbling the Latin words. Also, in my parish, the priest who said the Mass the fastest, got the larger
crowds.

RileyG · Jan 15, 2025

JimR-OCDS said:
Both formats are valid. However, understanding the words in one outweighs not understanding the words in the other.

Its just me and I studied to be an altar boy before Vatican II. We merely mimicked the Latin words by rote.

BTW, back then, PA systems were not as good as today, so the priest and altar boys with their backs to you, all we
could really hear is them mumbling the Latin words. Also, in my parish, the priest who said the Mass the fastest, got the larger
crowds.

Yeah. When I go to the Latin mass it’s almost entirely silent.

JimR-OCDS · Jan 16, 2025

Here's Bishop Barron's and JD's response to Mel Gibson's criticism of Vatican II.

SeekFirst0 · Jan 27, 2025

RileyG said:
There is only ONE Church. The Catholic Church.

Point blank PERIOD.

ALL other Churches, are more of less, "communities."

I DO respect the Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodox Church, Assyrian Church of the East, and Ancient Church of the East since they are ancient and have sacraments.

Notice, I did not ONCE mention a Western Church.

Amen, precisely! I want our Protestant brothers and sisters to come to the fullness of Truth and Orthodox too.

Gnarwhal · Jan 28, 2025

The boomer allergy to Latin is comical to me.

Every prayer wrought in the vernacular is another year in purgatory wearing sandpaper underwear.

Sword of the Lord · Jan 28, 2025

Mel Gibson is an American who was born in America and lives in America. He moved with his family to Australia when he was a preteen and is considered a permanent resident there, but he's an American and lives in California. Very weird to call him an Australian director.

Tom Aumen · Jan 28, 2025

SeekFirst0 said:
Mel Gibson actively dissents against the Church. Let’s pray for him.

What did you mean? When did he?

RileyG · Jan 29, 2025

SeekFirst0 said:
Amen, precisely! I want our Protestant brothers and sisters to come to the fullness of Truth and Orthodox too.

Amen! Let's make a Lutheran and Methodist ordinate which will allow our brothers and sisters in that tradition to join us!

RileyG · Jan 29, 2025

Gnarwhal said:
The boomer allergy to Latin is comical to me.

Every prayer wrought in the vernacular is another year in purgatory wearing sandpaper underwear.

What?

Every prayer that is sincere is a good prayer.

I don't understand!

It won't be a "year in purgatory" because the prayer is said in the language of the people (vernacular).

What about "mental prayer" which is essentially talking to God in your own words? Should that be in Latin?

I'm not sure I follow you, brother? ???

Respectfully,

Riley

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