Woke Culture is Clueless Why Average People Do Not Like Woke Entertainment

Bible Highlighter · Nov 28, 2024

Woke Culture is Clueless Why Average Americans Do Not Like Woke Movies:

Woke-infected minds think all MAGA followers or everyday average Americans are just simply racist, and against women being leaders.
Little do they realize that most Trump voters do not have a problem with films that have a strong female or black man as the protagonist, but it has to do with proper and good storytelling from honoring established storylines instead of pushing a modern-day Ideology they would prefer not to swallow. This ideology is that the white man is bad, and they are all racist, and women are on the same level as men physically. The Woke ideology including DEI goes even further than that, which enters into the realm of what Lot had to face when he was pulled out of his home by two angels.

MAGA Attacks "Woke" Disney Again

I warned about the possibility of Trump going after entertainment and entertainment venues. Is Disney strong enough to stand up to Trump after weathering the storm from Ron DeSantis? Two movies coming out are being accused of "woke" casting by putting...

www.dailykos.com

The article above criticizes MAGA supporters in that they unjustly attack Disney's recent woke entertainment.
The author in the article (Bill Addis) above basically states that from the MAGA supporter's perspectives,
…the actress in the new Snow White film was not white enough (they muse).
But this is not the real reason why MAGA supporters do not like this new Snow White movie.

First, the lead actress (Rachel Zegler) playing the role of Snow White in this new Snow White film stated,
"May Trump supporters and Trump voters and Trump himself never know peace".
Many have interpreted this statement by the actress as a direct attack on a substantial segment of the American population.
Hence, why it rubbed many MAGA supporters (or patriotic Americans) the wrong way.
Second, another major reason why Trump supporters do not like this new Snow White film is because it does not honor the original film but instead pushes the Woke agenda.

Personally, I never liked the original Snow White cartoon movie.
Nevertheless, I do understand that there are fans of this film.
The new movie fundamentally transforms the prince's character by:

Removing the traditional "true love's kiss" rescue scenario
Eliminating the romantic storyline as the primary plot driver
Shifting focus from romantic rescue to Snow White's personal empowerment

Zegler highlighted this change by noting that Snow White is "not going to be dreaming about true love" but instead "dreaming about becoming the leader she knows she can be. Now, MAGA supporters do not have problems with other stories with strong female leads. Wonder Woman did really well at the box office, and I am sure many of them were Trump voters. The problem is changing an already established story that many people love and then changing it to push an ideology that everything must be re-imagined to make it woke or focused on diversity or DEI. Most people don't want this kind of message shoved in their faces.

The article also highlights the upcoming Captain America sequel, featuring Falcon (Steve Rogers' trusted sidekick, who is Black) stepping into the role of Captain America. The article of course criticizes MAGA supporters in their expected rejection of this movie. No doubt, they most likely think all MAGA supporters are just simply racist when this is not the case. One, this type of storyline has never hit off well in comic book sales. Fans of the Captain America series do not really see Falcon as Captain America. They will always think Cap is Steve Rodgers, who is a white male Protestant Christian. The new Cap film is pushing the DEI agenda. Instead of going with an established storyline that Captain America fans love, Disney decides to push the woke agenda. Yes, I know Falcon was given the shield to be Cap back in the Avengers (which is not a problem because it was a minor scene), but to do a movie on this character is not smart financially, and nor would it please many Cap fans. They will just see this new Cap film as some kind of ideological agenda from the Left. Even worse, the character of the United States president in this film (Harrison Ford) turns into a monster (i.e., the Red Hulk). This seems symbolic or representative of Trump. Some have even made cartoons of Trump as the Hulk before this film was ever imagined. I am sure it was not a coincidence that the Woke creators were thinking this when writing the script. They think "orange man" is bad. Yet, they never bother to get out of their echo chamber and investigate the reality of things outside of the View on MSNBC and or other Left-wing media outlets. Therefore, they see Trump as the Hulk or Hitler.

Again, this is not to say that comic books and their film adaptations have not done well with strong black leads. Black Panther sold well in the comic book industry and did well as a film in theaters. The problem is not a strong female lead or a strong black protagonist. The problem is when you change an established story whereby it is not natural and it actually ruins what the original story or storyline was about. Yes, I know Green Lantern later featured a black Green Lantern and it did well. But this is a character whereby it is the passing of a power ring, and not something like Captain America who symbolizes America, and whose character is tied to the 1940s. It would be like having a black or Asian man playing Superman in an upcoming movie. However, such an approach would destroy the picture of what fans believe Superman should be. Again, I think changing minor Marvel characters to be black is fine. This worked with Samuel Jackson playing Nick Fury in the Avengers films (Which was established in the comics ahead of time). My top two favorite TV shows of all time in the past were Alias and Deep Space Nine. Alias had a strong female lead, and DS9 had strong black lead. I was in total acceptance of this. They were great characters and these shows had some of the best storylines around. The point here is that fans can see when an agenda is being pushed and most often natural good storytelling also suffers as a result, as well. The story is sacrificed upon the altar of DEI. There should be no DEI junk. We are all Americans or we all bleed red. Folks who have no appreciation of these stories or characters and have 100% sold out to the Woke agenda will in most cases, not understand this. They either forgot what good movies were or they never truly experienced them, or they sold out to an agenda that has warped their common sense and natural taste for normal and good art. They do not understand that regular people do not want woke stuff pushed in their faces. They do not understand that they are the new kids on the block and they are the ones who are seeking to tear down normalcy that has existed for many decades here in America.

While I have given up watching Marvel movies, Alias, and DS9 to follow Christ, I do think good stories can help people.
But when the story is changed to push an ideology that many reject, it just doesn't make any sense.
Who is the intended audience?

Side Note:

While this is not related to the film industry, it does relate to the topic involving DEI.
Jaguar's new car advertisement has gone totally woke, and it has faced heavy criticism.
There is not even a car in the advertisement!
Yet, Jaguar decides to double down and attack such criticism calling people hateful.
Well, even Jesus criticized others heavily. It doesn't mean He was hateful.
Does Jaguar not want to sell cars? Or are they more interested in pushing the DEI agenda that many people don't want?

Bible Highlighter · Nov 28, 2024

Anyways, Happy Thanksgiving!
May we all be thankful to the Lord Jesus Christ even more this upcoming new year.

eleos1954 · Nov 29, 2024

Bible Highlighter said:
Woke Culture is Clueless Why Average Americans Do Not Like Woke Movies:

Woke-infected minds think all MAGA followers or everyday average Americans are just simply racist, and against women being leaders.
Little do they realize that most Trump voters do not have a problem with films that have a strong female or black man as the protagonist, but it has to do with proper and good storytelling from honoring established storylines instead of pushing a modern-day Ideology they would prefer not to swallow. This ideology is that the white man is bad, and they are all racist, and women are on the same level as men physically. The Woke ideology including DEI goes even further than that, which enters into the realm of what Lot had to face when he was pulled out of his home by two angels.

MAGA Attacks "Woke" Disney Again

I warned about the possibility of Trump going after entertainment and entertainment venues. Is Disney strong enough to stand up to Trump after weathering the storm from Ron DeSantis? Two movies coming out are being accused of "woke" casting by putting...

www.dailykos.com

The article above criticizes MAGA supporters in that they unjustly attack Disney's recent woke entertainment.
The author in the article (Bill Addis) above basically states that from the MAGA supporter's perspectives,
…the actress in the new Snow White film was not white enough (they muse).
But this is not the real reason why MAGA supporters do not like this new Snow White movie.

First, the lead actress (Rachel Zegler) playing the role of Snow White in this new Snow White film stated,
"May Trump supporters and Trump voters and Trump himself never know peace".
Many have interpreted this statement by the actress as a direct attack on a substantial segment of the American population.
Hence, why it rubbed many MAGA supporters (or patriotic Americans) the wrong way.
Second, another major reason why Trump supporters do not like this new Snow White film is because it does not honor the original film but instead pushes the Woke agenda.

Personally, I never liked the original Snow White cartoon movie.
Nevertheless, I do understand that there are fans of this film.
The new movie fundamentally transforms the prince's character by:

Removing the traditional "true love's kiss" rescue scenario

Eliminating the romantic storyline as the primary plot driver

Shifting focus from romantic rescue to Snow White's personal empowerment

Zegler highlighted this change by noting that Snow White is "not going to be dreaming about true love" but instead "dreaming about becoming the leader she knows she can be. Now, MAGA supporters do not have problems with other stories with strong female leads. Wonder Woman did really well at the box office, and I am sure many of them were Trump voters. The problem is changing an already established story that many people love and then changing it to push an ideology that everything must be re-imagined to make it woke or focused on diversity or DEI. Most people don't want this kind of message shoved in their faces.

The article also highlights the upcoming Captain America sequel, featuring Falcon (Steve Rogers' trusted sidekick, who is Black) stepping into the role of Captain America. The article of course criticizes MAGA supporters in their expected rejection of this movie. No doubt, they most likely think all MAGA supporters are just simply racist when this is not the case. One, this type of storyline has never hit off well in comic book sales. Fans of the Captain America series do not really see Falcon as Captain America. They will always think Cap is Steve Rodgers, who is a white male Protestant Christian. The new Cap film is pushing the DEI agenda. Instead of going with an established storyline that Captain America fans love, Disney decides to push the woke agenda. Yes, I know Falcon was given the shield to be Cap back in the Avengers (which is not a problem because it was a minor scene), but to do a movie on this character is not smart financially, and nor would it please many Cap fans. They will just see this new Cap film as some kind of ideological agenda from the Left. Even worse, the character of the United States president in this film (Harrison Ford) turns into a monster (i.e., the Red Hulk). This seems symbolic or representative of Trump. Some have even made cartoons of Trump as the Hulk before this film was ever imagined. I am sure it was not a coincidence that the Woke creators were thinking this when writing the script. They think "orange man" is bad. Yet, they never bother to get out of their echo chamber and investigate the reality of things outside of the View on MSNBC and or other Left-wing media outlets. Therefore, they see Trump as the Hulk or Hitler.

Again, this is not to say that comic books and their film adaptations have not done well with strong black leads. Black Panther sold well in the comic book industry and did well as a film in theaters. The problem is not a strong female lead or a strong black protagonist. The problem is when you change an established story whereby it is not natural and it actually ruins what the original story or storyline was about. Yes, I know Green Lantern later featured a black Green Lantern and it did well. But this is a character whereby it is the passing of a power ring, and not something like Captain America who symbolizes America, and whose character is tied to the 1940s. It would be like having a black or Asian man playing Superman in an upcoming movie. However, such an approach would destroy the picture of what fans believe Superman should be. Again, I think changing minor Marvel characters to be black is fine. This worked with Samuel Jackson playing Nick Fury in the Avengers films (Which was established in the comics ahead of time). My top two favorite TV shows of all time in the past were Alias and Deep Space Nine. Alias had a strong female lead, and DS9 had strong black lead. I was in total acceptance of this. They were great characters and these shows had some of the best storylines around. The point here is that fans can see when an agenda is being pushed and most often natural good storytelling also suffers as a result, as well. The story is sacrificed upon the altar of DEI. There should be no DEI junk. We are all Americans or we all bleed red. Folks who have no appreciation of these stories or characters and have 100% sold out to the Woke agenda will in most cases, not understand this. They either forgot what good movies were or they never truly experienced them, or they sold out to an agenda that has warped their common sense and natural taste for normal and good art. They do not understand that regular people do not want woke stuff pushed in their faces. They do not understand that they are the new kids on the block and they are the ones who are seeking to tear down normalcy that has existed for many decades here in America.

While I have given up watching Marvel movies, Alias, and DS9 to follow Christ, I do think good stories can help people.
But when the story is changed to push an ideology that many reject, it just doesn't make any sense.
Who is the intended audience?

Side Note:

While this is not related to the film industry, it does relate to the topic involving DEI.
Jaguar's new car advertisement has gone totally woke, and it has faced heavy criticism.
There is not even a car in the advertisement!
Yet, Jaguar decides to double down and attack such criticism calling people hateful.
Well, even Jesus criticized others heavily. It doesn't mean He was hateful.
Does Jaguar not want to sell cars? Or are they more interested in pushing the DEI agenda that many people don't want?

The woke culture challenges many people's moral compass and therefor there is a push back.

Bible Highlighter · Nov 30, 2024

eleos1954 said:
The woke culture challenges many people's moral compass and therefor there is a push back.

Thank you, Eleos. I agree.
One Christian I seen on YouTube basically said that Woke culture is sort of like a form of idolatry.

Bible Highlighter · Nov 30, 2024

@Vambram

Thank you for the likes. Did you see the new Jaguar commercial? It's absolutely crazy.
There are two spoofs of it that are really funny.

Here is the new Jaguar commercial that is absolutely insane.

However, here are two funny spoofs on it, though:

On the conservative side (or flip-side): There are two new really good commercials which focus on the family that are touching:

Apple's family commercial:

Volvo's family commercial:

Servus · Nov 30, 2024

The Jaguar ads were discussed a week or two ago on a thread somewhere. Not only are they bizarre, they don't make any sense for advertising that kind of automobile. It's like the idea is to be woke and the thinking stops there. They didn't even show the product lol.

stevevw · Nov 30, 2024

eleos1954 said:
The woke culture challenges many people's moral compass and therefor there is a push back.

Thats the problem. Disney movies and especialy childrens movies should not be about morality or politics. That is why Disney is going down the drain.

Its hypocritically taking some moral high ground when they are not the in any position nor should be the moral judges, juries and executioners. Because they are actually the ones doing exactly what they accuse the majority of doing. Being racist by moralising about the color of peoples skin with their Woke virtue signalling.

stevevw · Nov 30, 2024

A good example of the Wokism of movies is how women are now made exactly the same as men in strength and power. Men are replaced by women and women are going around beating up men and doing everything men use to do as far as power and strength.

Another example is how Bud went Woke and actually believed that their Bud customers which were primarily males within a specific democgraphic would relate to Trans ideology. That sent Bud almost out of business.

Bud had a simple task, they had marketers and they knew who their customers were. But they ignored all this data and years of research and mixed business with politics. How can a multi million dollar company get it some fundementally wrong.

This is ok a couple of times but when it becomes the norm people begin to turn off because its unreal. It does not reflect reality. Unreality is ok in its context but when its made into reality by pushing woke to the point of indoctrination people turn off.

Bible Highlighter · Nov 30, 2024

ozso said:
The Jaguar ads were discussed a week or two ago on a thread somewhere. Not only are they bizarre, they don't make any sense for advertising that kind of automobile. It's like the idea is to be woke and the thinking stops there. They didn't even show the product lol.

I think one of the symptoms of the Woke mind virus is all rational thought goes out the window when it comes to pushing DEI or woke stuff. Obviously, any logical business person wants to make money with their business. However, maybe they do not care anymore about making money with their companies or films because they want to brainwash whoever they can at any cost and slowly shift the culture more and more towards their own dark agenda. Generally, the owner of the business is set for life financially anyway. So the company just becomes a front to push an agenda to brainwash people. This will give them more satisfaction if they succeed even a little. What I do not understand is that the whole DEI nonsense will only erode the country as a whole. No longer is the most qualified person for a job or company the consideration to be hired but it is based on the color of one's skin or their odd sexual preference, etc. Look at what happened when the border was left open under the Biden administration because they want to be accepting to all. We have millions of illegals now, and thousands of them are criminals with some of them being gangs. They have overrun New York City. We basically have become a country that is invaded. This was all done as a sacrifice to DEI and or the Woke agenda.

I am also shocked that any person voted for Kamala. She comes off as an extremely unintelligent person. She also did not do her job in fixing the borer, either. It just shows you how badly people are unable to read people and understand the qualifications needed to be a good president. Instead, they were infected with the Woke agenda. They wanted a black woman president (DEI) and her qualifications did not really matter. They are not thinking how this can actually hurt America in ways they cannot even imagine.

In schools, they need to have a class to teach kids on how to read people and use basic common sense in a person having to have proper qualifications and not skin color in order to operate a business and or to run a country. We dodged a big bullet this time. Maybe next time we may not be so blessed if we do not help to educate people and show them the truth. Granted, I am not saying Trump and his team is perfect by any means. But they will be far more beneficial for our country if the Left does not sabotage their every move.

Servus · Dec 1, 2024

iluvatar5150 · Jan 22, 2025

Not sure why CF alerted me to a months-old thread, but here we are. Anyways...

stevevw said:
Thats the problem. Disney movies and especialy childrens movies should not be about morality or politics. That is why Disney is going down the drain.

What an odd proposition. I have to wonder if you've ever actually watched any kids' programming, because morality and even politics are staples of the genre. It's arguably the better-quality programming that tends to hew more towards these topics.

Without morality, Sesame Street and Mr Roger's (granted, tv, not movies) would be completely gutted. Disney movies have long featured morality and/or politics (or politically-relevant moral issues) as central themes: Snow White, Bambi, Cinderella, Lady and the Tramp, Robin Hood, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, etc. Those are just the old ones. It's a little silly to say that moviegoers "don't like woke movies" when most (maybe all) of their recent hits (of which there are many) contain many strong moral, often "woke" themes. Moana, Frozen, Brave, Elemental, Zootopia, Cars, Wall-E, Maleficent... those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

My top two favorite TV shows of all time in the past were Alias and Deep Space Nine. Alias had a strong female lead, and DS9 had strong black lead. I was in total acceptance of this. They were great characters and these shows had some of the best storylines around. The point here is that fans can see when an agenda is being pushed and most often natural good storytelling also suffers as a result, as well. The story is sacrificed upon the altar of DEI. There should be no DEI junk.

lol. You're decrying "DEI" and "woke agendas" while claiming DS9 as one of your favorite shows. I've only watched Alias once or twice, so I won't comment on it, but I've watched a lot of Star Trek and I have to wonder how much you were paying attention. The entire franchise, at least before JJ Abrams got ahold of it, was deliberately "woke" to the point that it was ahead of it's time by at least a generation. Kirk and Uhura shared the first scripted on-screen inter-racial kiss merely a year after Loving v Virginia. Commander Data's entire story arc centered around what it means to be human and how the traditional definitions were insufficient. The Prime Directive promotes anti-colonialism, non-interventionism and respect of indigenous peoples. The Federation economy is a post-capitalist utopia were people want for nothing, and capitalist Ferengi are looked on with scorn. Those Ferengi, amusingly, mock earth's nuclear arms race in one episode. Encounter at Farpoint decries exploitation of other life forms and emphasizes civil rights for the legally accused. In DS9, Dax's gender and sexuality were... fluid.

I struggle to think of another franchise as overtly "woke" on so many fronts as Star Trek. Fortunately, most of its formative tv run occurred in a time before there was such a backlash against "wokeism."

I agree that it's not uncommon for people to push their agendas over quality writing, but that's hardly exclusive to the left. That's a big reason why so much evangelical media is so bad.

com7fy8 · Jan 22, 2025

First, what does "DEI" mean? > diversity, equity, inclusion.

Well, Jesus on the cross is inclusive > every person qualifies for the welfare of God's mercy. So, it is a hate crime to say gays do not need the reconciliation and forgiveness of Jesus on the cross: we all do. And it is discrimination to claim that gays can not be changed by God to become and to love like Jesus; God is able to change every one of us out of our self personality stuff.

"'If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.'" (in Luke 9:23)

Jesus includes "anyone" > needs to deny oneself and take up one's cross.

So, the "woke" stuff I am told about is about one's own self being some cause. Well, the unwoke shows I have been seeing have had characters who can be mainly about their own selves and their poor own selves having problems and using violence to solve their problems.

And right from wrong can be decided by who has the majority. Yes, this has been around a while before "woke" came along.

So, perhaps "woke" is a way of bringing in a few different versions of self-seeking which have been less popular.

**If they get "in", they could discover how things really can be for ones already in** >

arguing and fighting to get more than someone else

beauty discrimination giving unequal opportunity to even very imbalanced people

fear of rain, even blaspheming God by calling His blessing "bad" weather

Rain could charge some church people with the hate crime of criticizing a nice fresh rainy day! Hating rain - reaping all their time of being dismal when it rains, when they could enjoy thanking God for caring for us.

What can drive the rain hate and even fear?

preference for pleasure

Unwoke people can be very dictatorial about how we get our pleasure. And a rainy day can cancel that. Indeed, for a long time we have not liked getting cancelled.

Yes, we hear about "merit", in Donald's politics. But in a number of cases outward beauty can be a major part of the "merit" which decides who gets married or a position, in the American culture where beauty can make things unequal.

But God knows each one's character, and He manages for us to get what matters if our character has what matters. Jesus was on the cross, even, and still He got, and was also able to bless us to get, what really matters.

So, the world is busy otherwise, in various ways. So, we are wise to invest our attention well.

Bible Highlighter · Jan 22, 2025

Bible Highlighter said:
My top two favorite TV shows of all time in the past were Alias and Deep Space Nine. Alias had a strong female lead, and DS9 had strong black lead. I was in total acceptance of this. They were great characters and these shows had some of the best storylines around. The point here is that fans can see when an agenda is being pushed and most often natural good storytelling also suffers as a result, as well. The story is sacrificed upon the altar of DEI. There should be no DEI junk.

iluvatar5150 said:
lol. You're decrying "DEI" and "woke agendas" while claiming DS9 as one of your favorite shows. I've only watched Alias once or twice, so I won't comment on it, but I've watched a lot of Star Trek and I have to wonder how much you were paying attention.

I gave up watching Star Trek and popular big budget Hollywood films in October of 2016. So I watched these shows before the woke agenda became a major issue in this country (Which I believe was after the murder of George Floyd and subsequent protests against racial injustice in 2020). While there was always subtle pushes of this agenda before in movies, it was not in full throttle to change established film characters that people already loved into some kind of woke nightmare. There is a difference of changing a minor character, but changing major characters or primarily produce only films that focus on characters that fit the staple Woke agenda alone after people have been complaining about it (because thats all Hollywood is making) is another matter entirely.

iluvatar5150 said:
The entire franchise, at least before JJ Abrams got ahold of it, was deliberately "woke" to the point that it was ahead of it's time by at least a generation. Kirk and Uhura shared the first scripted on-screen inter-racial kiss

There is nothing wrong with their kiss. These were already established characters. I am talking about changing MAJOR established characters (like the new Cap movie), or pushing something in an established franchise (like the last Indiana Jones film). That's pushing an agenda to do that. I read Cap comic books when I was a kid. The character was a Protestant white Christian. That is what the character is and he is a major character. It would be like making Superman a Chinese person with down syndrome just to appeal to the minority or to fit the diversity agenda. It would be silly to do that. Superman has a beloved fan base. Granted, I count these things as dung for Christ now.

iluvatar5150 said:
Commander Data's entire story arc centered around what it means to be human and how the traditional definitions were insufficient.

Yeah, I think Star Trek in part subtly laid the groundwork for the promotion of what later became our woke world today.
At the time, I just thought it was a show and enjoyed it as a kid.

iluvatar5150 said:
The Prime Directive promotes anti-colonialism, non-interventionism and respect of indigenous peoples. The Federation economy is a post-capitalist utopia were people want for nothing, and capitalist Ferengi are looked on with scorn. Those Ferengi, amusingly, mock earth's nuclear arms race in one episode. Encounter at Farpoint decries exploitation of other life forms and emphasizes civil rights for the legally accused.

Yes, looking back, I do see these as problems. I was not able to see them at the time because it was just a fantasy escape with cool starship battles and stories.

iluvatar5150 said:
In DS9, Dax's gender and sexuality were... fluid.

No. The hosts called Jadzia and Ezri were always female. The creature living in her was a genderless worm like alien and its mind carried experiences from previous hosts, which were either male or female. The worm jumped around body to body. In retrospect, I do have problems with this as a Christian now; Especially the episode where Jadzia kissed a female connected to one of her past host lives, which had been male. When I used to watch it, I was more of a worldly Christian that was more focused on what I wanted and not the desires of Christ according to His Word.

iluvatar5150 said:
I struggle to think of another franchise as overtly "woke" on so many fronts as Star Trek. Fortunately, most of its formative tv run occurred in a time before there was such a backlash against "wokeism."

I don't think folks had a problem with these shows because they did not change pre-established popular characters to fit some kind of woke agenda. Again, there is no problem in telling stories that have a black or female lead. The problem is changing pre-established characters and or making changes in the show that clearly is an overt major agenda being pushed. The new presidential administration has just made steps to end the woke agenda to a certain degree. It has become a part of people's jobs and careers even. Target used to sell clothes for kids that was a part of the Woke agenda that the regular average person found offensive. Newly invented pronouns was just silly. But people were fired over that kind of thing. Again, this is the insanity of the woke agenda.

iluvatar5150 said:
I agree that it's not uncommon for people to push their agendas over quality writing, but that's hardly exclusive to the left. That's a big reason why so much evangelical media is so bad.

The difference is that the Leftist agenda in recent years is pretty much the opposite of common sense. So any agenda by the Right that may be a little off, is minor by comparison. Granted, my allegiance is ultimately toward Christ. I am just a pilgrim passing through. But there are many good Christian films that I would recommend. Check out this thread here:

What Christian Movies Do You Find To Be The Most Rewatchable?

Please Read This Before Posting: Please do not mention movies such as Chronicles of Narnia or Lord of the Rings (that promote the sin of witchcraft). Please do not mention any movie that is clearly not obviously Christian. For example: The film called Signs is not a Christian movie even...

www.christianforums.com

stevevw · Jan 23, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
Not sure why CF alerted me to a months-old thread, but here we are. Anyways...

Maybe it related to something else you were dicussing.

iluvatar5150 said:
What an odd proposition. I have to wonder if you've ever actually watched any kids' programming, because morality and even politics are staples of the genre. It's arguably the better-quality programming that tends to hew more towards these topics.

Without morality, Sesame Street and Mr Roger's (granted, tv, not movies) would be completely gutted. Disney movies have long featured morality and/or politics (or politically-relevant moral issues) as central themes: Snow White, Bambi, Cinderella, Lady and the Tramp, Robin Hood, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, etc. Those are just the old ones. It's a little silly to say that moviegoers "don't like woke movies" when most (maybe all) of their recent hits (of which there are many) contain many strong moral, often "woke" themes. Moana, Frozen, Brave, Elemental, Zootopia, Cars, Wall-E, Maleficent... those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Its not that theres no morality but its about how that is implemented. Up until recently morality was a natural part of life and the moral to the story came from real lived experiences. This is often wrapped in a myth or fable so people could remember it.

The important point is that it came natural compared to Woke which is a specific agenda to socially engineer a certain morality into movies and the narrative.

Qite often its the old stories and myths that hold true as theywere wrought from trial and error in life over and over again so that they became archetypal truths about life and how we should treat others.

But progressive ideas don''t like tradition canons of the west like the archetypal truths so they try to reinvent history in their own image rather than Gods.

iluvatar5150 · Jan 23, 2025

stevevw said:
Maybe it related to something else you were dicussing.

Its not that theres no morality but its about how that is implemented. Up until recently morality was a natural part of life and the moral to the story came from real lived experiences. This is often wrapped in a myth or fable so people could remember it.

The important point is that it came natural compared to Woke which is a specific agenda to socially engineer a certain morality into movies and the narrative.

wut?

How is wrapping a moral into "a myth or fable so people could remember it" any different than "socially engineer[ing] a certain morality into... the narrative"?

It's not. It's exactly the same thing. Sure, some examples might be more ham-fisted than others, but that's a difference in the quality of execution, not in intent.

Qite often its the old stories and myths that hold true as theywere wrought from trial and error in life over and over again so that they became archetypal truths about life and how we should treat others.

But progressive ideas don''t like tradition canons of the west like the archetypal truths so they try to reinvent history in their own image rather than Gods.

So the difference, to you, isn't the fact that morals are being presented, but rather in which specific morals or ideas are being presented - i.e., that you're okay with the old ones, but less so the new ones. That, I believe.

RileyG · Jan 23, 2025

Woke culture is demonic! Praise the Lord Trump is putting an end to it!

stevevw · Jan 24, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
wut?

How is wrapping a moral into "a myth or fable so people could remember it" any different than "socially engineer[ing] a certain morality into... the narrative"?

Because one is done naturally. It begins bottom up and then formulates naturally into a moral teachings. They did not stop and make a concerted effort to come up with some ideology that needed to be woven into real life events. In fact the morality that Woke tries to weave goes against reality and thats why its a minority ideology that forced unnaturally onto society.

Quite often because of this concerted effort Woke ideologues push a moral lesson when none was necessary or even needed ie pushing trans ideoilogy on Bud light beer drinkers. Drinking beer had nothing to do with trans. In fact Bud completely misread the real lived experiences of their customers which were mainly younge to middle aged men who has certain beliefs which were not in line with Trans.

The same with Gillette is lecturing to me that they were toxic and needed to be better in the Meme, 'the best a man can give. In stead of just selling razors to me to shave their face regardless of their beliefs. Misreading reality is good evidence for an ideology being pushed and not reality.

iluvatar5150 said:
It's not. It's exactly the same thing. Sure, some examples might be more ham-fisted than others, but that's a difference in the quality of execution, not in intent.

It can't be because the natural morals to stories were a reflection of the vast majority. They did not have to speak or force this into stories and when the stories were told people immediated related because they had experienced the same and could see how this was a reality in life.

What is being forced by Woke or PC like DEI ideology is not accepted by the majority. Its not about the truth principles of equality but how this can natural happen and how society should be ordered to achieve that.

Woke preaches a particular kind of world order that the majority disagree with because they know its not real but engineered to push a specific view of the world, of humans and how society should be ordered.

Its like Marxism for which partly underpins Woke. This was an ideology about how how the world is and then how we should order it. Woke DEI and PC is the same. Basically it sees the world as identity groups where someare evil and others are worthy and the evil ones and their systems (white colonialist, inherently racist and capitalist systems) should be undermined and dismantled if not attacked and destroyed and replacedwith a Woke DEI utopia.

The noble truth pirnciples of equality, justice and fairness are used as a Trojan horse to sneak in the ideology. First into academia then into class rooms, corporations, and institutions and society wide. We have extensive evidence where we can trace this history and social engineering soon after the 1960's sex, civil rights and womens revolutions. What we call Woke today is the culmination of this social engineering.

iluvatar5150 said:
So the difference, to you, isn't the fact that morals are being presented, but rather in which specific morals or ideas are being presented - i.e., that you're okay with the old ones, but less so the new ones. That, I believe.

No the morals always stay the same going right back through history. Justice and equality are truth principles. We have only dicovered them and not created them. No group has exclusive rights to them.

But its the ideology that comes with these moral truths that is the issue at hand. For example everyone believes in equality. But Woke believe in a certain kind of equality that is different to the one we have always believed in society. Which is equality regardless of identity such as race, gender and sex.

But Wokes version is that some deserve more equality than others due to the color of their skin or sex. This is another form of descrimination that the Woke are trying to legitimise. This can be applied to other truths kile justice where there is a diufferent basis for morality than what we have copme to know for all of our history apart from the last 5 minutes of history that Woke has come along.

There are others. For example Woke believe that identity is a reality and therefore trumps biological reality. This is a major fundemental difference between what we have known for all our history that conforms wwith our lived reality and what Woke wants to re=engineer society towards which has moral implications.

iluvatar5150 · Jan 24, 2025

stevevw said:
Because one is done naturally. It begins bottom up and then formulates naturally into a moral teachings. They did not stop and make a concerted effort to come up with some ideology that needed to be woven into real life events.

wut? I don’t think you understand how these things are made. We’re talking about, for the most part, cartoons, where absolutely every single thing about them is a decision that somebody made. Cartoons aren’t assemblages of random b-roll; they’re drawn, deliberately, by people.

On top of that, we’re talking about stories featuring talking birds, enchanted mirrors, fairy godmothers, and magic spells broken with a kiss. There is nothing natural about any of that.

stevevw · Jan 24, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
wut? I don’t think you understand how these things are made. We’re talking about, for the most part, cartoons, where absolutely every single thing about them is a decision that somebody made. Cartoons aren’t assemblages of random b-roll; they’re drawn, deliberately, by people.

I don't mean the production side but rather the story line, how the moral of the story is interwoven. This is based on real life examples that naturally happen and are not engineered deliberately. Its usually the same moral story repeated in different ways.

Its when a new moral code is artifically forced that is Woke. Like where trans was pushed onto Bud drinkers when it had nothing to do with bud drinkers. But rather it was a political message and virtue signalling about pushing trans ideology. Trying to normalise trans. When it was just about beer and that the marketing completely misread their own customers who did not support trans. So it was forced.

The same with Disneys Snow White where they are trying to reinvenjt the classic. Calling it out of date and needing to make Snow White more a feminist and promote womens independence and all that. Talk about ruining a classic that has stood the test of time.

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But thats ok as things seem to correct themselves over time. When you deny reality things become unstable chaos enchews. But then nature has a way of self correcting and the unreality gets exposed such as losing billions of dollars. Nothing like a bottom line loss to sting people back into the real world lol. This is what we are now seeing with the stopping of Trans and DEI across the world.

iluvatar5150 said:
On top of that, we’re talking about stories featuring talking birds, enchanted mirrors, fairy godmothers, and magic spells broken with a kiss. There is nothing natural about any of that.

Thats right. The moral principle is wrapped in make believe and myth because its easier to remember a big flying fire breathing dragon who the brave knight defeated rather than plain old men on horses. The fairy godmothers, talking birds and all that are the vehicles that carry the moral story. Its more fun to remember with these magical wrappings.

Look at Pinocchio. A wooden boy with a wooden heart whose nose grew when he told lies. Its stood the test of time and the moral is not to lie and theres even a bit of Christainity in the coming to life by having a good heart and the love of the father. Many of these stories trace back to biblical truths.

Notice the protagonist is often a snake looking person or creature such as Slither in Harry potter or the Dragon which has the reptilian features. This relates back to the snake as representing satan that needs to watched for and defeated.

Or the common theme of the evil step mother or queen and the pure and innocent being corrupted. Or on the other hand the good fairies which represent the angels. We see the conflict of good and evil. The evil spirits verses the good spirits represented in these make believe charactertours.

Theres often a sacrifice similar to Christ where the hero may have to give his life or someone risks all to save others and beats the odds. Which is why movies like this especially true events are so powerful because they are ingrained in us throughout time based on our observations of real life events.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jan 24, 2025

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