Did Jesus prophesy that Peter would die by crucifixion?

tonychanyt said:

Did Jesus prophesy that Peter would die by crucifixion?

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No.

tonychanyt said:

The phrase "stretch out your hands" referred to crucifixion. It described the posture of someone being bound or nailed to a cross.

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It is true that crucifixion typically entailed the outstretching of one's arms, but it also entailed being stripped of one's clothes, and the soldiers performing the crucifixion taking them as pillage. Roman soldiers were salaried, but they also received compensation from the spoils of battle. This was very common until the institutionalization of formal standing armies and persisted in some countries even up through the first World War. Jesus' mention of Peter outstretching his arms to be dressed would preclude his words from be a specific reference to crucifixion. In addition, tradition has Peter "crucified" upside down. That is technically not crucifixion. Peter would have died much differently than those crucified upright. An entirely different physiology exists when suspended upside down. When hung upside down for a protracted period of time blood pools in the head (that does not happen when hung right-side up) and either a brain hemorrhage or a stroke is induced. Like upright crucifixion, this can lead to heart failure, but the upside-down victim was dead before the heart fails. Peter's crucifixion was atypical. Jesus was most likely speaking to the mercurial nature of Peter's character. Peter's life was characterized by flightiness, double-mindedness, and behaviors that changed suddenly. The exact same man who stood in the boat and asked Jesus to leave is the same man who professed Jesus ans Gd's anointed one ahead of everyone else. The same uy who stepped out onto the water is the same guy who denied Jesus thrice. He;s also the same guy who behaved hypocritically, treating Jewish converts and Gentile converts differently, thereby setting a bad example for both and requiring Paul's admonition and correction. This is the same Peter who later commended Paul's letters and compared them to "the rest of the scriptures." That man of whim (so to speak) would be controlled in the end. And before all his volitional agency was stripped of him, he would be required one last time to profess Christ on the penalty of his demise.

Let's also not forget Jesus' crucifixion was atypical. Folks usually hung on the pole or cross for days and they died of exposure or suffocation, not a brain hemorrhage. Victims crucified in Israel during a sabbath period also had their legs broken, which would hasten their death because they could not use their legs to push themselves up to catch a breath. Jesus was dead before they went out to break his companions' legs. Jesus' death was hastened by the burden of sin, the preceding torture, and the grace of God.


In addition, many Christians were crucified during the reign of Nero, but many of them were also burned alive while on the cross (or pole). They were covered in pitch (which would otherwise have caused suffocation) while alive and lit on fire. I know that has nothing to do with John 21, but it's worth knowing. Rome was not a fan of the gospel that declared a Jew had done something no Caesar could do: defeat death and return from it.

Josheb said:

Jesus' death was hastened by the burden of sin, the preceding torture, and the grace of God.

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I don't see this anywhere in Scripture, in Reality, in Truth, ......
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Jesus breathed His Last at the appointed time, willingly giving up His Life that no one could take.

tonychanyt said:

hindsight

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and revelation.

Aaron112 said:

I don't see this anywhere in Scripture, in Reality, in Truth, ......
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Jesus breathed His Last at the appointed time, willingly giving up His Life that no one could take.

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Jesus breathing his last at the appointed time is not contradictory to his death being hastened by torture, the burden of sin, or his Father. It is a miracle he survived the scourging. Many did not survive that kind of beating and torture. He survived because he destined to die on Calvary. No one could survive the burden of all humanity's sin placed upon them. There is one Who could take the Son's life.

Isaiah 53:9-10
His grave was assigned with wicked men, yet he was with a rich man in his death, because he had done no violence, nor was there any deceit in his mouth. But the LORD was pleased to crush him, putting him to grief; if he would render himself as a guilt offering, he will see his offspring, he will prolong his days, and the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.

Take care not to unwittingly assert false dichotomies. A person could succumb to death during crucifixion within hours, but that was atypical. It normally took days. That is one of the reasons it was used. A living, tortured person could be put on display for days as a deterrent to others who might otherwise contemplate disobedience or lawlessness. The two men adjoining Jesus were still alive and probably would have lived for days but because it was a Sabbath week the Jewish leaders asked the Romans to remove the bodies so as not to desecrate the holy days. The Romans did not immediately obey. What they did do was break the legs of the surviving criminals. Jesus, however, did not need his legs broken because he was already dead. To verify his death a Roman soldier stuck him through the side of the chest. He was already dead. Both his death and the timing thereof were providential. His early death did not occur apart from God's design and purpose. The two are not mutually exclusive.

No one took Jesus' Life.
He laid His Life down willingly for those He was sent to save from their sin.