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Public broadcaster PBS shared the clip on social media and reported it as “what appeared to be a fascist salute.”

Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a history professor at New York University who self-identified as a “historian of fascism,” posted on Bluesky: “It was a Nazi salute and a very belligerent one too.” Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported the gesture as a “Roman salute,” and said it will “only cause greater alarm among Jews who have expressed concern with the billionaire’s proximity to Trump’s inner circle while platforming views prominent with [the] far-right.”

Rolling Stone magazine reported that neo-Nazis and right-wing extremists in America and abroad were “abuzz” after the gesture

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), an organization whose mission is to combat antisemitism and which describes a “Hitler salute” as one with an “outstretched right arm with the palm down,” posted on X shortly after the incident that the billionaire Trump mega-donor “made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute,” and that “all sides should give one another a bit of grace, perhaps even the benefit of the doubt, and take a breath.”

Staunch Trump supporter Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), meanwhile, threatened PBS by saying she would call it to testify before the oversight subcommittee she chairs that is set to work with the newly-formed Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), which Musk oversees. “I look forward to PBS @NewsHour coming before my committee and explaining why lying and spreading propaganda to serve the Democrat party and attack Republicans is a good use of taxpayer funds,” Greene posted.
 
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Public broadcaster PBS shared the clip on social media and reported it as “what appeared to be a fascist salute.”

Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a history professor at New York University who self-identified as a “historian of fascism,” posted on Bluesky: “It was a Nazi salute and a very belligerent one too.” Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported the gesture as a “Roman salute,” and said it will “only cause greater alarm among Jews who have expressed concern with the billionaire’s proximity to Trump’s inner circle while platforming views prominent with [the] far-right.”

Rolling Stone magazine reported that neo-Nazis and right-wing extremists in America and abroad were “abuzz” after the gesture

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), an organization whose mission is to combat antisemitism and which describes a “Hitler salute” as one with an “outstretched right arm with the palm down,” posted on X shortly after the incident that the billionaire Trump mega-donor “made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute,” and that “all sides should give one another a bit of grace, perhaps even the benefit of the doubt, and take a breath.”

Staunch Trump supporter Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), meanwhile, threatened PBS by saying she would call it to testify before the oversight subcommittee she chairs that is set to work with the newly-formed Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), which Musk oversees. “I look forward to PBS @NewsHour coming before my committee and explaining why lying and spreading propaganda to serve the Democrat party and attack Republicans is a good use of taxpayer funds,” Greene posted.
See you again in nine years!!

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This thread is from 2016. It was recently bumped up
Maybe the bump was to highlight a longstanding pattern of tolerance for questionable “salutes”?
 
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Yes, she has a face fit for radio. It gets messy seeing all of the spittle flying as she rants. I heard that the gayness runs in her family and she is personally importing foreigners.... LOL
Funny thing is that it is President Trump and his First Buddy, Co-President Musk, who are importing foreigners - Mar-a-Lago can't find American waiters, maître d's, housekeepers while Elon and Vivek want to import programmers, engineers and tech from other, more affordable places.

What kind of "salute" did Elon give there? Looks suss to me....but not to others. Well, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm keeping an eye on this....



The Anti-Defamation League, which tracks antisemitism, disagreed.
"It seems that @elonmusk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute, but again, we appreciate that people are on edge," it posted on Monday.

Twice. He somehow slipped into this particular salute, by accident, twice in a row, on the same stage. I guess, these things happen...
 
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Meh. Let's not fly off the handle at the slightest provocation. Otherwise we run the risk of being dismissed for being over reactionary.
We'll be dismissed for that, this and the other thing no matter what.

Honestly, when you combine this ...weird salute, weird and unnecessary... with his support of far right German parties and that extra special MAGA hat, I can't help a little "hmmm". Maybe a hmmm, meh. I would prefer "it" not to be true, but I am reserving judgement.

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Yeah, I would prefer to be wrong about this.
 
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(Also, how does, "Woohoo! Trump's ushering in a new Roman Empire!" go over with the crowd here?)
Faith can be molded to suit the requirements of its new master: politics.
 
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We'll be dismissed for that, this and the other thing no matter what.

Honestly, when you combine this ...weird salute, weird and unnecessary... with his support of far right German parties and that extra special MAGA hat, I can't help a little "hmmm". Maybe a hmmm, meh. I would prefer "it" not to be true, but I am reserving judgement.

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Yeah, I would prefer to be wrong about this.

The AfD is hardly far right.
 
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