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Biden goes back on his word.

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No one should expect sources who attack someone 24/7 with ridiculous claims and accusations, to provide reliable information about that person.
Which of the claims made in my post were ridiculous, exactly? I provided documentation, videos and everything.

-- A2SG, unless it's ridiculous to provide video of Trump saying what he said....
 
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Actually technically neither are convicted felons! No sentence has been entered in either case.
They were both convicted, and, at least in Trump's case, still awaiting sentencing. The guilty verdicts were already handed down.

I know it is a popular talking point of the left but totally inaccurate legally. The jury verdict and confession do not legally make one a convicted felon. Sorry to disappoint.
A convicted felon is still a convicted felon, even if the sentence is suspended. Or in Trump's case, postponed.

Trump remains guilty as charged.

-- A2SG, and he can't pardon himself of these charges....
 
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Biden is not being hypocritical here. He's being corrupt.
My tradition teaches that we ought to make the best rational judgment of another's character. The best I can rationally muster is that Biden is an amoral man.

As to the pardon, Hunter Biden was about to be sentenced for his crimes. Sometimes, just before sentencing, the prosecution offers a plea deal. Hunter is small fry. Hunter, could have told Joe that he was about to give the "Big Guy" up to stay out of jail, unless ...
 
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Well, to be fair, I can think of one convicted felon who isn't.

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Who is this convicted felon you refer to? If you mean DJT then you are mistaken; he is not a convicted felon as he has not yet been sentenced.
 
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Trump remains guilty as charged.
Nope. (Intentionally?) the judge has postponed sentencing in order to block DJT from appealing his conviction. So, he is not a convicted felon.
 
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...there's no doubt Hunter was prosecuted because his last name was Biden.
...there's also no doubt that Trump would continue to pursue Hunter in his next term, hence the broad, pre-emptive nature of Biden's pardon.
...and I suspect as a father, Biden could not bear to watch this play out over the next few years, knowing he had the power to protect his son.

Then he should have said, "I'm pardoning my son because as his father, I have the power to protect him from the consequences of his actions" instead of making up some nonsense about how his convictions were politically motivated. He'd still be corrupt for doing so, but at least he wouldn't have impugned the justice system in the process.

However, President Biden knew of all this when declared that he would not pardon Hunter during the campaign. That was a mistake.

It was not a "mistake". It was a "lie". A bald-faced lie.

 
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Who is this convicted felon you refer to? If you mean DJT then you are mistaken; he is not a convicted felon as he has not yet been sentenced.
Donald Trump was found guilty of a felony,

That's what "convicted felon" means. He is one.
 
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My tradition teaches that we ought to make the best rational judgment of another's character. The best I can rationally muster is that Biden is an amoral man......
Whos the last morally sound president we had, in your opinion?
 
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Donald Trump was found guilty of a felony,

That's what "convicted felon" means. He is one.

This is true.

But if all the charges are dismissed, or if he is granted an appeal and wins, he would no longer be a convicted felon. I suspect this is a nightmare scenario for the Democrats, who have gleefully latched on to this "convicted felon" thing.
 
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This is true.

But if all the charges are dismissed, or if he is granted an appeal and wins, he would no longer be a convicted felon. I suspect this is a nightmare scenario for the Democrats, who have gleefully latched on to this "convicted felon" thing.
I dont think it matters so much now that hes secured his last term in office. Ds have a lot more to worry about besides that.

For myself, I cant stand Trump, but Im pretty sure I never call him "convicted felon" Trump. Its just not an important or necessary part of my critique of him. There's so much more to talk about.
 
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Who is this convicted felon you refer to? If you mean DJT then you are mistaken; he is not a convicted felon as he has not yet been sentenced.
He was found guilty. That's what convicted means. Sentencing usually follows the conviction, but in Trump's case, has been postponed.

But he's still guilty as charged.

Nope. (Intentionally?) the judge has postponed sentencing in order to block DJT from appealing his conviction. So, he is not a convicted felon.
Yeah, he is. He just hasn't been sentenced yet.

-- A2SG, that will come....
 
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This is true.

But if all the charges are dismissed, or if he is granted an appeal and wins, he would no longer be a convicted felon. I suspect this is a nightmare scenario for the Democrats, who have gleefully latched on to this "convicted felon" thing.
The charges can't be dismissed, he's been found guilty. A reversal upon repeal is, I suppose, possible, but from all accounts, unlikely. I've yet to hear of any actual procedural or legal errors in the case that would warrant that.

-- A2SG, even a suspended sentence doesn't mean he wasn't convicted....
 
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The charges can't be dismissed, he's been found guilty.

Merchan granted Trump’s request to file a motion to dismiss the case, ordering his legal team to submit their papers by December 2, and prosecutors have a week to respond. Trump’s team wanted to have until December 20 to file their paperwork.
A reversal upon repeal is, I suppose, possible, but from all accounts, unlikely. I've yet to hear of any actual procedural or legal errors in the case that would warrant that.

IANAL, but here are some various opinions from legal experts on what Merchan might do with this case.

 
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I dont think it matters so much now that hes secured his last term in office. Ds have a lot more to worry about besides that.

I think it will make Ds very sad if they can no longer call him "Convicted Felon Trump".

For myself, I cant stand Trump, but Im pretty sure I never call him "convicted felon" Trump. Its just not an important or necessary part of my critique of him. There's so much more to talk about.

I am no longer a registered Republican because of the party's embrace of Trump. I changed my voter registration to Independent when they nominated Trump as their candidate in 2016. It was my way of disavowing and distancing myself from the nuttiness.
 
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Merchan granted Trump’s request to file a motion to dismiss the case, ordering his legal team to submit their papers by December 2, and prosecutors have a week to respond. Trump’s team wanted to have until December 20 to file their paperwork.
Granting the request to file a motion doesn't mean the motion will be granted.

Neither am I.

but here are some various opinions from legal experts on what Merchan might do with this case.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.

-- A2SG, but Judge Merchan's is the only one that matters....
 
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I think it will make Ds very sad if they can no longer call him "Convicted Felon Trump".
Could be. For sure there's a lot of fun to be had in the "other side" being sad these days. Not saying that's your motivation. But its been unmistakable elsewhere here.
 
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Would you be “charitable “ if it were Trump? I think not!
I've been charitable towards him and his lies; his criminal activity, not so much.
 
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I think it will make Ds very sad if they can no longer call him "Convicted Felon Trump".
But he is a convicted felon as well as an adjudicated and self-admitted sexual abuser. He got his due process and then some.
 
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Merchan granted Trump’s request to file a motion to dismiss the case, ordering his legal team to submit their papers by December 2, and prosecutors have a week to respond. Trump’s team wanted to have until December 20 to file their paperwork.
That is just poor lawyering. The case can't be dismissed as the defendant has already been tried and found guilty; it's no longer a Grand Jury indictment or a prosecution, it's a conviction.

They can file a motion to have the sentence vacated on some equitable grounds in the interests of justice, although it's hard to see what such grounds would be, and the motion they filed makes no such claims.
 
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