Did you know Wednesday is yet another transgender holiday? Check it out.

RileyG · Nov 25, 2024

rambot said:
For those who think trans people are mentally ill, why do you think the BEST course of treatment is to yell at them until they become nontrans anymore?

Is it helpful to tell them they are wrong and not trans?
That hasn't seem to do very much.

I wonder if maybe you should take the alzheimer's/demetia route and treat them gently with patience and kindness.

If you are willing to do it with SOME people who have mental health issues, why not ALL people who have mental health issues?

No yelling necessary, they can certainly live as they want. The best approach would be talk therapy and radical acceptance, but I’m not a clinical psychologist.

And yes, everyone should be treated with kindness and compassion.

Furthermore, AS A CHRISTIAN, I cannot accept men can become women or vice versa because I see that action as seriously sinful, and I cannot condone sin lest I put my own salvation in jeopardy.

Blessings

RileyG · Nov 25, 2024

essentialsaltes said:
Happy Alascattalo Day to those who celebrate!

Obviously, every day is labeled with a dozen made-up holidays.

I mean this is Kitchen Sink, so I take it there's some levity involved, but this preoccupation reminds me of...
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Lol. There is no hate. That’s not how that works.

Hammster · Nov 26, 2024

rambot said:
For those who think trans people are mentally ill, why do you think the BEST course of treatment is to yell at them until they become nontrans anymore?

Is it helpful to tell them they are wrong and not trans?
That hasn't seem to do very much.

I wonder if maybe you should take the alzheimer's/demetia route and treat them gently with patience and kindness.

If you are willing to do it with SOME people who have mental health issues, why not ALL people who have mental health issues?

I don’t think they are mentally ill. I think they are in sin.

Servus · Nov 26, 2024

This just in: Wednesday is now identifying as Friday.

rambot · Nov 26, 2024

ozso said:
This just in: Wednesday is now identifying as Friday.

During teacher's convention week, that is 100% appropriate!

linux.poet · Nov 27, 2024

rambot said:
For those who think trans people are mentally ill, why do you think the BEST course of treatment is to yell at them until they become nontrans anymore?

Is it helpful to tell them they are wrong and not trans?
That hasn't seem to do very much.

I wonder if maybe you should take the alzheimer's/demetia route and treat them gently with patience and kindness.

If you are willing to do it with SOME people who have mental health issues, why not ALL people who have mental health issues?

I believe that all mental illnesses need to be treated with a mixture of kindness and discipline. This is true of all mental illnesses, even trauma, though with trauma you do have to allow more time and be patient with yourself because your mind is broken and you have to process that. Your mind won’t heal overnight. In the case of trauma, you must have the discipline to not give up and to keep processing all the way to the end, and also not give up on your life. I graduated from college anyway. I play chess anyway.

You also cannot allow the traumatic person to hurt others and go off the rails - they have to stop hurting others and viewing everyone else as out to get them.

With transgender, the discipline is more obvious. No cross-gender clothes, no name changes, no hormones, no surgeries. Child Protection Services get off my property, I demand a lawyer. Once the trans people go down the road of self-destruction, Satan has them in his grip of his solution to their problem and you’ll be struggling against the ease of his appeal. Too hard. Once the road to hell has been caught off, you can have a frank conversation with your child, a kind heart to heart about how they are feeling in the body God gave them and what can be done to make them feel more comfortable in their own skin.

Because frankly, aside from homeschooling your kids or sending them to Christian school, the best antidote to this virus is to make your child feel like their biological sex isn’t going to limit them. Our society likes to categorize people based on their bodies in unhealthy ways. A healthy household will say that women can climb trees and do science and men can write novels and knit if they want (my brother learned how to knit, he’s fine) and you don’t have to change your body to be yourself. This was something I fiercely believed from childhood and that belief served me well. You adapt the activity to your body, not the other way around. This affirmation of the child’s interests is the kindness part, and also the TLC when they feel out of their skin.

But you must have the discipline to keep the poison out. Otherwise, no amount of kindness will help. That just rewards them for their self-harming and digs them into a deeper hole.

RileyG · Nov 27, 2024

ozso said:
This just in: Wednesday is now identifying as Friday.

Does that mean I get to work only four days in a row instead of six?

RileyG · Nov 27, 2024

linux.poet said:
I believe that all mental illnesses need to be treated with a mixture of kindness and discipline. This is true of all mental illnesses, even trauma, though with trauma you do have to allow more time and be patient with yourself because your mind is broken and you have to process that. Your mind won’t heal overnight. In the case of trauma, you must have the discipline to not give up and to keep processing all the way to the end, and also not give up on your life. I graduated from college anyway. I play chess anyway.

You also cannot allow the traumatic person to hurt others and go off the rails - they have to stop hurting others and viewing everyone else as out to get them.

With transgender, the discipline is more obvious. No cross-gender clothes, no name changes, no hormones, no surgeries. Child Protection Services get off my property, I demand a lawyer. Once the trans people go down the road of self-destruction, Satan has them in his grip of his solution to their problem and you’ll be struggling against the ease of his appeal. Too hard. Once the road to hell has been caught off, you can have a frank conversation with your child, a kind heart to heart about how they are feeling in the body God gave them and what can be done to make them feel more comfortable in their own skin.

Because frankly, aside from homeschooling your kids or sending them to Christian school, the best antidote to this virus is to make your child feel like their biological sex isn’t going to limit them. Our society likes to categorize people based on their bodies in unhealthy ways. A healthy household will say that women can climb trees and do science and men can write novels and knit if they want (my brother learned how to knit, he’s fine) and you don’t have to change your body to be yourself. This was something I fiercely believed from childhood and that belief served me well. You adapt the activity to your body, not the other way around. This affirmation of the child’s interests is the kindness part, and also the TLC when they feel out of their skin.

But you must have the discipline to keep the poison out. Otherwise, no amount of kindness will help. That just rewards them for their self-harming and digs them into a deeper hole.

Very well said! I wish I was as articulate as you!

rambot · Nov 27, 2024

linux.poet said:
I believe that all mental illnesses need to be treated with a mixture of kindness and discipline. This is true of all mental illnesses, even trauma, though with trauma you do have to allow more time and be patient with yourself because your mind is broken and you have to process that. Your mind won’t heal overnight. In the case of trauma, you must have the discipline to not give up and to keep processing all the way to the end, and also not give up on your life. I graduated from college anyway. I play chess anyway.

Not a lot of people can do that unsupported and mental health supports are expensive. I agree with this for sure.

linux.poet said:
You also cannot allow the traumatic person to hurt others and go off the rails - they have to stop hurting others and viewing everyone else as out to get them.

Do you mean the traumatized person or the person inflicting trauma? I think the former.

linux.poet said:
With transgender, the discipline is more obvious. No cross-gender clothes, no name changes, no hormones, no surgeries. Child Protection Services get off my property, I demand a lawyer. Once the trans people go down the road of self-destruction, Satan has them in his grip of his solution to their problem and you’ll be struggling against the ease of his appeal. Too hard. Once the road to hell has been caught off, you can have a frank conversation with your child, a kind heart to heart about how they are feeling in the body God gave them and what can be done to make them feel more comfortable in their own skin.

It's just that health professionals in gender clinics have an 80%-90% success rate in having kids retun to thwir biological gender.

And this method......is not as successful.

linux.poet said:
Because frankly, aside from homeschooling your kids or sending them to Christian school, the best antidote to this virus is to make your child feel like their biological sex isn’t going to limit them. Our society likes to categorize people based on their bodies in unhealthy ways. A healthy household will say that women can climb trees and do science and men can write novels and knit if they want (my brother learned how to knit, he’s fine) and you don’t have to change your body to be yourself. This was something I fiercely believed from childhood and that belief served me well. You adapt the activity to your body, not the other way around. This affirmation of the child’s interests is the kindness part, and also the TLC when they feel out of their skin.

i like this "idea" but the capacity of their gender wasnt really something my two transgender friend/acquaintances listed as a reason they felt another gender.

linux.poet · Nov 27, 2024

rambot said:
Do you mean the traumatized person or the person inflicting trauma? I think the former.

I meant the traumatized person. Parental abuse victim trauma victims tend to “act out” because they want to return to their environment of abuse and think that creating strife and conflict is the way to do it. They also attack people for not understanding how their mind works or what they have been through. It’s a common phenomenon with foster children. This is a part of how the cycle of abuse repeats itself.

I’m saying this as an abuse survivor myself who has successfully measured the patterns in my parents and other friends who have survived abuse and trauma. I’m still renegotiating my relationship with the world after 31 years in it.

rambot said:
It's just that health professionals in gender clinics have an 80%-90% success rate in having kids retun to thwir biological gender.

And this method......is not as successful.

And what is their method? Source please.

I see that you’re approaching this as a clinician, I’m approaching this more as a parent role. The “you will grow out of these feelings, so don’t act on them” might work if they are 5, but we’re dealing with teens adopting this here.

rambot said:
i like this "idea" but the capacity of their gender wasnt really something my two transgender friend/acquaintances listed as a reason they felt another gender.

Transgenderism can be adopted for any variety of reasons - I read To my trans sisters and the reasons why they ended up there are as broad as the sun.

The transgender friend I talked to extensively was an abuse victim (no surprise there lol) who had suffered consistent anti-male rhetoric and beatings growing up while his sisters got off scot free with no abuse. This led to him changing his gender to basically protect himself and try to get some joy in a really terrible life. This led me to think about my own life and conclude that an inner ability affirmation was why I wasn’t tempted to go down the trans path even though my brother got off scot free from the abuse with me being a target. If it shielded me from the path, it might work for others, but maybe I’m wrong.

rambot · Nov 27, 2024

linux.poet said:
I meant the traumatized person. Parental abuse victim trauma victims tend to “act out” because they want to return to their environment of abuse and think that creating strife and conflict is the way to do it.

Hm. That was not my experience. I definitely experienced violent trauma as a child but not as much (my issues were more with emotional neglect). But I've worked with parental abuse victims for quite a while (including in a youth treatment centre). It was my experience that the quite a few of those kids didn't want to return to their abusive parent. Their acting out were patterns of behaviour that became imprinted on them. The few of the kids who DID want to return to their abusive parent did so because those parents were quite negligent with their supervision and rules and that allowed those kids to have a LOT of freedom to do what they want. In the treatment centre, with our structure, nurturing support, those kids did not like it; they saw it as repressive as opposed to nurturing.

linux.poet said:
They also attack people for not understanding how their mind works or what they have been through. It’s a common phenomenon with foster children. This is a part of how the cycle of abuse repeats itself.

Sure. Behaviours we learn from our caregivers are always passed on. For myself, I swore to myself I would never ever EVER raise a hand to my child. And I haven't and won't. I also said I'd be emotionally there for my kids. And I am. BUT, I also see that, like my parents, I could really spend a bit more time in ACTIVE play with my kids (my parents NEVER did anything with me).

It's interesting how subconscious it all is.

I have a feeling that the trauma experienced by american soldiers in WWII is being passed down to other generations still....with each generation (hopefully) taking steps to repair.

linux.poet said:
I’m saying this as an abuse survivor myself who has successfully measured the patterns in my parents and other friends who have survived abuse and trauma. I’m still renegotiating my relationship with the world after 31 years in it.

I'm happy you're around and glad to see you are constantly healing. That's wonderful!

linux.poet said:
And what is their method? Source please.

I have a friend who works at the clinic. I am 99% sure they follow WPATH. I found this INCREDIBLE study a couple years ago that I still kick myself about not saving that clearly showed certain types of trauma can lead to children choosing to (or feeling compelled to) become transgender.

linux.poet said:
The transgender friend I talked to extensively was an abuse victim (no surprise there lol) who had suffered consistent anti-male rhetoric and beatings growing up while his sisters got off scot free with no abuse. This led to him changing his gender to basically protect himself and try to get some joy in a really terrible life. This led me to think about my own life and conclude that an inner ability affirmation was why I wasn’t tempted to go down the trans path even though my brother got off scot free from the abuse with me being a target. If it shielded me from the path, it might work for others, but maybe I’m wrong.

There is a student in my class right now and this almost exactly his thing. He seems to be using this identity has a way of reaching out to connect with his mom and make friends in class in an incredibly misguided way. The whole thing is a complete tragedy, IMHO.

The other very interesting correlation is transgenderism and autism spectrum (3-6x greater)

linux.poet · Nov 27, 2024

rambot said:
The other very interesting correlation is transgenderism and autism spectrum (3-6x greater)

That makes sense to me, since autism spectrum tends to lead to bodily discomfort in reaction to sensory stimuli. If you’re suffering from bodily discomfort in relation to the world and people already, trying to change your body to try and relieve that discomfort would be easier for them to arrive at.

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