Kamala Harris mocks Trump call for mass deportation of illegal immigrants

lismore · Nov 23, 2024

It's a sad sign of the times when Governments make it more difficult for people to move to a country legally, but throw down the red carpet to illegal immigrants.

In the UK hard working legal migrants (of whom I know many) are subjected to a torturous process. On the other hand Illegal migrants are given a room in what can be a five star hotel and a weekly allowance on the taxpayer. Illegals are now 1% of the UK population, an unsustainable number.

expos4ever · Nov 23, 2024

Prescience (noun): the fact of knowing something before it takes place; foreknowledge

I added the bolding:

"My friends, we are on the way to becoming a two-tiered society composed of a few winners and a larger group of Americans left behind, whose anger and disillusionment are easily manipulated. Once unbottled, mass resentment can poison the very fabric of society, the moral integrity of society, replacing ambition with envy, replacing tolerance with hate. Today the targets of that rage are immigrants and welfare mothers and government officials and gays, and an ill-defined counterculture. But as the middle class continues to erode, who will be the targets tomorrow?” (Robert Reich, 1994)

wing2000 · Nov 24, 2024

RDKirk said:
Honestly, at this point I would not expect Trump or any president-elect to know exactly how any campaign promise will be carried out. The president-elect can't really know that until in office with full means to research its feasibility. And Harris doesn't fully know either, if the Biden administration hasn't had that particular study done.

"Trump has yet to address how he would do it nor the implications."

I get agree with your point. However, at a high level, voters should ask how the federal government would go about deporting 10-12 million people.

Would it be similar to "Operation Wetback"....as Trump as previously stated?
Woud the National Guard and local police agencies be used as Steven Miller has stated?
What would be the implications on our economy? Labor is already in short supply in labor intesive industries such as construction.

wing2000 · Nov 24, 2024

From Texas:

"It would devastate our industry, we wouldn't finish our highways, we wouldn't finish our schools," said Stan Marek, CEO of Marek, a Houston-based commercial and residential construction giant. "Housing would disappear. I think they'd lose half their labor."
....
That Texas relies on undocumented labor is one of the state's open secrets, despite Republicans' tough-on-immigration stances.

In 2022, more than a half million immigrants worked in the construction industry, according to a report by the American Immigration Council and Texans for Economic Growth. Nearly 60% of that workforce was undocumented.

"The state needs to leverage both U.S.-born and immigrant talent to fill construction jobs that power the Texas economy," the report notes.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/23/g-s1-35465/trump-deportation-migrants-immigrants-texas-construction-industry-border-security

HARK! · Nov 24, 2024

wing2000 said:
Stan Marek

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I suppose that he does however have an interest in keeping his labor costs down. Personally I don't think that promoting illegal labor is the answer. I imagine that his construction business would slow, if there was a surplus of housing due to the criminals being shipped back home.

"This country has always been one of compromises: the Senate would work good, but Republicans and Democrats would work for compromise."

Stan Marek czechcenter.org — Czech Center Museum Houston

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When a Texan starts talking about Republicans compromising to Democrats; it usually means that he's a Democrat.

I support Greg Abbot's position on this issue. He actually holds office in Texas.

rjs330 · Nov 24, 2024

wing2000 said:
"Trump has yet to address how he would do it nor the implications."

I get agree with your point. However, at a high level, voters should ask how the federal government would go about deporting 10-12 million people.

Would it be similar to "Operation Wetback"....as Trump as previously stated?
Woud the National Guard and local police agencies be used as Steven Miller has stated?
What would be the implications on our economy? Labor is already in short supply in labor intesive industries such as construction.

I thought we've already done it. Didn't Clinton do it?

I know Clinton didn't round them all up, but there were millions who voluntarily left due to rhe face t rhey were going to be deported.

DHS defines a “return” as “the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States not based on an order of removal.” In other words, a return occurs when an apprehended immigrant leaves the U.S. voluntarily before being ordered to do so through a formal removal proceeding.

“Generally, aliens waive their right to a hearing, remain in custody, and, if applicable, agree to depart the United States under supervision,” the DHS says of returns.

There were more than 11.4 million returns during the fiscal years that fell mostly under Clinton.

I don't think this time will be any different. Of course some will refuse but I am guessing millions will leave as a return instead of a deportation order and being picked up.

rjs330 · Nov 24, 2024

wing2000 said:
From Texas:

"It would devastate our industry, we wouldn't finish our highways, we wouldn't finish our schools," said Stan Marek, CEO of Marek, a Houston-based commercial and residential construction giant. "Housing would disappear. I think they'd lose half their labor."
....
That Texas relies on undocumented labor is one of the state's open secrets, despite Republicans' tough-on-immigration stances.

In 2022, more than a half million immigrants worked in the construction industry, according to a report by the American Immigration Council and Texans for Economic Growth. Nearly 60% of that workforce was undocumented.

"The state needs to leverage both U.S.-born and immigrant talent to fill construction jobs that power the Texas economy," the report notes.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/23/g-s1-35465/trump-deportation-migrants-immigrants-texas-construction-industry-border-security

If he is admitting breaking rhe law, he and his company should be charged criminally.

RDKirk · Nov 24, 2024

wing2000 said:
"Trump has yet to address how he would do it nor the implications."

I get agree with your point. However, at a high level, voters should ask how the federal government would go about deporting 10-12 million people.

Would it be similar to "Operation Wetback"....as Trump as previously stated?
Woud the National Guard and local police agencies be used as Steven Miller has stated?
What would be the implications on our economy? Labor is already in short supply in labor intesive industries such as construction.

We will have to sit back and wait to see what is proposed...then discuss the feasibility. After a genuine study group has had a real opportunity to study the problem with a real requirement to produce a feasible proposal, we might even see the scope severely restricted.

wing2000 · Nov 24, 2024

rjs330 said:
If he is admitting breaking rhe law, he and his company should be charged criminally.

He has a lot of compay.

That Texas relies on undocumented labor is one of the state's open secrets, despite Republicans' tough-on-immigration stances.

In 2022, more than a half million immigrants worked in the construction industry, according to a report by the American Immigration Council and Texans for Economic Growth. Nearly 60% of that workforce was undocumented.

BCP1928 · Nov 24, 2024

RDKirk said:
We will have to sit back and wait to see what is proposed...then discuss the feasibility. After a genuine study group has had a real opportunity to study the problem with a real requirement to produce a feasible proposal, we might even see the scope severely restricted.

There will have to be some kind of a show for the "base." Most of the swing vote that elected Trump on the issue just want the immigrants gone, eventually and efficiently. But the "base" wants revenge as much as they want the immigrants gone so there will have to be a certain amount of kicking in doors and hauling crying women and children away in trucks, a few men gunned down trying g to escape. The American people in general won't stand for much of that kind of cruelty but there has to be some if Trump wants to keep his base behind him. There is the 2026 election to think of after all.

wing2000 · Nov 25, 2024

Farm lobby is asking Trump to exempt their workers from deportation:
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Nearly half of the nation's approximately 2 million farm workers lack legal status, according to the departments of Labor and Agriculture, as well as many dairy and meatpacking workers.

Who will step up to replace these workers?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-farm-groups-want-trump-spare-their-workers-deportation-2024-11-25/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=Daily-Briefing&utm_term=112524&lctg=62347fe4ea3e6439186f0ea6

HARK! · Nov 25, 2024

wing2000 said:
Who will step up to replace these workers?

They can come back legally, if they voluntarily leave before they are arrested. Otherwise they'll have to wait 20 years. It's the law!

wing2000 · Nov 26, 2024

HARK! said:
They can come back legally, if they voluntarily leave before they are arrested. Otherwise they'll have to wait 20 years. It's the law!

Okay, but in the interim 20 years, who is going to replace them? You?

HARK! · Nov 26, 2024

wing2000 said:
Okay, but in the interim 20 years, who is going to replace them? You?

I can't replace them. I'm here legally; and I already farm food.

Some other people who are here legally will have to do it. How about you?

HARK! · Nov 26, 2024

wing2000 · Nov 26, 2024

HARK! said:
I can't replace them. I'm here legally; and I already farm food.

Some other people who are here legally will have to do it. How about you?

...not I. If food becomes too expensive here, I'll just move to Mexico : )

HARK! · Nov 26, 2024

wing2000 said:
...not I. If food becomes too expensive here, I'll just move to Mexico : )

Food is exchanged on the world market, just like other commodities. I've found the food prices in Mexico to be comparable to US food prices. What is less expensive there is the cost of labor.

I looked deep into this subject; as I was considering starting a business importing food from Mexico for resale in the US. It didn't take long for me to abandon that ambition.

wing2000 · Nov 27, 2024

HARK! said:
Food is exchanged on the world market, just like other commodities. I've found the food prices in Mexico to be comparable to US food prices. What is less expensive there is the cost of labor.

I looked deep into this subject; as I was considering starting a business importing food from Mexico for resale in the US. It didn't take long for me to abandon that ambition.

Are you referring to the wholesale price of food?

There's a reason why over half of our vegetables come from Mexico....and a good portion of the remainder from the Imperial Valley where over half the workers are undocumented.

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