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Homan warns those who harbor illegals
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AI Overview:
According to available data, approximately 75% of vegetables and melons in the US are harvested by machines, with around 55% of fruit production also being mechanically harvested.
According to recent data, the US imports approximately 60% of its fresh fruit and 40% of its fresh vegetables.
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AI Overview isn't always reliable.
Why Google’s AI Overviews gets things wrong
Google’s new AI search feature is a mess. So why is it telling us to eat rocks and gluey pizza, and can it be fixed?
Unfortunately, AI systems are inherently unreliable. Within days of AI Overviews’ release in the US, users were sharing examples of responses that were strange at best. It suggested that users add glue to pizza or eat at least one small rock a day, and that former US president Andrew Johnson earned university degrees between 1947 and 2012, despite dying in 1875.
Here's some more reliable information:
Every single one of the nation's 10 most popular fruits-including apples, table grapes, strawberries and oranges-must be picked by hand. The same applies to seven of the top 10 vegetables we eat. (See "How Labor Shortages Could Impact Your Plate" below) Without human harvesters, the vegetable sections of supermarkets would offer only potatoes, carrots, leaf lettuce and salad mix. There would be no tomatoes, onions, head lettuce, bell peppers or cucumbers. And that's just to name a few.
Fruits and vegetables like artichokes, kiwi, peppers, table grapes, pumpkins and lettuce are hand harvested. In the case of kiwis, they are quite literally hand harvested – meaning workers use nothing but their hands to harvest kiwi from the vine!
Vegetables like artichokes and lettuce require the use of special cutting tools. This type of labor involves a fair amount of skill. If this step isn’t executed correctly, it can damage the plant and impact future production.
Nuts, prunes, and DOV raisins are just a few examples of crops that are machine harvested. A harvester drives between the rows, and shakes the trees (or vines) so the fruit or nuts fall from the tree. The fruit or nuts are collected onto conveyor belts that transport the produce into bins that are strapped onto the harvester.
When the bins are full, they are loaded onto a truck and transported to either a processing facility or cold storage (depending on the crop). Sweetpotatoes and other commercially grown root vegetables are also typically machine harvested.
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Then you should have know that delicate fruits and vegetables have to be harvested by hand and that many of these are grown year round in warmer growing zones in the US.
Let's take a look at that lettuce you buy in February:
An estimated 85 percent of the lettuce available for consumption in the United States was produced domestically in 2022. While production of lettuce occurs year-round, areas of production shift with the growing seasons. From mid-November through early April, most lettuce sold in the United States is sourced from the irrigated desert valleys of Southern California’s Imperial County and the Yuma area of Arizona.
Arizona
Heaviest Peak: May – July; December
Predominant Crop: Lettuce
Arizona is known for its plentiful sunshine and arid climate, making it a great state to grow leafy vegetables all year long. It produces lettuce in the largest capacity, followed by melons, spinach and cauliflower. Inverse to most of the agricultural belt states, Arizona’s peak crop production happens when much of the rest of the country is cold. This is when the temperatures are most moderate in the state and conditions are best for growing. Produce-influenced rate and capacity fluctuations begin in spring, carry through to mid-summer and pick up momentum again in December.
One of the blogs is put out by the state of California. If you've ever driven through a region of the country where produce is grown you will see for yourself how many workers are in the fields. In my home state of North Carolina, cabbage, tomatoes, and squash are some of the main crops grown and if you drive through the eastern part of the state in the summer and early fall, you will see dozens of workers in each of the fields you pass and this goes on for miles and miles.
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If it costs more to harvest using legal labor, so be it. Just like I can buy stolen goods cheaper than legal goods. That doesn't make illegal goods legitimate. We as consumers should pay the true cost of the products we use.
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Name what can't be harvested by machine.
I lived in the San Juaquin Valley (considered the most productive agricultural region in the world) and even worked in and next to growing fields. I saw machines doing field work and the air was often hazy because of it. What I don't recall seeing is people with baskets out in the fields.
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Please tell me that this hasn't come as a surprise to you. Please tell me that you had no idea how Trump's idea, if enacted to it's fullest extent, would affect, for example, what you pay for fruit and veg.
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I am FULLY aware. Nevertheless, illegal immigrants ought not be here in the USA and companies ought not hire illegal immigrants.
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So if you have two stores, one selling produce where immigrant labour is being used to harvest the crops and in another it's done by anyone except immigrants at whatever wage they need to be paid then you'll choose the more expensive option.
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This seems mainly to be a strategy to appeal to conservatives by telling them if it goes through, it will affect their pocketbook. Because usually in my experience, liberals don't seem to care about the economy and chide conservatives for caring about it when it comes to how much negative impact their pet causes will have on it.
And it really doesn't seem to make sense that it's liberals who are campaigning so hard for illegal quasi-slave labor for the sake of the economy.
And it really doesn't seem to make sense that it's liberals who are campaigning so hard for illegal quasi-slave labor for the sake of the economy.
It's really strange to me that it's the same group that is trying to get everyone a living wage or raising the minimum wage is rhe same group claiming we need illegal immigrants so we don't have to pay them very much.
The hypocrisy is astounding.
The hypocrisy is astounding.
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The extreme contradiction on stances just doesn't add up at all. Except for the conclusion that illegals are the backbone of democratic voting.
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The asylum seekers and the refugees. He;s been quite specific about that and did nothing serious about the others during his administration.. Asylum seekers with criminal records first, of course..
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