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And the Democratic President used the FBI to spy on Dr. King also.
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I would be deeply surprised if any whistle blowers actually said anything to anyone. Political bias isn't a crime. The FBI is directed by the Executive Branch.
If they are investigating political opponents and ignoring the crimes of those in office...it's not hard to tell where the bias is.
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The Democratic Party points to the split on the right side of the aisle because they literally have no identity, no clear agenda, no values to identify with.
The Democratic Party ran on "have you seen the other guys?" as their motto in the last midterms. They ran on "we aren't Trump" for the presidency. Now that they're in office and have no real excuses for their multiple failures....they are dragging political opponents to the media stage so they can once again identify as "not them".
It's foolish, dangerous, and a symptom of the larger problems.
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I don’t see how what you wrote has anything to do with what I said.
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That's fair. It's not obvious.
You made a statement about indicators of voter enthusiasm.
I disagree. I think it's increasingly difficult to find any enthusiasm for the left. That's why the left really only defines itself as opposed to the right.
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Enthusiasm is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is who actually casts their ballot. And for the 2020 presidential election the people who cast their ballot meant Trump lost in a “landslide” (Trump’s own word describing a 306-232 margin).
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Uh huh.
Right...something that tends to involve enthusiasm for a particular outcome.
2020 was unusual for a lot of reasons....a lot of enthusiasm for both candidates. A large turnout for both candidates. A win for the left by a significantly smaller margin than they expected.
And they ran on moderation. True, Joe rarely gave an appearance or made a speech....but that was the thrust. Sensible, middle of the road, reach across the aisle politics. Compromise. A return to normalcy.
I don't see much of even an attempt at that from his first 2 years. Instead, the left constantly seems to want to rewrite the rules. Let's eliminate the filibuster. Let's stack the SCOTUS. Let's go after political opponents for the exact same thing we'd never hold ourselves accountable for.
And that's the short list.
It doesn't indicate any desire to reach across the aisle....to compromise....and frankly, I don't know how to hold Joe accountable. It doesn't appear he's making these decisions. If he isn't....then there's no accountability.
I think there's less enthusiasm on the left for Joe than there was for Hillary.
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Uh huh....
Authoritarianland.
You know what the funniest criticism of Trump has been? He's a populist.
Do you know what a populist is?
a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.
I mean....how dare he. Trying to appeal to ordinary people? The madness of it.
Populism, Republicans, and Trump
I only pulled that in case you doubted it. There's dozens of articles in left wing rags calling him a dangerous populist.
It's such an odd criticism that it gives away the game a bit. They know you can't spot a Marxist if they actually identify themselves as one to your face. They know you don't have any clue what a populist is. I just watched a bunch of left wing posters struggle to understand the role of the president in the Executive Branch. I don't think they even get it now.
How are you going to possibly spot authoritarianism? You could literally be voting for it....you wouldn't know.
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This seems an odd defense, since it tends to be Populists that lead to Fascism. In the meantime, the Republicans have been using the "Marxist" and "Communist" fears for most of my life, and even before (going all the way back to Sen. McCarthy).
If you look, there are some common themes between what Mussolini and Hitler did and what Trump does, though there are some that Trump doesn't do -- and many would say that Trump is far less "facist" than narcissism.
At the same time, I don't see much "Marxist" among Democrats. Sure, there are some, just as there are fascist Republicans. By and large, though, the "Marxism" in the Democratic Party is what we here tend to call "Democratic Socialism" as followed by various European countries -- which in truth is capitalism with strong social safety nets and worker protections/benefits.
To be honest, both parties would be authoritarian, if they could -- it largely goes back to the old adage about how power corrupts. Though, to keep this from going further off topic, that would seem to be something for another thread.
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Update:
One of the people named in Grassley's letter about "deeply rooted political infection" was Timothy Thibault.
The U.S. Office of Special Counsel determined a former FBI official violated the Hatch Act by retweeting one post from the Lincoln Project.
One of the people named in Grassley's letter about "deeply rooted political infection" was Timothy Thibault.
The U.S. Office of Special Counsel determined a former FBI official violated the Hatch Act by retweeting one post from the Lincoln Project.
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And their apparatus also drafted black citizens at a higher proportion than whites during the Vietnam War.
Military history of African Americans in the Vietnam War - Wikipedia
Thought this thread was current.
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