What do you want for America?

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

that you love your partner...

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I didn't make that claim here...but regardless, that claim has been proven. And is completely irrelevant to this topic.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

WHAT FACTS exist?

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Whatever the facts are regarding President Biden's mental state, they are not known by you. Presumably, Kamala Harris does know them, since she interacts with him on a daily basis, so if she says he's fit for office, that's not an opinion you have any basis to call false. Unless you can prove her statements false, that is. Can you?

You can disagree with her assessment, of course, but since you don't interact with the President, your opinion has no weight behind it.

-- A2SG, and that's the truthhhhpppttt....

A2SG said:

I didn't make that claim here...but regardless, that claim has been proven. And is completely irrelevant to this topic.


Whatever the facts are regarding President Biden's mental state, they are not known by you. Presumably, Kamala Harris does know them, since she interacts with him on a daily basis, so if she says he's fit for office, that's not an opinion you have any basis to call false. Unless you can prove her statements false, that is. Can you?

You can disagree with her assessment, of course, but since you don't interact with the President, your opinion has no weight behind it.

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Ah only on YOUR terms I see LOL! It has NOT been proven. It IS relevant here. Direct comparison of what you claimed. LOL, I know the sky is blue, I don't need to prove it. Mine and 100000s of other American's and news organization's opinions DO have weight behind them...and we all spoke on Nov 5th THAT is the truth. Sorry, not sorry. But you already knew that

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Ah only on YOUR terms I see LOL!

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Not my terms at all. You said:

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Were YOU OK with Harris and the left lying about Biden's mental decline?

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And I simply asked if you could prove that she did, in fact lie.

You don't know Biden's mental state. Harris does. If you want to say she's lying, the burden of proof is on you.

On the other hand, if you simply want to assume she's lying, that's your business. Then it would simply be an uninformed, baseless opinion. But you didn't state it that way, you stated that Harris was lying as if it were a fact that could be proven.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

It has NOT been proven. It IS relevant here.

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That Harris lied has not been proven, and it is relevant. Whether or not I love my wife is not relevant to this topic...but it has been proven. Just not to you. Then again, I never made any claims about my relationship with my wife. You asked a question, I answered it. If you want confirmation, then I'm sorry, but you're not gonna get it. My wife doesn't participate on this board, and she has no interest in doing so.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Direct comparison of what you claimed.

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No, because I never made any claims about my wife.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

LOL, I know the sky is blue, I don't need to prove it.

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You can look at the sky. Can you look at Harris and prove she's lying about President Biden's mental state?

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Mine and 100000s of other American's and news organization's opinions DO have weight behind them...and we all spoke on Nov 5th THAT is the truth. Sorry, not sorry. But you already knew that

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Sorry, but people voting in large numbers doesn't say anything about whether or not Harris was lying about Biden's mental state. It only says that a bunch of people voted for Donald Trump. Whether or not they voted based on Kamala Harris' honesty isn't something we can determine.

But I will admit, it is a verifiable fact that 51% of Americans voted for Donald Trump, which means he is currently the President Elect. That's the only fact in evidence here.

-- A2SG, an unfortunate fact, granted...but a fact nevertheless.....

A2SG said:

On the other hand, if you simply want to assume she's lying, that's your business. Then it would simply be an uninformed, baseless opinion.

But I will admit, it is a verifiable fact that 51% of Americans voted for Donald Trump, which means he is currently the President Elect. That's the only fact in evidence here.

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It would be uninformed and baseless if I were the only one that held it...but I am not...not even close lol! So the majority opinion (since Trump DID win and we can assume that was a factor) is that she did in fact hide his mental deficiencies from the public. That was my point...but you already knew that.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

It would be uninformed and baseless if I were the only one that held it...but I am not...not even close lol!

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If two people believe something that's uninformed and baseless, it's still uninformed and baseless if a million people believe it. If an opinion isn't based on actual facts or knowledge, then it's baseless...no matter how many people believe it.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

So the majority opinion (since Trump DID win and we can assume that was a factor) is that she did in fact hide his mental deficiencies from the public.

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No, the majority opinion of American voters is that they chose Donald Trump to be President. Any conclusions about why they decided to vote for him would be based on nothing more than assumptions and speculation.

Similarly, regarding President Biden's mental state, as far as I know, none of us on this board have any direct contact with the President, sufficient to judge his mental state (even if we were qualified neurologists with experience in that area). Any conclusions about his mental state would also be based on nothing but assumptions and speculation.

In other words, nothing. Baseless. Personally, I prefer facts.

Here's one fact we do know: the 25th Amendment of the Constitution, section 4 states:

One other fact we know: neither Vice President Harris nor a majority of principal officers have done this.

Now, as to why this has not happened, we can only assume and speculate. You choose to assume Harris knows the President is unable to discharge his duties as President, but has lied and chosen not to fulfill her constitutional duty. One could just as easily assume she does not, in fact, believe the President is unable to discharge his duties as President, which would explain why she hasn't so informed the Speaker and President pro tempore. I'll bet, with a little imagination, one could come up with even more assumptions, if you wanted to.

When you asked if I was okay with Harris lying, you were assuming she did, in fact, lie. I have not made that same assumption. If you want me to accept your assumption as if it were a claim of fact, then you'd have to provide proof that Harris, in fact, lied. That, you haven't done.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

That was my point...but you already knew that.

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I'm fully aware of what your point was. Have you seen mine yet?

-- A2SG, I've tried my best to explain it.....

What do I want for America?

That her citizens respect and acknowledge:

1. U.S. Constitution as the social contract that binds us together as Americans
2. Balance of power between the three branches of government
3. Everyone has freedom of religion, regardless of who you worship...or not
4. Everyone has right to love and marry whom they please. The government has no business in our bedrooms.
5. Reform our Electoral system : a) Publicly-financed campaigns only b) Reduce the influence of Corporations (reverse Citizens United) c) Abolish the Electorial College d) Have party primaries in all 50 states on the same day

I am, and am not terribly far from you.

seeking.IAM said:

"You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one..." John Lennon

• Decrease defense spending

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Increase manufacturing and build up both our arsenal and the speed with which we can manufacture, but stop using them.

Probably will pick up some, but hopefully not too much.

seeking.IAM said:

• Universal health care

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Can't go here, too expensive and too much national debt already.

It's better to take the "Make America Healthy Again" approach and have less dependency on Doctors, therefore, less overall spending.

It's the best approach but it will take some time.

seeking.IAM said:

• Term limits

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There's a push for this on the right, but I don't know if it will gain traction

I haven't taken a hard position either way yet.

seeking.IAM said:

• A culture of respect, honor, & value of human life.

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Be great

seeking.IAM said:

• Valuing school children more than guns

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You can't remove people's 2A rights in this country, but we can increase awareness and gun safety.

seeking.IAM said:

• Realizing that tariffs are paid by the consumer, not foreign producers

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They are also a tool of protection against countries like China who use slave labor to make cheaper products

When they artificially undercut the legitimate market it causes American businesses that manufacture to a high moral standard to suffer, if not put them out of business.

The government is to promote trade, but also to protect American businesses and American jobs.

Yes, you might be spending more on the next toaster, but people with decent jobs will be able to buy them.

Also, tarrifs are also a tool to bring countries to the negotiating table in order to get good trade deals going.

Tarrifs have uses. They aren't the boogie man.

seeking.IAM said:

• Decrease price escalation of goods and services

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Thats caused by printing so much money - our debt load. We need to severely cut spending but we have to cut it the right way.

That's prayerfully what DOGE will do and do well so that we don't have to borrow just to keep our heads above water.

seeking.IAM said:

• Preserve social security

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Definitely working on saving that.

This administration has been raiding every cookie jar they can so it's going to be a challenge but I'm sure we can save it.

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• Simplify tax code
• Flat tax

I have no reason to be optimistic.

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Definitely for both of these things.

We aren't that far apart.

Hazelelponi said:

Can't go here, too expensive and too much national debt already.

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Universal health care is attainable. It is a matter of spending priorities. If other developed countries can do it, so can we. We merely need to spend less elsewhere. Consider now how much the average American worker pays for health insurance with a 6,000 deductible. The healthy ones pay an insurance company thousands of dollars a year that they never use because they don't ever use up their deductible. What if all that money went somewhere else? We don't have universal health care because insurance companies have too much money and spend in on Capital Hill; insurance companies won't allow it. And, we have to feed a defense budget that dwarfs every other country's on the planet. And foreign aid we spend around the globe. Reinvest in the United States.

Hazelelponi said:

They are also a tool of protection against countries like China who use slave labor to make cheaper products

When they artificially undercut the legitimate market it causes American businesses that manufacture to a high moral standard to suffer, if not put them out of business.

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We have goods made in China that are not made here. It is not our job to regulate the Chinese work force, or any nation's labor force or wage for that matter. Let's take care of home. For one, I would rather have China as an economic partner than make of them an enemy. (But we must have enemies in order to feed the military industrial complex - jobs!) Secondly, making goods in America where every worker feels entitled to have an expensive house in the suburbs, two of the latest model cars, a $1000 cell phone in their pocket and their union to fight for it, will only cause the cost of goods to go up.

wing2000 said:

What do I want for America?

That her citizens respect and acknowledge:
Everyone has right to love and marry whom they please. The government has no business in our bedrooms.

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Does a 50 year old man have the right to love and marry a 12 year old?

A2SG said:

If two people believe something that's uninformed and baseless, it's still uninformed and baseless if a million people believe it. If an opinion isn't based on actual facts or knowledge, then it's baseless...no matter how many people believe it.

No, the majority opinion of American voters is that they chose Donald Trump to be President. Any conclusions about why they decided to vote for him would be based on nothing more than assumptions and speculation.

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There were many in Congress and others who HAVE had interactions with Biden and believed the same thing. So what you are saying is baseless and uninformed. And yes, that was likely one of the reasons Harris lost...her lying...keep pretending and defending the obvious and you all will keep loosing elections which is fine by me.

"They say his advancing age, questions over his mental acuity and deep unpopularity put Democrats at a sharp disadvantage."

The Washington Post says "Harris’ coverup of Biden’s cognitive decline part of why Democrats lost. The credibility problems that Ms. Harris’s repeated defense of Mr. Biden’s sharpness illustrated were part of the reason Democrats met defeat."​

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

There were many in Congress and others who HAVE had interactions with Biden and believed the same thing.

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Who are these people and exactly what did they say about Biden's mental state?

Let's not be vague. Be specific!

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

So what you are saying is baseless and uninformed.

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If you think anything I've said is baseless or uninformed, feel free to ask me to clarify. I think I've been very clear and specific about when I'm using facts and when I'm just offering an opinion, but I'm more than willing to explain myself if you're unclear on my meaning.

Just ask. I promise, I won't bite.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

And yes, that was likely one of the reasons Harris lost...her lying...keep pretending and defending the obvious and you all will keep loosing elections which is fine by me.

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There you go again, asserting stuff without any way of knowing if it is, in fact, true. I thought I was clear about that: you have no idea what Vice President Harris knows about President Biden's mental state, or whether or not she's being truthful when she says something about it. Any opinions given about it are not based on fact, but on assumptions and speculation. In other words, nothing.

Now, you're free to believe anything you like about why more Americans voted for Trump than Harris, but that belief is just you making assumptions and speculating about the motivations of people you don't know and have never met. So if you expect your opinions to convince me of anything, you'll need more than that.

Oh, and just so we're clear here, I'm not pretending or defending anything. I have made no comment, speculative or otherwise, about what knowledge Vice President Harris has, nor have I made any assumptions about President Biden's mental state.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

"They say his advancing age, questions over his mental acuity and deep unpopularity put Democrats at a sharp disadvantage."

The Washington Post says "Harris’ coverup of Biden’s cognitive decline part of why Democrats lost. The credibility problems that Ms. Harris’s repeated defense of Mr. Biden’s sharpness illustrated were part of the reason Democrats met defeat."​

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The opinion of whoever wrote that is noted, and given exactly as much credence as it deserves.

-- A2SG, but tell them to say Hi to Woodward and Bernstein, if they're still hanging around the newsroom.....

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Does a 50 year old man have the right to love and marry a 12 year old?

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No. As a society, we agree that is and should continue to be illegal.

What do you want for America?

wing2000 said:

No. As a society, we agree that is and should continue to be illegal.

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Good, because from what you wrote, one could imply you meant that would be possible...

A2SG said:

Who are these people and exactly what did they say about Biden's mental state? There you go again, asserting stuff without any way of knowing if it is, in fact, true. So if you expect your opinions to convince me of anything, you'll need more than that.

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I will just say the same thing to everything you say from now on.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

I will just say the same thing to everything you say from now on.

Pollster Nate Silver calls on Biden to resign after claiming he isn’t ‘competent’: ‘Let Harris serve’

The FiveThirtyEight founder questioned the 82-year-old commander and chief’s ability to serve in light of a six-day foreign trip to Peru and Brazil — for the G-20 summit — during which Biden dodged…

nypost.com

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Then maybe Nate Silver should invoke the 25th Amendment.

Wait, only the Vice President can do that. Oh well.

-- A2SG, but his opinion is also noted....