Actress leaving the dystopian USA

She's 100 percent right.

BCP1928 said:

That's not what she said about why she is leaving

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It's what you indicated.

It's why I asked.

IceJad said:

That makes it even worse. She hates the people who didn't vote the way she wanted. Trump is the outcome by the people. The people wanted him to run the country. Her kind of public self flagellation only add to the divisiveness of society.

To me these Hollywood socialites and elites are not worth the words that they speak. If every single one of them leave the US, business will not grind to a halt and neither will society. Look at the US movie industry for the last 4-6 years. Bomb after bomb in the box office. People are just sick of Hollywood and their waste products.

If she wants to go just go gracefully. She has enough money to live like a queen anywhere on earth. Everyday Joe and Jane need to rebuild their lives and future. And I pray by the grace of God those who are struggling to have success.

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I must have missed the part where she stated she hates Trump voters. All I read was that she is upset that Trump will be in office. If she hates anything it seems it would be Trump policies.

RoBo1988 said:

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Leaving because of Trump, of course.
Ms Longoria says she's "privileged"
Perhaps she could deny her privilege, and lead others out like Moses did? " Let her people go!"

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I don't know whats going on in most western nations like the US. It like a form of self flagellation that people want to reject and punish their own nation and culture.

We seen this with how people and especially students were tearing down statues of Washington and Franklin and other western icons. How they constantly from the west as supremicists and priveledged.

If you attack your own national identity then you have no identity. That may be the problem that there is not clear united national identity.

But certainly attacking the history and making it all about race and gender and ideology and not understanding and appreciating the nuance of what happened. Every nation has their problems but it seems the west is singled out.

I mean western nations is where everyone wants to come because it represents freedom and democracy and respect for humans. Why would people then attack the very nation they and their parents came to for a better life.

Let people who are not happy go back to the life they wanted to escape from so they can appreciate what they have. Look at the Middle east, theres conflicts in Europe with mass immigration and violence. Go to Russia, China or North Korea.

Today western nations are a mix of people but that doesn't mean we reject the history because this is where we come from which makes up a big part of who we are. Attacking your own nation and culture is like attacking yourself.

Rich person retires in home country where her money will make her even richer.

stevevw said:

I don't know whats going on in most western nations like the US. It like a form of self flagellation that people want to reject and punich their own nation and culture.

We seen this with how people and especially students were tearing down statues of Washington and Franklin and other western icons. How they constantly from the west as supremicists and priveledged.

If you attack your own national identity then you have no identity. That may be the problem that there is not clear united national identity.

But certainly attacking the history and making it all about race and gender and ideology and not understanding and appreciating the nuance of what happened. Every nation has their problems but it seems the west is singled out.

I mean western nations is where everyone wants to come because it represents freedom and democracy and respect for humans. Why would people then attack the very nation they and their parents came to for a better life.

Let people who are not happy go back to the life they wanted to escape from so they can appreciate what they have. Look at the Middle east, theres conflicts in Europe with mass immigration and violence. Go to Russia, China or North Korea.

Today western nations are a mix of people but that doesn't mean we reject the history because this is where we come from which makes up a big part of who we are. Attacking your own nation and culture is like attacking yourself.

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Without a desire to get to deep into it, I would posit that this position (and I know this will get eye rolls) is feom a position of privilege.

There are a lot of people in America who are not treated well by their society and culture; historically especially. Suggesting that there is no space for grievance pushes ot.

Like how post ww2 black soldiers from the south did not get anybody the same benefits afforded their white colleagues by the GI Bill to say nothing of the on ground, in culture racism they experienced on the daily. Its absurd to suggest they shouldn’t complain.


That's just erasing history and I'm pretty sure there's famous quotes about that.


If we think about countries where they don't critically self reflect, what does that list look like. China, Japan, north Korea. Russia.

It's not a flattering list

rambot said:

Rich person retires in home country where her money will make her even richer.

Without a desire to get to deep into it, I would posit that this position (and I know this will get eye rolls) is feom a position of privilege.

There are a lot of people in America who are not treated well by their society and culture; historically especially. Suggesting that there is no space for grievance pushes ot.

Like how post ww2 black soldiers from the south did not get anybody the same benefits afforded their white colleagues by the GI Bill to say nothing of the on ground, in culture racism they experienced on the daily. Its absurd to suggest they shouldn’t complain.


That's just erasing history and I'm pretty sure there's famous quotes about that.


If we think about countries where they don't critically self reflect, what does that list look like. China, Japan, north Korea. Russia.

It's not a flattering list

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The beauty of the west is that its free. Well usually free. Thats the principle that anyone regardless of race or any identity group should be able to speak freely and not have that view denied.

Now western nations are not perfect by any means. But neither is any nation. The difference is that in western nations the principles of freedoms should win out because thats the way it was designed in the beginning. A truth principle that was determined from the experiences of fighting for independence to be a nation.

I think this has gradually been achieved but it is being lost through identity politics.

I don't think dwelling on past generations like present generations owe something or are like their ancestors helps. There is a couple of hundred years of experiences, civil rights and wars which have changed peoples awareness.

We should hear the voices of minorities and include their experiences. But if we are to move forward as united and the same then we should not limit those voices to certain groups because all humans can be disadvantaged. Focusing on certain groups is the very definition of descrimination and not treating people the same.

But I also think its about how those voices are heard and how we support them. The current identity politics appraoch is divisive. Society in general has lost its moral compass. Theres a lot of chaos as a result of poor policy. Money and corruption are factors. Its not as simple as all problems equal race and gender or whatever identity.

We have actually move away from the core principles we built free nations on such as being Made in Gods image. Which makes the individual of greatest worth and dignity and not the group. Identity politics has taken that away. But if the individual is soverign then no matter who you are your worth it. It takes all the politics out.

stevevw said:

The beauty of the west is that its free. Well usually free. Thats the principle that anyone regardless of race or any identity group should be able to speak freely and not have that view denied.

Now western nations are not perfect by any means. But neither is any nation. The difference is that in western nations the principles of freedoms should win out because thats the way it was designed in the beginning. A truth principle that was determined from the experiences of fighting for independence to be a nation.

I think this has gradually been achieved but it is being lost through identity politics.

I don't think dwelling on past generations like present generations owe something or are like their ancestors helps. There is a couple of hundred years of experiences, civil rights and wars which have changed peoples awareness.

We should hear the voices of minorities and include their experiences. But if we are to move forward as united and the same then we should not limit those voices to certain groups because all humans can be disadvantaged. Focusing on certain groups is the very definition of descrimination and not treating people the same.

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my bolding.
Individually yes, we can all be disadvantaged....and for many different reasons. I can't argue the opposite. But saying that someone with ADHD experiences the same kind of impact from that disadvantage culturally as, say a poor black single mom, it beyond misguided.
I get bothered by people who equate suffering across the board as being equal because it's suffering.
My brother (an accountant) told me once that "yes. Everyone has stress on their job. Everyone's job can be hard". He said after I told my family the story of the teenager who sliced her arms up in front of me, sprayed blood on the bathroom walls and then wailed and moaned while I tried to wrestle the piece of glass away from her.

THAT attitude is poison to actual, true, distinct, and measurable disadvantage/suffering.

stevevw said:

But I also think its about how those voices are heard and how we support them. The current identity politics appraoch is divisive. Society in general has lost its moral compass. Theres a lot of chaos as a result of poor policy. Money and corruption are factors. Its not as simple as all problems equal race and gender or whatever identity.

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Nobody should think "we need to go backward to move forward, that's the only way to solve the problem of the suffering of disadvantaged groups in the US". And I don't think it's a concidence that I NEVER hear disadvantaged people say that.

stevevw said:

We have actually move away from the core principles we built free nations on such as being Made in Gods image. Which makes the individual of greatest worth and dignity and not the group. Identity politics has taken that away. But if the individual is soverign then no matter who you are your worth it. It takes all the politics out.

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If only all humans treated each other with the dignity that God put into us. Sadly, a measurable amount of Americans believe that some humans are not quite as worthy of that dignity.

It's not identity politics that took that away.

rambot said:

my bolding.
Individually yes, we can all be disadvantaged....and for many different reasons. I can't argue the opposite. But saying that someone with ADHD experiences the same kind of impact from that disadvantage culturally as, say a poor black single mom, it beyond misguided.
I get bothered by people who equate suffering across the board as being equal because it's suffering.
My brother (an accountant) told me once that "yes. Everyone has stress on their job. Everyone's job can be hard". He said after I told my family the story of the teenager who sliced her arms up in front of me, sprayed blood on the bathroom walls and then wailed and moaned while I tried to wrestle the piece of glass away from her.

THAT attitude is poison to actual, true, distinct, and measurable disadvantage/suffering.

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Actually seeing humans as individual covers all by the fact its individual and not because of being a black single mum, a kid with ADHD or a adolescent female self harming. Thats because we see every aspect of that individuals life and not the category we label them with is included.

When we label people it becomes the black mother is poor because she is black rather than a raft of individual factors. We can turn this on its head. The white person who became fincial wealthy did so because they were priviledged and not through hard work. It labels the person by the group. Thus no one sees the sacrifice and hard work and even that the person overcame disadvantage to become financially well off.

Under identity politics individuals are not seen as individuals but by the identity they are labelled with. Under intersectionality you could break down the differences like race, gender, sex, class, looks, education, intelligence, physical strength, emotional strength, ect ect ect. We can find advantages and disadvantages for each and every group if we want.

But it gets to the point where we divide people us so much that we end up back at the individual being the only thing that makes any sense in ho0w we should see and treat people. That is exactlt what the forefathers of free nations realised. Now we are undoing all that.

rambot said:

Nobody should think "we need to go backward to move forward, that's the only way to solve the problem of the suffering of disadvantaged groups in the US". And I don't think it's a concidence that I NEVER hear disadvantaged people say that.

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We already have the solution and we recognised that from the beginning. That is we are made in Gods image. We are Gods children and divine in nature. Not measured by race, gender, sex or any identity.

The principle is humans themselves are fallible to determine human worth and we have a horrible record to show for it. Human Rights realised this by making Rights inalienable and that no one not even the most power State can deny this. It comes with just being born a human regardless of identity. It was the same principle that stopped slavery.

The follow on principle from this is 2nd greatest commandment to love our neighbours as ourselves. Christs parable of the Good Samaritan captures this in that the Samaritan was an outcast. But its also a truth principle in general such as the Golden Rule.

But unfortunately society has other ideas. I don't think secular society is designed to behave that way. But thank God for the Church and charities that work tirelessly in the background helping the disadvantaged.

rambot said:

If only all humans treated each other with the dignity that God put into us. Sadly, a measurable amount of Americans believe that some humans are not quite as worthy of that dignity.

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You must have read my mind. Or I read yours. Or rather great minds think alike lol. But I don't put this down to just racism or sexism or any specific lens you want to put for why people behave badly. It basically comes down to being a decent human being. But remember the sins of the father. As society makes themselves god they become selfish, envious, prideful, arrogant, covet people and things and seek pleasures.

There is no sacrifice of self for the other. Like the Good Samaritan where he actually gave more than he needed. The shirt off his own back. I think this idea is completely alien to modern society. Thats why I think the more we support charities and volunteering the better.

rambot said:

It's not identity politics that took that away.

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Ok what was it. I know that todays identity politics is not just made up of 'identity politics. That theres a bunch of other stuff going on. WE lve in a Postmodern society so generally peoples worldview has changed from the traditions. Things are very relative and society has lost its moral compass.

Politics is only one aspect of life. But strangle in recent times the political has become the personal. Its almost like everything has become a matter of life and death for some. Even everyday living. Its strange times.

But the reason I say identity politics is because generally its come down to who people are. When we abandon God is is outside us and above we naturally turn to self, to the creation and not the creator. So we make nature and ourselves the gods or idols to worship. I think mush of this is due to Postmodernist thinking where there is no truth or objective reality or God and reality is self rewferential.

RoBo1988 said:

John 10:12-14
They're hirelings. They are getting a payday somewhere, and flee if things get tough.

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It’s more mercurial in the middle, yes, that’s what makes it the “middle”.
Not everyone will feel compelled to “choose a side”, that’s still kosher, right?

She's welcome to start a caravan.

Hazelelponi said:

They are trying to divide the American people further. Trying their best to keep liberals away from conservatives lest they find out we aren't boogie men.

There was a CNN thing telling people they should cut family members who voted for Trump out of their lives.

This is what cults do. The left is acting like a great big cult.

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That's also what Marxists do. Fascists might do it too, at its end stages. But it's a primary feature of Marxism, which we saw in the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the Pol Pot revolution.

BCP1928 said:

What's wrong with that? "Left" and "Right" isn't about class any more, or labor v. capital, it's about the culture war. Persons of any degree of wealth or privilege may play for either side.

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In neo-Marxist Critical Theory terms, what classical Marxist called "class warfare" can be set up between any two groups you choose. It can be between white and black Americans (in Critical Race Theory) or between Europeans and everyone else ("Colonizers" versus "the Colonized") or between males and females (Radical Feminism) or between heterosexuals and LGBTQ+ (Critical Queer Theory). Any time you want to draw a line, Critical Theory is there to give you the rhetorical tools. The problem is that once you've drawn that line, Critical Theory says the two sides can never be at peace, can never come to treaty or compromise or reconciliation.

This is something the Democratic Party has swallowed whole, and even more, they're practicing multiple forms of it simultaneously. That's what we're calling "Identity Politics," but it's actually the application of multiple types of Critical Theory simultaneously. And that's not just my take on it...it's actually and directly what's being taught in the universities.

That's why we have the curious situation of homosexuals siding with Muslim Palestinians in the Israel-Gaza war. It's not anti-Semitism per se. They've got their Critical Theory hats on, seeing the Israelis as "Colonizers," as they have been taught in the university.

stevevw said:

I don't know whats going on in most western nations like the US. It like a form of self flagellation that people want to reject and punich their own nation and culture.

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There is a word for this: oikophobia.

comana said:

I must have missed the part where she stated she hates Trump voters. All I read was that she is upset that Trump will be in office. If she hates anything it seems it would be Trump policies.

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And she expressed sympathy for those who cannot leave and will be exposed to Trump's policies--which includes Trump voters, they just don't realize it yet.