State abortion initiatives (per AP)

Hammster · Nov 9, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
Removing the plank is like following Jesus's commandment to Love Your Neighbor. How many planks need to be removed or recognized in political arguments? If God places people in authority, why do we rail against the person God chose? The most comical is calling the other candidate a liar when yours does the same. Since we aren't the righteous judge, we have a hard time recognizing these planks and that's why "judge not".

How do you know when someone’s fruit is bad?

For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.
— 2 Timothy 3:2-5

How are we to avoid these types if we cannot judge them?

Hammster · Nov 9, 2024

public hermit said:
And God is the judge, not anyone else.

That sounds judgy.

Oompa Loompa · Nov 9, 2024

public hermit said:
And God is the judge, not anyone else.

Citation please.

Oompa Loompa · Nov 9, 2024

Hammster said:
How are we to avoid these types if we cannot judge them?

God gave humanity the ability to have judgement and discernment. Therefore, it is not wrong to use it to determine what is good vs. evil.

Servus · Nov 9, 2024

Like I said before. You'll mostly only get the "judge ye not" spiel from folks when you say anything about abortion or the lgbtqqip2saa+ movement.

If you say the president elect is a 'lying fascist creep' you'll never hear it.

It's just a psyche game.

Hazelelponi · Nov 10, 2024

ozso said:
Like I said before. You'll mostly only get the "judge ye not" spiel from folks when you say anything about abortion or the lgbtqqip2saa+ movement.

If you say the president elect is a 'lying fascist creep' you'll never hear it.

It's just a psyche game.

That's what doesn't make sense. They are behind some laws, even advocate for them, but when it comes to other laws 'we can't' is always the answer and it is quite selective.

It's to the point someone in this thread is advocating and promoting an actual heresy in Christendom, that God is the author of sin. It's a heresy that's so grave that it can't be promoted anywhere on the forum if I recall - but here it is being promoted.

Openly blaspheming God in order to do what? Claim abortion is fine?

I don't even know what to say anymore... I mean, I really don't.

What do we say anymore? What do you say to Christians who would blaspheme God in order to defend sin?

All it does is make me cry...

Laodicean60 · Nov 10, 2024

Hammster said:
How do you know when someone’s fruit is bad?

For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.
— 2 Timothy 3:2-5

How are we to avoid these types if we cannot judge them?

I see where you are going. We make judgments or decisions every day, and why avoid these types? I know many people who have at least one of these traits and can say I've done a few of these in my lifetime. Should I get on my soapbox and proclaim to the world that they are unloving or gossiping... and that it is wrong with God? Let's ban all these and create laws banning these actions. How can I judge there actions and then criticize them when I know myself not to be perfect? It is hypocritical. I won't cast the first stone. Also, there is no ranking system for sin I believe the bible treats all sins equally except the one of grieving the holy spirit that's why we need Jesus. In your mind, abortion is worse than stealing but to God all sins are equal.

We are supposed to go out and preach the gospel of the Lord Jesus and yet modern-day Christians preach sin and I get the sense that Christian feels they have moral authority to talk against other's sinful actions. When I was working I remember all the gossip about non-Christian coworker's bad habits and looking back we Christians were just trying to make ourselves feel good while we were shoplifting pens or a can of WD 40 here and there, a couple of screws that I needed at home...

And if any of these are in your congregation scripture has some rules. I do believe that the killing of babies is wrong I believe some of these girls know it too but it is not my business and yours why someone does what they do. Some of you lifelong Christians may have forgotten but God loved us in our sins (drug addict & alcoholic) and will wait patiently for us and I believe my daughter will be forgiven also.

I will end this because we are all set in our beliefs thus the tribal warfare. A house divided will not stand and who are the ones that are supposed to humble themselves and be peacemakers? The rights extremist laws banning abortion nationwide are no different than the Muslim religion that we attack.

Laodicean60 · Nov 10, 2024

Oompa Loompa said:
No. It wasn't. Do you belive that someone having an abortion solely for financial convenience is according to God's will? Please tell me I am mistaken.

Of course not it's not God's will. Even Christians can't be in the will of God in their thoughts and actions except Jesus. The Bible is for Christians to learn about the sinful nature but what do we do, We violate God's will and preach biblical sin principles to the whole world instead of Jesus and what He did.

Oompa Loompa said:
He said "Judge not lest ye be judged." Not don't judge. Therefore, it is right to pass judgement if you are willing to hold yourself to the same standard.

This is lovely but who can but Jesus? On judgment everything in these verses is negative it's Jesus telling them they are hypocrites. In our arrogance, we think we can do it with this sinful nature and our egos. I know I have misjudged people in my family and friends and had to apologize because of my misunderstanding. How many of you have honked and in my case have shot the bird at someone who pulls out front and yes the horn gets used? But have you ever thought from their perspective that maybe they got call from school that their child was hurt or the wife was in the hospital from a car accident but nope we just focus on the person pulling out in front of ME. So I won't live in a delusion that my decisions are righteous and Jesus says to let Him be the judge.

Matthew 7:1-5 ESV
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

RileyG · Nov 10, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
I see where you are going. We make judgments or decisions every day, and why avoid these types? I know many people who have at least one of these traits and can say I've done a few of these in my lifetime. Should I get on my soapbox and proclaim to the world that they are unloving or gossiping... and that it is wrong with God? Let's ban all these and create laws banning these actions. How can I judge there actions and then criticize them when I know myself not to be perfect? It is hypocritical. I won't cast the first stone. Also, there is no ranking system for sin I believe the bible treats all sins equally except the one of grieving the holy spirit that's why we need Jesus. In your mind, abortion is worse than stealing but to God all sins are equal.

We are supposed to go out and preach the gospel of the Lord Jesus and yet modern-day Christians preach sin and I get the sense that Christian feels they have moral authority to talk against other's sinful actions. When I was working I remember all the gossip about non-Christian coworker's bad habits and looking back we Christians were just trying to make ourselves feel good while we were shoplifting pens or a can of WD 40 here and there, a couple of screws that I needed at home...

And if any of these are in your congregation scripture has some rules. I do believe that the killing of babies is wrong I believe some of these girls know it too but it is not my business and yours why someone does what they do. Some of you lifelong Christians may have forgotten but God loved us in our sins (drug addict & alcoholic) and will wait patiently for us and I believe my daughter will be forgiven also.

I will end this because we are all set in our beliefs thus the tribal warfare. A house divided will not stand and who are the ones that are supposed to humble themselves and be peacemakers? The rights extremist laws banning abortion nationwide are no different than the Muslim religion that we attack.

I'm sorry, but I cannot wrap my head around it. Banning abortion- which many pro-lifers consider abortion (with medical emergency EXCEPTIONS) is extreme as Muslims? That makes zero sense to me.

You cannot ban gossiping or eavesdropping because of free speech.

No one is "free" to kill another human being in the name of "choice."

Peace

RileyG · Nov 10, 2024

Hazelelponi said:
That's what doesn't make sense. They are behind some laws, even advocate for them, but when it comes to other laws 'we can't' is always the answer and it is quite selective.

It's to the point someone in this thread is advocating and promoting an actual heresy in Christendom, that God is the author of sin. It's a heresy that's so grave that it can't be promoted anywhere on the forum if I recall - but here it is being promoted.

Openly blaspheming God in order to do what? Claim abortion is fine?

I don't even know what to say anymore... I mean, I really don't.

What do we say anymore? What do you say to Christians who would blaspheme God in order to defend sin?

All it does is make me cry...

Abortion is never fine. As a devout Christian, I stand by what I said.

Laodicean60 · Nov 10, 2024

RileyG said:
I'm sorry, but I cannot wrap my head around it. Banning abortion- which many pro-lifers consider abortion (with medical emergency EXCEPTIONS) is extreme as Muslims? That makes zero sense to me.

You cannot ban gossiping or eavesdropping because of free speech.

No one is "free" to kill another human being in the name of "choice."

Peace

Forcing what you think is right on others is wrong. Just like the Muslim religious laws on head covering, gays, and even abortion and how many laws are you rooting for from the Muslim religion that we bashed a few years ago? Let's take their abortion law and put it in the Constitution. There's a big stink about gays let's make it illegal. How about----> Christian Nationalism (similar to the Muslim religion, No?) I don't think we'll get to the point of beheading.

No one should be free to place judgment on people they don't know. As my daughter's father, it's none of your dang business what happens in my family's life or her decisions and this includes abortion. I'm glad my daughter doesn't come to the "Christian" forum and read, you'd run her off.

"No one is "free" to kill another human being in the name of "choice." I agree with this! but my daughter didn't go to the neighbor's house and kill another baby. She ended her creation something that was part of her and me, I am pained by it.

RileyG · Nov 10, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
Forcing what you think is right on others is wrong. Just like the Muslim religious laws on head covering, gays, and even abortion and how many laws are you rooting for from the Muslim religion that we bashed a few years ago? Let's take their abortion law and put it in the Constitution. There's a big stink about gays let's make it illegal. How about----> Christian Nationalism (similar to the Muslim religion, No?) I don't think we'll get to the point of beheading.

No one should be free to place judgment on people they don't know. As my daughter's father, it's none of your dang business what happens in my family's life or her decisions and this includes abortion. I'm glad my daughter doesn't come to the "Christian" forum and read, you'd run her off.

"No one is "free" to kill another human being in the name of "choice." I agree with this! but my daughter didn't go to the neighbor's house and kill another baby. She ended her creation something that was part of her and me, I am pained by it.

This isn't about religion or Christian nationalism. This isn't about forcing morality onto others.

It's about protecting the most innocent in their mother's womb.

I am not judging you or your daughter's experience, I only wish you peace.

God bless

Oompa Loompa · Nov 10, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
This is lovely but who can but Jesus? On judgment everything in these verses is negative it's Jesus telling them they are hypocrites.

It's easy. Show me a pedophile and I will judge all day long. In other words, I am not buying into moral relevantism because people cherry picked scripture out of context.

Laodicean60 · Nov 10, 2024

Oompa Loompa said:
Show me a pedophile and I will judge all day long.

When he is taken to court he will be judged and punished. Most in society agree and scripture. I'm not sure what moral relativism is nor do I care. But all the examples you give are crimes against others. It's ok to pre judge the pedophile because the law has judged those actions already. Looking at all the arguments over scripture here leads me to believe people have different interpretations so if you think I'm cherry-picking so be it.

Hammster · Nov 10, 2024

Laodicean60 said:
I see where you are going. We make judgments or decisions every day, and why avoid these types? I know many people who have at least one of these traits and can say I've done a few of these in my lifetime. Should I get on my soapbox and proclaim to the world that they are unloving or gossiping... and that it is wrong with God? Let's ban all these and create laws banning these actions. How can I judge there actions and then criticize them when I know myself not to be perfect? It is hypocritical. I won't cast the first stone. Also, there is no ranking system for sin I believe the bible treats all sins equally except the one of grieving the holy spirit that's why we need Jesus. In your mind, abortion is worse than stealing but to God all sins are equal.

We are supposed to go out and preach the gospel of the Lord Jesus and yet modern-day Christians preach sin and I get the sense that Christian feels they have moral authority to talk against other's sinful actions. When I was working I remember all the gossip about non-Christian coworker's bad habits and looking back we Christians were just trying to make ourselves feel good while we were shoplifting pens or a can of WD 40 here and there, a couple of screws that I needed at home...

And if any of these are in your congregation scripture has some rules. I do believe that the killing of babies is wrong I believe some of these girls know it too but it is not my business and yours why someone does what they do. Some of you lifelong Christians may have forgotten but God loved us in our sins (drug addict & alcoholic) and will wait patiently for us and I believe my daughter will be forgiven also.

I will end this because we are all set in our beliefs thus the tribal warfare. A house divided will not stand and who are the ones that are supposed to humble themselves and be peacemakers? The rights extremist laws banning abortion nationwide are no different than the Muslim religion that we attack.

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