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Prophetic Gathering on the National Mall on Yom Kippur (Livestream 10/12)

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ATTENTION: Intercessors

Jonathan Cahn has announced a special prophetic gathering on the National Mall on Yom Kippur in Washington D.C. October 12, 2024.

(That is today, beginning at 9AM Eastern)

Here is a short clip from Jonathan, explaining the significance of the event:



The event is officially called "A Million Women - An Esther Call", but both men and women will be in attendance ... as well as many pastors, and Jonathan Cahn.

From the official website:

Don't Miss This Historic Day!​

As we read in Joel 2, when there is no hope for a nation in crisis, where there is no remedy in the natural, God still has a holy prescription, “Blow the trumpet in Zion, consecrate a Solemn Assembly, call a fast, gather the peoples”. Let the Esthers, the children, and the Mordecais gather and call on the Lord on the Day of Atonement, a day that must not be missed. Who knows if you have come into the Kingdom for such a time as this?

The event will be held later today (Saturday 10/12/24) from 9AM to 7PM Eastern Time.

The event will be livestreamed on the "A Million Women" website.
Cahn is also hoping to livestream the event on his YouTube channel: "Jonathan Cahn Official"

Below is a link to the "A Million Women" website.
(To get the livestream box there, you may need to 'refresh' your page while on the homepage, for the box to pop up.)



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The event yesterday on the National Mall wasn't 'political' per se, but ... the participants in the gathering spent a significant time 'repenting', for their individual sins and the sins of America ... and praying for 'revival'.

Several of the speakers stressed the importance of the upcoming election in America, and strongly encouraged all Christians to get out and vote.

It was really great ... encouraging ... to see the many there concerned for America, and turning earnestly to God in prayer.

Last week, Jonathan Cahn released a video addressing the upcoming election. He felt it was time for him to do so. As a general rule, I don't follow his ministry closely, but I do find some things that he does to be very relevant to the times in which we are now living. Things like this:


Jonathan Cahn Speaks on Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, and The Election 2024​

The presidential election 2024 will determine the future of America. What is at stake? Are the key issues? And what confronts the people of God.

 
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Were you able to view the event?
Yes, I watched it on Jonathan Cahn's YouTube channel.

And I could barely walk away from it, though I did sometimes turn down the volume because some of the music wasn't quite my style. lol

For some reason, I was surprised this event was so good ... but I did find it to be. And it appeared very well planned.

I always find it meaningful, when many are gathered and repenting and praying together on behalf of the nation.
(And to see the White House in the backdrop behind the stage as all were praying? That I thought was very cool!)
 
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Wasn't able to see most of it but did see the breaking of the altar of ishtar. I'm glad he did it. Thank you for posting.
That's interesting. How would one get the church to relinquish Ishtar, though?
 
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That's interesting. How would one get the church to relinquish Ishtar, though?
And yours is an interesting question.

I liked the public act of breaking the altar of ishtar ... it was very symbollc.
It showed some intent, at least on the part of those present at the event, and perhaps of those watching.
'But what if nothing changes in the churches?' That is what I hear you asking.
And that's a good question.
 
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Ishtar is the 2nd most entrenched celebration in most of the church. And yes symptomatic of our dedication to other gods.
I'm just learning about these things. Cahn's book, "The Return of the Gods", really opened by eyes to what's happening.

So what you've said appears to be in line with what he sees also. If there's anything more you'd like to share on the subject, I hope that you will. (You've got an 'audience' of at least one or two of us here!)
 
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I'm just learning about these things. Cahn's book, "The Return of the Gods", really opened by eyes to what's happening.

So what you've said appears to be in line with what he sees also. If there's anything more you'd like to share on the subject, I hope that you will. (You've got an 'audience' of at least one or two of us here!)
I had read Keith Green's "Christmas Mourning," in the 1980s and it made sense to me, then the church I was part of in Jacksonville, Florida moved to Messianic, based on what the pastor saw in scripture. Constantine, in his ideological invasion of Christianity, replaced the biblical holy days with pagan holidays. The biblical holy days were a foreshadowing of Messiah, and they reveal things of the character of God that we don't understand without them. They still reveal things that have been lost to us who treat them as academic options rather then practical lessons of God. Saying that, I'm no better than anyone else at practicing them. Take the fall holy days, The sounding of trumpet calls to repentance and preparation for the presence of the Lord, (John the Baptist), then 10 days of preparation, and the day of atonement, then the celebration of God coming in the midst of us to dwell among us in our temporary dwellings. Tell me that and Passover aren't the Gospel in immersive form.

Maybe, before He comes back, Jesus, (not what He answered to when He walked the Earth, but He is being merciful), will have us tear down the alters to other gods.

Edit: Keith Green wasn't so harsh on Constantine or Christmas as I am, but as time went by my view grew to see the paganism as an issue. I still celebrate the family time of Christmas, but I'm really lukewarm about even that.
 
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I had read Keith Green's "Christmas Mourning," in the 1980s and it made sense to me, then the church I was part of in Jacksonville, Florida moved to Messianic, based on what the pastor saw in scripture. Constantine, in his ideological invasion of Christianity, replaced the biblical holy days with pagan holidays. The biblical holy days were a foreshadowing of Messiah, and they reveal things of the character of God that we don't understand without them. They still reveal things that have been lost to us who treat them as academic options rather then practical lessons of God. Saying that, I'm no better than anyone else at practicing them. Take the fall holy days, The sounding of trumpet calls to repentance and preparation for the presence of the Lord, (John the Baptist), then 10 days of preparation, and the day of atonement, then the celebration of God coming in the midst of us to dwell among us in our temporary dwellings. Tell me that and Passover aren't the Gospel in immersive form.

Maybe, before He comes back, Jesus, (not what He answered to when He walked the Earth, but He is being merciful), will have us tear down the alters to other gods.

Edit: Keith Green wasn't so harsh on Constantine or Christmas as I am, but as time went by my view grew to see the paganism as an issue. I still celebrate the family time of Christmas, but I'm really lukewarm about even that.
I only just began looking at the Jewish roots of Christianity, last year. (I happened to catch "Discovering the Jewish Jesus" on tv, and actually listened to it for a change!) I now feel I've been missing alot by having so little understanding of the Jewish roots of our faith. And a look at the Jewish fall holy days is interesting; I no longer doubt they are meaningful.

Not sure how we would tackle the tearing down of the many false gods we have in America. I suppose one could start privately, by allowing God to reveal the false gods in one's own heart, and then repenting of the idolatry.

(The Keith Green you've referred to ... do you happen to mean Keith Green 'the singer'?)
 
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Not sure how we would tackle the tearing down of the many false gods we have in America. I suppose one could start privately, by allowing God to reveal the false gods in one's own heart, and then repenting of the idolatry.

(The Keith Green you've referred to ... do you happen to mean Keith Green 'the singer'?)
I think our own idols is a great start.

Yes, that Keith Green.
 
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I had read Keith Green's "Christmas Mourning," in the 1980s and it made sense to me, then the church I was part of in Jacksonville, Florida moved to Messianic, based on what the pastor saw in scripture. Constantine, in his ideological invasion of Christianity, replaced the biblical holy days with pagan holidays.

I looked at Keith Green's "Christmas Mourning". Aside from the fact he offers no evidence or sources for his claims, it's filled with errors, some of them very basic. For example:

1) He claims Constantine made Christianity the religion of the state (false; Theodosius did that more than 40 years after Constantine's death, all Constantine did was give it legal protections and some support)
2) He claims "almost everyone" professed Christianity under Constantine's rule (false; while a lot more people became Christians due to the legal protections and increased societal acceptance, many were not)
3) He claims Saturnalia was celebrated on December 25 (false; Saturnalia was in December but occurred earlier in the month)
4) He claims Constantine set the date for Christmas on December 25 (there is no evidence I am aware of that Constantine did this)
5) He claims that in the Roman Empire there was a spring equinox festival that was the worship of the goddess of fertility (as far as I can tell, there is no evidence that the Romans had any such festival on the spring equinox)
6) He claims the Easter Bunny came from this festival (false; even if the festival did exist, the Easter Bunny is first recorded in the 17th century, far too late for this idea to work)
7) He claims that Constantine declared that the spring equinox would be the celebration of Christ's resurrection (false; this celebration (Easter) comes after the spring equinox (sometimes a full month later), and the celebration of Easter predated Constantine by centuries)

Green might've been a decent singer, but he was pretty clearly bad at historical research, and his writing should not be relied upon given all of these errors.
 
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I looked at Keith Green's "Christmas Mourning". Aside from the fact he offers no evidence or sources for his claims, it's filled with errors, some of them very basic. For example:

1) He claims Constantine made Christianity the religion of the state (false; Theodosius did that more than 40 years after Constantine's death, all Constantine did was give it legal protections and some support)
2) He claims "almost everyone" professed Christianity under Constantine's rule (false; while a lot more people became Christians due to the legal protections and increased societal acceptance, many were not)
3) He claims Saturnalia was celebrated on December 25 (false; Saturnalia was in December but occurred earlier in the month)
4) He claims Constantine set the date for Christmas on December 25 (there is no evidence I am aware of that Constantine did this)
5) He claims that in the Roman Empire there was a spring equinox festival that was the worship of the goddess of fertility (as far as I can tell, there is no evidence that the Romans had any such festival on the spring equinox)
6) He claims the Easter Bunny came from this festival (false; even if the festival did exist, the Easter Bunny is first recorded in the 17th century, far too late for this idea to work)
7) He claims that Constantine declared that the spring equinox would be the celebration of Christ's resurrection (false; this celebration (Easter) comes after the spring equinox (sometimes a full month later), and the celebration of Easter predated Constantine by centuries)

Green might've been a decent singer, but he was pretty clearly bad at historical research, and his writing should not be relied upon given all of these errors.
His research may have been faulty, but for me it opened the door to compare European based Christianity to the Bible and the two have little in common. Whether it was Constantine himself or a successor, the Church was corrupted very early by paganism and hasn't repented to this day. Christmas and Ishtar are not Christian holidays, but they are considered sacred by the Church and are in opposition to the experiential lessons God prescribed.
 
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His research may have been faulty, but for me it opened the door to compare European based Christianity to the Bible and the two have little in common. Whether it was Constantine himself or a successor, the Church was corrupted very early by paganism and hasn't repented to this day. Christmas and Ishtar are not Christian holidays, but they are considered sacred by the Church and are in opposition to the experiential lessons God prescribed.
There is no "Ishtar" holiday, unless you mean Easter, which has nothing at all to do with Ishtar at all and is absolutely a Christian holiday. A slightly more credible case can be made against Christmas, but there are big problems with claims of it being pagan as well.
 
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