What IF all Christians in America voted against the Abominations listed in Lev 18 in cases where politicians promote them?

BobRyan said:

Wouldn't it be great if all Christians could stand in opposition to what God calls abominations in Lev 18 - specifically in cases where politicians campaign very specifically on promises to promote those abominations?

God says that there is a certain class of rebellion that makes even a non-Bible-aware nation at risk of being wiped out by God Himself - as Lev 18 says regarding the Canaanites.

Wouldn't it be great for example if unrestrained baby killing seen in Lev 18:21 was not being voted for -- by any Christians in America?

Cyrus king of Persia, and the king of Babylon did some interesting things - but they were not saints by any stretch of the imagination. Still Cyrus did let Israel go out of captivity.

The Bible approves of good things being done ---- even if the one doing the good deed is not a saint.

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The way our government is structured and the way our laws are created would require constitutional amendments to achieve these things. That would mean the legislature of the Federal Government and two-thirds of the states, not to mention a sympathetic president. It is a very slow and tedious process, probably taking years to accomplish. I do not think we have that long. I believe the hand of God has been holding back the reaping of what our nation has been sowing for a matter of decades. I believe the clock has been ticking since about 1990. We are long overdue for a Lev 18 land-spewing-us-out class of judgment. I believe we have been given these years to repent and set things right. We have not. The land is sickened by the abominations that are being enacted in the cities and streets. Nature wants shed of us so it can rest and recover. When nature wants rid of you... you may as well pack your bags.... or else. God has been holding this back because of the prayers and intercession of the saints. I feel the hand of God is being lifted.

Levi 18: KJS
24. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25. And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit [any] of these abominations; [neither] any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27. (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which [were] before you, and the land is defiled
28. That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that [were] before you.

Specifically:
Lev 18:21 is not about abortions, but about human sacrifices to a pagan god.

Generally:
Leviticus is not a book for Christians. Most of it is not even applicable in modern democracies.

Christians should vote according to their conscience, according to Christian values and according to their political needs and views. And if they do not know, they do not need to vote at all.

BobRyan said:

Wouldn't it be great if all Christians could stand in opposition to what God calls abominations in Lev 18 - specifically in cases where politicians campaign very specifically on promises to promote those abominations?

God says that there is a certain class of rebellion that makes even a non-Bible-aware nation at risk of being wiped out by God Himself - as Lev 18 says regarding the Canaanites.

Wouldn't it be great for example if unrestrained baby killing seen in Lev 18:21 was not being voted for -- by any Christians in America?

Cyrus king of Persia, and the king of Babylon did some interesting things - but they were not saints by any stretch of the imagination. Still Cyrus did let Israel go out of captivity.

The Bible approves of good things being done ---- even if the one doing the good deed is not a saint.

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I think that you are referring to the Canaanite religions, that existed in the
land of Canaan before the Israelites crossed the Jordan, coming out of the
wilderness.

You need to take care, when trying to apply an example of God's judgment
(in the Bible) to other situations.

A more biblical example of a Christian response, is that of the Apostle
Paul, who did not (when he was called by God as an Apostle to the
pagans) start to agitate against abortions, or infanticide. Rather, Paul took
a much wiser and more complicated approach...

1 He supported the rule of law of the Roman Empire,
even though this law allowed abortion and infanticide.

2 He preached the core of God's Good News, which was the
arrival of a Savior from the slavery to sin, and the giver of
eternal life.

3 He enforced God's moral-ethical law on the congregations of converts,
but did not try to enforce God's moral-ethical law on pagan Romans
(see his letters to the Corinthians, on this topic).


Note, that God did not take YOUR advice with the Roman Empire,
by destroying the Empire which allowed abortion and infanticide.
Rather, God worked from within this pagan structure, and overcame
the empty pagan moral systems with the superior ME model of the
Christian congregations. (You should have mentioned THIS historical
example, in your thread.)
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Be careful, trying to push a one-issue view of the world, and this election.

Trump is NOT a pro-life candidate, and in many ways is a profligate,
lawless man, who despises the due process of law in America.

Harris is not a Christian, yet she upholds the fair rule of law in America,
which gives all Christians "freedom of religion". And the rule of law in
America does, very substantially, punish serious criminals.

The fair rule of law in America allows each state to vote on whether
abortion on demand should be legal. And THIS is much more
representation for Christians (on the issue of abortion on demand),
than they ever had under the Roman Empire.

Please, think on the example of the Apostle Paul, for a few days.

BobRyan said:

So then we have some Christians effectively voting in favor of a politician who says "well yes - God does say He will wipe out even a pagan nation for doing such and such bad thing -- but if you vote for me that is the very first thing I will do. Even though God says that even pagan nations can't get away with it"

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Some peoples' actual religion is Liberty / Liberalism. And they view universal liberal democracy as something far more sacred and salvific than anything else.