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Kamala's agenda mirrors the Democratic Socialist

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As far as I can tell, the far right are afraid of poor people having access to healthcare, public schools, unemployment benefits, etc.. They equate these things to Socialism.

It's felt first at the very bottom of the income ladder, then as the effects deepen it moves it's way up the income ladder. By the time those who are more wealthy feel the pain, it's too late for most of the poor.

Her policies are absolutely detrimental to the poor people, and it's moving it's way up now.

People are already going hungry in America. I actually feed my neighbor, the one right next door, for one week out of every month, and by then he's usually not eaten in a couple days.

Except now I don't know how I'm going to do it anymore, and keep enough food on the table. (I'll figure it out, I always do).

But this country is in trouble, and no, it wasn't like this during Trump's presidency. Don't kid yourself, your not helping the poor anymore.
 
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Sounds pretty scary to me.

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Here are the key points from the article by Merrill Matthews:

- **Labeling Kamala Harris**: Donald Trump has called Kamala Harris a communist and Marxist, but she could more accurately be called a socialist due to her policy alignment with the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA).

- **Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) Policy Positions**:
- **Deepening Democracy**: Proposes ending minority rule via the Senate and Electoral College, court packing, and term limits for justices. Harris supports ending the filibuster and court reforms.
- **Abolition of Carceral State**: Advocates for defunding the police and freeing incarcerated individuals. Harris initially supported defunding but has since moderated her stance.
- **Abolish White Supremacy**: Supports reparations, sanctuary protections, and ending environmental racism, positions Harris has endorsed or historically aligned with.
- **Powerful Labor Movement**: Promotes union rights and ending right-to-work laws, aligning with the Biden-Harris administration's pro-union stance.
- **Economic Justice**: Includes free public college, debt cancellation, and new regulations, all part of Harris's "opportunity economy."
- **Gender and Sexuality Justice**: Harris supports abortion rights and gender-affirming healthcare as does the DSA.
- **Green New Deal (GND)**: Harris was an original co-sponsor of the GND, a policy criticized for being more about social justice than environmental policy.
- **Health Justice**: Supports Bernie Sanders's Medicare for All until it became politically risky.
- **Housing for All**: Harris's policies include government housing expansion and tax credits for home buyers.
- **International Solidarity & Anti-imperialism**: While not detailed for Harris, her alignment suggests a continuation of Biden's foreign policy.

- **Harris's Consistency and Strategy**: Despite attempts to distance herself from some past positions for political gain, Harris's core values remain aligned with socialist themes, though she might not agree with every DSA detail. Her interview with CNN underscored that her values haven't shifted.

- **Conclusion**: Harris's policies closely mirror DSA's agenda, with the key difference being that DSA members openly declare their socialist beliefs, while Harris does not. This suggests a strategic political positioning rather than a fundamental disagreement with socialist ideologies.
 
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Please provide a specific list of socialist
platforms the democrats abide by.

Real ones please though. No faksies
The slippery slope to socialism does not always happen overnight but there are many things taking us in that direction. Here are a few. 1. Lawfare against political opponents , Trump, Steve Bannon, parents against submitting their children to surgical mutilation , people against the murder of babies. 2. Suppressing free speech, political, medical opinion, religious beliefs especially on the topic of baby killing and child mutilation through lawfare and social media platforms.3. Open attempts to damaged or eliminate 2nd amendment. Previous to Kamala’s current campaign she openly advocated mandatory gun buy back programs. Disarming the public is one major step in socialistic and communist rule. 4. Propagandizing through MSM.5 threats of court packing. 6. Eliminating filibuster. 7. Ignoring Supreme Court decisions
 
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That’s because Harris’s major policy proposals are almost identical to those promoted by the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA).

The DSA lists 10 policy positions under the heading “Our Platform.”

First up is “Deepening and Strengthening Democracy.” Of course, President Biden, Harris and nearly all Democrats repeatedly claim “democracy is under attack” and that Trump is a “threat to democracy.”

Is the argument really that the other major candidate is in favor of weakening democracy, you know, as a way to distance himself from the DSA? That'd be kinda weird, given his constant whining about election fraud and telling his followers to "fight like hell" about it.
 
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From the link:

The DSA says it wants to “end minority rule” by getting rid of the Senate and the Electoral College. Harris would likely settle for ending the Senate’s filibuster so bills and all presidential appointments could be decided by a majority vote.
Sounds like a pretty big difference in policy, given she's in favor of keeping the Senate rather than abolishing it. Thanks for pointing out an obvious difference between the two platforms.
 
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Sounds pretty scary to me.

Summary by Grok:

Here are the key points from the article by Merrill Matthews:

- **Labeling Kamala Harris**: Donald Trump has called Kamala Harris a communist and Marxist, but she could more accurately be called a socialist due to her policy alignment with the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA).

- **Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) Policy Positions**:
- **Deepening Democracy**: Proposes ending minority rule via the Senate and Electoral College, court packing, and term limits for justices. Harris supports ending the filibuster and court reforms.
- **Abolition of Carceral State**: Advocates for defunding the police and freeing incarcerated individuals. Harris initially supported defunding but has since moderated her stance.
- **Abolish White Supremacy**: Supports reparations, sanctuary protections, and ending environmental racism, positions Harris has endorsed or historically aligned with.
- **Powerful Labor Movement**: Promotes union rights and ending right-to-work laws, aligning with the Biden-Harris administration's pro-union stance.
- **Economic Justice**: Includes free public college, debt cancellation, and new regulations, all part of Harris's "opportunity economy."
- **Gender and Sexuality Justice**: Harris supports abortion rights and gender-affirming healthcare as does the DSA.
- **Green New Deal (GND)**: Harris was an original co-sponsor of the GND, a policy criticized for being more about social justice than environmental policy.
- **Health Justice**: Supports Bernie Sanders's Medicare for All until it became politically risky.
- **Housing for All**: Harris's policies include government housing expansion and tax credits for home buyers.
- **International Solidarity & Anti-imperialism**: While not detailed for Harris, her alignment suggests a continuation of Biden's foreign policy.

- **Harris's Consistency and Strategy**: Despite attempts to distance herself from some past positions for political gain, Harris's core values remain aligned with socialist themes, though she might not agree with every DSA detail. Her interview with CNN underscored that her values haven't shifted.

- **Conclusion**: Harris's policies closely mirror DSA's agenda, with the key difference being that DSA members openly declare their socialist beliefs, while Harris does not. This suggests a strategic political positioning rather than a fundamental disagreement with socialist ideologies.
Everyone else notice this simply takes labels used by one platform and attempts to shoehorn in vaguely related stances from a different person, all without actually explaining the specific policies included under the labels in the original platform.

Using this approach, we could take the label "Housing for All" and then list Trump's "promises" to cut building regulations, take control of the Fed, and offer tax incentives to home buyers as "evidence" that his ideas are the same as the DSA's. Both Trump and the DSA have ideas to help people with housing so they're "obviously" the same.

But that's clearly not a good approach, since I'm sure that even though all the candidates would like to make housing more affordable, their plans to do so are different. This attempt at a hit piece fails because of that.
 
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Is the argument really that the other major candidate is in favor of weakening democracy, you know, as a way to distance himself from the DSA? That'd be kinda weird, given his constant whining about election fraud and telling his followers to "fight like hell" about it.
Who is interfering in the election process? Law suits to stop removal of NON citizens from voter rolls , closing the voting line early evening when the the Governor already said if you are in line you get to vote. Trying to stop the cameras at drop boxes. Saying vote must be certified even if there is evidence of fraud, trying to stop hand counting. You tell me who it is that wants to cheat?
 
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Who is interfering in the election process?
Why ask me? My post said both candidates were in favor of strengthening the electoral process (in their own ways). Which, if we believe the flawed argument in the OP, makes them both "mirror" Democratic Socialists.
 
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Why ask me? My post said both candidates were in favor of strengthening the electoral process (in their own ways). Which, if we believe the flawed argument in the OP, makes them both "mirror" Democratic Socialists.
Because it is clear from the actions listed in my post it is the democrats that are NOT “strengthening the electoral process “ but are actively trying to subvert it.
 
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The slippery slope to socialism does not always happen overnight but there are many things taking us in that direction. Here are a few. 1. Lawfare against political opponents , Trump, Steve Bannon, parents against submitting their children to surgical mutilation , people against the murder of babies. 2. Suppressing free speech, political, medical opinion, religious beliefs especially on the topic of baby killing and child mutilation through lawfare and social media platforms.3. Open attempts to damaged or eliminate 2nd amendment. Previous to Kamala’s current campaign she openly advocated mandatory gun buy back programs. Disarming the public is one major step in socialistic and communist rule. 4. Propagandizing through MSM.5 threats of court packing. 6. Eliminating filibuster. 7. Ignoring Supreme Court decisions
QFT
 
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Remember - her values have not changed:


Harris reiterated her support for the mandatory buyback of assault weapons, joining Beto O’Rourke and fellow Sen. Cory Booker in backing the approach from the forum stage.

“We have to have a buyback program, and I support a mandatory gun buyback program,” she said. “It’s got to be smart, we got to do it the right way. But there are 5 million [assault weapons] at least, some estimate as many as 10 million, and we’re going to have to have smart public policy that’s about taking those off the streets, but doing it the right way.”
 
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The DSA’s second item is “Abolition of the Carceral State” (“carceral” refers to prison and jail time). The DSA wants to “defund the police” — where have you heard that before? — and “free all incarcerated people.” Harris supported the “defund” movement and eliminating bail for some crimes until those positions became political liabilities. Now she tries to hide her soft-on-crime policies by stressing her background as a prosecutor.
"Defund the police" is too broad a term - almost slanderous - implying the person's position is a wholesale abandonment of law and order! It's just so TRUMP-ist to accuse her of that. Forget the facts. Forget being honest. Forget gathering '2 or 3 witnesses'. It's true - because my right-wing echo chamber said so - so I'm just going to smear it all over the virtual world I live in!

Harris's position is vastly more nuanced than that - and I'm actually kind of surprised that a Prosecutor gets various social policies like this! I have a bit of a Social Sciences background - and the nuance she shows on this makes sense! She seems to be talking about the excessive militarization of police - because as the streets get harder (so the mentality goes) - the Police need to get harder. Until you have APC's and robot-cops with machine guns ready to 'Police' those ethnic neighbourhoods. (As if they have not suffered enough with previous decades of racist policies, financial prejudice against them in having the worst schools on the wrong side of the line, and 1950's 'emergency highways' built through their neighbourhoods - dislocating neighbourhoods that were just starting to function as cohesive and supportive communities!)

So what was Harris REALLY saying in answer to all of this?

“This whole movement is about rightly saying, we need to take a look at these budgets and figure out whether it reflects the right priorities,” Harris said on a New York-based radio program “Ebro in the Morning” on June 9, 2020, adding that US cities were “militarizing police” but “defunding public schools.”

Harris said in the June radio interview the movement “rightly” called out the amount of money spent on police departments instead of community services such as education, housing, and healthcare, emphasizing that more police did not equate to more public safety...​
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Mitch Landrieu, national co-chair for the Biden-Harris campaign and former mayor of New Orleans, on Friday walked back Harris’ 2020 statements, saying Harris meant that she supports being “tough and smart on crime.”​
“Her position has always been that you can both be tough and smart on crime, and it requires funding police, but it also requires funding rehabilitation and things that might criminal justice system safer. You can do both,” Landrieu told CNN’s Pamela Brown on “The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer.”​
“Our actions indicate that she wants to fund the police, but she wants to do the other things as well,” Landrieu said.​
If you're SMART about these things - instead of buying APC's to drive through scary neighbourhoods - and having those police officers so stressed and hyped up by a military locker-room mentality that they're prepared to open fire on anything that moves! - how about spending SOME of that 'militarised' budget on drug programs that will benefit the WHOLE community - making it vastly less dangerous to live in? This is just one area of social spending that could help reduce neighbourhood crime AND de-escalate the militarization of police.

END THE WAR ON DRUGS!​


The “War on Drugs” has failed.

IT CREATES CARTELS: The War on Drugs ignores the basic economics of supply and demand! By making drugs criminal (rather than a mental health policy) the illegal drugs become scarce, which drives up the price! That creates an IRRESISTABLE incentive to developing countries to grow drugs and create enormous cartels that rival some multinational corporations for sheer infrastructure!

IT INCREASES CRIME AND MURDER RATES something like 25% to 75% more! So do we militarize the police - or create harm minimising drug treatment programs instead and cut the source of this poison at the root rather than letting it spread throughout the whole society?

VASTLY INCREASES INCARCERATION: The USA has 5% of the world’s population, but 25% of the world’s inmates. Is America really 5 times more immoral than the REST OF THE WORLD - are just suffering the results of a well-meaning but ultimately failed drugs policy established decades ago - before the full effects had been analysed? Bottom line for jail costs - you’re paying for 5 TIMES MORE prisons than you should need due to the war on drugs!

RACIST OUTCOMES: While white kids are more likely to be wealthier and abuse drugs, black kids are more likely to get arrested for drug offences.

THE ANSWER? A mental health model. While not ‘legalising’ hard drugs for normalised commercial sale - we can decriminalise their use. The harm minimisation model provides “Maintenance centres” with clean versions of the drugs, safe sleeping places, reduces street crime from its most potent source, and offers counselling which gets them into employment!

DEFUND THE POLICE only to the extent that the War on Drugs has massively inflated police costs. How much does having 5 times MORE jails cost AMerica? - and pour that money into the Harm Minimisation model and my guess is with 5 times less jails - you’ll have vastly more money to pour into local educations programs for disadvantaged neighbourhoods! Then the police that do patrol those neighbourhoods might be able to focus on dealing with other real crime, rather than punishing people with a mental health issue.

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