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Fired officer in Breonna Taylor killing indicted on three counts of wanton endangerment

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It's a search warrant....not an arrest warrant.

The whole "he was already in jail" line is just misinformation. The cops went to the correct location, and they had a legal right to search it.
He was already in jail.
 
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Which isn't relevant to the search warrant executed on Taylor's residence.
I think your points are well taken as far as immunizing some of the officers for their individual actions. Except for the reckless actions of Hankison who may have actually shot his fellow officer.

The warrant itself was obtained by using false information without due consideration for the safety of the public and the officers carrying out the warrant. It was focused on the efforts to get Glover, who was already in custody. So, it may be that Walker, Taylor and several of the officers were acting lawfully. Yet a person was killed because the law enforcement process was reckless and probably violated the civil rights of Taylor and Walker.

None of this, or course, addresses why armed police officers were breaking down Breonna Taylor’s door in the middle of the night in the first place.
 
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I think your points are well taken as far as immunizing some of the officers for their individual actions. Except for the reckless actions of Hankison who may have actually shot his fellow officer.

The warrant itself was obtained by using false information without due consideration for the safety of the public and the officers carrying out the warrant. It was focused on the efforts to get Glover, who was already in custody. So, it may be that Walker, Taylor and several of the officers were acting lawfully. Yet a person was killed because the law enforcement process was reckless and probably violated the civil rights of Taylor and Walker.

None of this, or course, addresses why armed police officers were breaking down Breonna Taylor’s door in the middle of the night in the first place.

The ballistic test is irrelevant in this case because it wasn't conclusive. I don't see where anyone did an investigation in regards to the direction of travel in regards to the bullets entry. I would think that would give us an idea where the bullet came from. Regardless it a fact that Walker fired first and was justified in these circumstances in doing so. And the other officers didn't do anything wrong in serving the warrant. Hankinson was fired and appears to be facing charges which I believe was entirely appropriate under the circumstances.

It sounds like the warrant was not for Glover, but for the apartment. It is totally irrelevant that Glover was in jail as the warrant was to search the apartment for drugs and proceeds of drug sales. It wasn't to go in and sieze Glover.

As far as the no knock warrant issue is concerned I don't understand the prblem here. It was a no knock warrant, BUT it wasn't served as such. The fact that it was a no knock warrant seems to be irrelevant I'm this whole incident. No if the police had executed it as such then maybe no one would have gotten shot due to the speed of entry. Walker wouldn't have had time to get his gun.
 
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As far as the no knock warrant issue is concerned I don't understand the prblem here. It was a no knock warrant, BUT it wasn't served as such. The fact that it was a no knock warrant seems to be irrelevant I'm this whole incident. No if the police had executed it as such then maybe no one would have gotten shot due to the speed of entry. Walker wouldn't have had time to get his gun.
I think one big problem no one wants to mention is that criminals will flush drugs down the toilet when the police serve a warrant. That should be considered cheating. If they would instead just put their hands up and say "Dang, you caught me, you win this one" then the police could be a lot more polite and respectful as well.
 
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I think one big problem no one wants to mention is that criminals will flush drugs down the toilet when the police serve a warrant. That should be considered cheating. If they would instead just put their hands up and say "Dang, you caught me, you win this one" then the police could be a lot more polite and respectful as well.
That's about as likely as Trump releasing his financial records.

Well, criminals prefer not to get caught. But scales, illegal weapons and money are hard to flush. However, most criminals eventually will be caught through their own overconfidence.

It would be great if the law enforcement end would act responsibly as well. Multiple civilians and cops on the scene were placed at risk unnecessarily in this case.
 
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That's about as likely as Trump releasing his financial records.

Well, criminals prefer not to get caught. But scales, illegal weapons and money are hard to flush. However, most criminals eventually will be caught through their own overconfidence.

It would be great if the law enforcement end would act responsibly as well. Multiple civilians and cops on the scene were placed at risk unnecessarily in this case.
What if you required everyone, criminal and cop alike to only use those nerf bats. They could hit each other as hard as they like and let the best man win, but no one gets killed, no innocent bystanders get hurt?
 
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I think your points are well taken as far as immunizing some of the officers for their individual actions. Except for the reckless actions of Hankison who may have actually shot his fellow officer.

There doesn't seem to be any evidence that Hankison shot his fellow officer. The only person who we know was shooting a 9mm was Walker, her bf. There's no evidence that anyone else even had a 9mm and there's plenty of evidence that all 3 officers were shooting their issued 40 caliber pistols.

The suggestion that one of the officers shot the other is a desperate hail Mary attempt at throwing guilt on these cops.

The warrant itself was obtained by using false information without due consideration for the safety of the public and the officers carrying out the warrant.

What false information? Officers had enough evidence to reasonably suspect Taylor was a part of the drug ring.

It was focused on the efforts to get Glover, who was already in custody. So, it may be that Walker, Taylor and several of the officers were acting lawfully. Yet a person was killed because the law enforcement process was reckless and probably violated the civil rights of Taylor and Walker.

Not sure what you're saying here....they either broke the law, or they didn't. It appears that they didn't.


Easy....she appeared to be involved in a drug ring. Statements made by Glover after his arrest seem to further confirm that she was.
 
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I think one big problem no one wants to mention is that criminals will flush drugs down the toilet when the police serve a warrant. That should be considered cheating. If they would instead just put their hands up and say "Dang, you caught me, you win this one" then the police could be a lot more polite and respectful as well.

Yes that's why no knocks were allowed. If the police have to knock and wait then the drugs and evidence would be destroyed. I'm not dead set against them. But it seems that perhaps it would be better if they were served during the day instead if the middle of the night when it's more obvious who's coming through the door.
 
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Yes that's why no knocks were allowed. If the police have to knock and wait then the drugs and evidence would be destroyed. I'm not dead set against them. But it seems that perhaps it would be better if they were served during the day instead if the middle of the night when it's more obvious who's coming through the door.
They don't like during the day because someone can see them set up and warn the crooks. Usually, they like 5am as the best time.
 
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If this is true then I would agree. Now I have ZERO problems with the AG not bringing possible charges to the Grand Jury on the other officers. It's obvious according to Walker that he fired first. There is no reason to charge the other officers for anything.

The fact that he used the grand jury as a scape goat IS the problem.

And it's also a problem if they indeed said the ballistics confirmed that Walker was the shooter if the ballistics didn't confirm that. They should have said rather that the evidence CONFIRMS that Walker shot the officer due to the fact the bullet was a 9mm and the officers were using .40. And I'm also sure that the trajectory of the bullet would also confirm this.

So the AGs disingenuous and dishonesty in this should land him in trouble. The sad thing is he didn't need that. He could have gone with the facts as is and would have been just fine. Stick with you convictions and the truth and the outcome would have been the same.
 
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If this is true then I would agree. Now I have ZERO problems with the AG not bringing possible charges to the Grand Jury on the other officers. It's obvious according to Walker that he fired first. There is no reason to charge the other officers for anything.

The fact that he used the grand jury as a scape goat IS the problem.
I agree it was a spineless thing to do.

And it's also a problem if they indeed said the ballistics confirmed that Walker was the shooter if the ballistics didn't confirm that. They should have said rather that the evidence CONFIRMS that Walker shot the officer due to the fact the bullet was a 9mm and the officers were using .40. And I'm also sure that the trajectory of the bullet would also confirm this.
Maybe since he was the only one with a 9mm they felt it confirmed it even though they hadn't done the full ballistic analysis.

So the AGs disingenuous and dishonesty in this should land him in trouble. The sad thing is he didn't need that. He could have gone with the facts as is and would have been just fine. Stick with you convictions and the truth and the outcome would have been the same.
Might have been told to do that by the Mayor, so who knows, their could be more revelations to come.
 
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What if you required everyone, criminal and cop alike to only use those nerf bats. They could hit each other as hard as they like and let the best man win, but no one gets killed, no innocent bystanders get hurt?
Or, we could replace cops with straw men.
 
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Or, we could replace cops with straw men.
That could work, there is a house that has three of these out for halloween, it does make you stop and wonder if you are being watched. Like scarecrows you put them up on every corner. Now one in ten is real, so it really makes you stop. Look at us, all these great ideas!
 
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Conflicting witnesses and no body cams and a no-knock warrant that turns out to have been "optional". The feds are going to have a field day on the civil rights investigation.

Former Louisville officer convicted of violating Breonna Taylor’s rights

A former Louisville police officer was found guilty late Friday of violating Breonna Taylor’s civil rights during a March 2020 police raid in which she was fatally shot, becoming the first officer directly involvedin the case to be convicted on criminal charges.

The jury, which deliberated for three days, found Hankison not guilty on a second charge of violating the rights of three neighbors.

None of the bullets fired from Hankison’s gun struck anyone, but several penetrated the apartment walls and entered into the adjoining unit.
 
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