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Does the Holy Spirit speak through a believer when he speaks in tongues?

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No, not every time.

In 1Co, Paul did not address the phenomenon of tongues of fire that happened at the first Pentecost in Ac 2.

1Co 12:

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit;
Different believers had different gifts from the Holy Spirit:

10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.
God might bless one believer with the gift of tongues and another with the gift of interpretation. The gift stayed with the person once it was given. Some believers abused the exercise of these gifts.

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26 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up. 27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.
Paul addressed disorderly speaking in tongues without interpretation during a weekly worship service.

28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 30 If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged, 32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets.
The human spirits of the prophets are under the control of the human prophets. The Holy Spirit was not directly involved in these exercises.

I have always understood that tongues is controlled by the Holy Spirit. That is the Holy Spirit speaking through you.
That was true for the first Pentecost. After that, the Holy Spirit gave some believers the gift of tongues. The gifted humans could exercise this gift at their will.

But if tongues was from the Holy Spirit, how could people abuse it?

The gift was initially from the Holy Spirit. They could abuse it by exercising it chaotically during a weekly service.

Paul never says they are impersonating tongues.
Right.

So the holy spirit is guiding people incorrectly?
No, the Holy Spirit did not guide them in those cases:

33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.
Does the Holy Spirit speak through a believer when he speaks in tongues?

No, not when he is being disorderly in a weekly service.

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The human spirits of the prophets are under the control of the human prophets. The Holy Spirit was not directly involved in these exercises.

Not correct...

Utterances were weighed by those who had a recognised calling as a prophet, this function was critical as false prophets arose among them which could not be revealed without the discernment given by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Does the Holy Spirit speak through a believer when he speaks in tongues?

No, not when he is being disorderly in a weekly service.

Not correct.

Some were exercising a tongue for private exhortation in a public service and of course such a tongue could not be interpreted. It was still coming from the Holy Spirit but being offered in the wrong context.

This is a practice that is encouraged in some churches today - yet Paul spoke against it.
 
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Can you quote my exact words and directly contradict them? Note the bold. This is the last time I have asked.

Can other readers please confirm if I have done as requested or not...
 
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There is more than one type of Tongues. You have the Holy Spirit speaking through you in a language nobody understands. Then there is where you can speak in your own language, yet people who know other languages understand you and think you are speaking their language. Then there is where you actually speak a foreign tongue that you previously never knew.
 
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What exactly is not correct? Can you be more precise?
I think I am missing a part of this exchange. But it sounds like somebody thinks Prophesy is the Holy Spirit taking control and speaking through the person? I do not agree with this. From my reading of the Bible, I think it is more accurate to say a Prophet has been given an ear to hear that the Spirit says. The Prophet then repeats what the Spirit tells them. Often a Prophet would start by saying THIS IS WHAT THE LORD SAYS. The person is speaking and repeating what the Spirit tells then to say.
 
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