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Anything new in Jack Smith's motion for immunity determination? (Jan 6)

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I agree with the assertion that Trump knew that he lost but they don't offer any new proof for that assertion so I cannot see
it being a big deal.

Something slightly new to me on page 82 and 83 ,
"On the evening of January 6, the defendant (Trump) and CC1 (unnamed person my bet is Rudy Giuliani ) attempted to exploit the violence and chaos at the Capitol by having CC1 call Senators and attempt to get them to further delay the certification. At around 7:00 p.m., CC1 placed calls to five U.S. Senators and one U.S. Representative. CC6 attempted to confirm phone numbers for Members of Congress whom
the defendant had directed CC1 to call. In a voicemail that CC1 intended for one Senator, CC1 said, "I'm calling you because I want to discuss with you how they're trying to rush this hearing and how we need you, our Republican friends, to try to just slow it down so we can get these legislatures to get more information to you. And I know they're reconvening at eight tonight, but the only strategy we can follow is to object to numerous states and raise issues so that we can get ourselves into tomorrow-ideally until the end of tomorrow." He then asked the Senator to "object to every state" to "give us the opportunity to get the legislators who are very, very close to pulling their votes." This concession that legislatures had not yet asked to review their slates stood in contrast to CC1 and the defendant's lies at the Ellipse that they already had. Next, in a voicemail intended for another Senator, CC1 told more lies He falsely claimed that Pence's decision not to use the defendant's fraudulent electors' certificates had been surprising, and that in light of the surprise, "we could use a little time so that the state legislatures can prepare even more to come to you and say, 'Please give this back to us for a while so we can fix it."" CC1 then repeated knowingly false claims of election fraud, including that non-citizens had voted in Arizona and an outcome-determinative number of underage voters had cast ballots in Georgia.
 

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I heard it described as the prosecution's opening statement. The details are in the complete testimonies.
I imagine it will focus on things that could not by any stretch be called "official."

I would call most of it unofficial.
 
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I heard it described as the prosecution's opening statement. The details are in the complete testimonies.
I imagine it will focus on things that could not by any stretch be called "official."

I would call most of it unofficial.
I completely agree. I just spent a couple of hours reading it and if I was Trump then I'd be very seriously concerned.

If he doesn't win come November then I can see him being sent down for this.
 
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I completely agree. I just spent a couple of hours reading it and if I was Trump then I'd be very seriously concerned.

If he doesn't win come November then I can see him being sent down for this.
From your mouth to God's ear, Bradskii!
 
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It does have evidence that Trump knew that the election claims were false but this is being ignored,
It should not be ignored but it is
He lied then. He's still lying. He tried to have the a election overturned then. And people think he won't attempt it again?
 
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If he loses you can guarantee it.

Not sure how the left will do if Harris loses. But it is absolutely determines by fate that Trump will.


Unless it is an absolute blow out of him but that would go against most/all polls.

I think Michael Moore was saying something like this
 
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It does have evidence that Trump knew that the election claims were false but this is being ignored,
It should not be ignored but it is
The prosecution is not ignoring it as it goes to mens rea (actus reus being abundant).
 
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