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Modern Mysticism: Rod Dreher’s “Living in Wonder”

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Rod Dreher wants us to see into the life of things—to see the creator hidden in the creation, to see the grandeur of God and sense the “deep down things.” But the trouble with the appeal of mysticism is the perennial danger of gnosticism.
Living in Wonder: Finding Mystery and Meaning in a Secular Age, by Rod Dreher (288 pages, Zondervan, 2024)



Rod Dreher prefaces the final chapter of his new book Living in Wonder with a quotation from Karl Rahner, “The devout Christian of the future will either be a ‘mystic’ —one who has experienced ‘something’ or he will cease to be anything at all.”

As it stands, Rahner seems to be saying that personal religious experience is vital—that supernatural revelation will be necessary to the faith of future Christians. In other words, cultural Christianity won’t do. “I’m a Catholic because my grandfather was Polish” won’t wash.

But is that what Rahner is really saying? Does the final phrase hold a more troubling meaning? He predicts that the Christian who is not a mystic will “cease to be anything at all.” Does he mean the non-mystic will cease to be a Christian, or that he really will “cease to be anything at all”? If the latter, the cost of being a non-visionary would seem to be rather severe: Being devoid of mysticism would mean annihilation—being nothing at all. To extend the thought from the individual to the corporate, for us to fail as a race of mystics means the abolition of man.

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Living in Wonder: Finding Mystery and Meaning in a Secular Age, by Rod Dreher (288 pages, Zondervan, 2024)



Rod Dreher prefaces the final chapter of his new book Living in Wonder with a quotation from Karl Rahner, “The devout Christian of the future will either be a ‘mystic’ —one who has experienced ‘something’ or he will cease to be anything at all.”

As it stands, Rahner seems to be saying that personal religious experience is vital—that supernatural revelation will be necessary to the faith of future Christians. In other words, cultural Christianity won’t do. “I’m a Catholic because my grandfather was Polish” won’t wash.

But is that what Rahner is really saying? Does the final phrase hold a more troubling meaning? He predicts that the Christian who is not a mystic will “cease to be anything at all.” Does he mean the non-mystic will cease to be a Christian, or that he really will “cease to be anything at all”? If the latter, the cost of being a non-visionary would seem to be rather severe: Being devoid of mysticism would mean annihilation—being nothing at all. To extend the thought from the individual to the corporate, for us to fail as a race of mystics means the abolition of man.

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"The devout Christian of the future will either be a ‘mystic’ —one who has experienced ‘something’ or he will cease to be anything at all." It has been reported that many "devout Christians" enter the Dark Night of the Senses, but few persevere in faith in the darkness and emerge into the light. The potentially fatal alternative to perseverance in faith and then advancing to Illumination, is to attempt to return to earlier days in asceticism, and a life of "where they used to be" before the Lord drew them into the purifying darkness. That is impossible, according to an ancient truism: Those who do not advance in spiritual life cannot simply "remain where they were": they will regress, and indeed fall away from the path of ascent entirely into lifelessness, and become a stunted soul.

Perhaps that is what Rahner refers to. There is a non-fatal alternative: profound remorse and repentance and a cry to the Lord for mercy, and holy grace to once again trust God in the darkness.
 
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